Two US Navy Sailors Rape Okinawan Woman

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  1. TokyoSpirit

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    This is just unbelievable!

    There are already enough problems in Okinawa with the U.S. Military and clashes with local citizens. These attacks just keep repeating themselves over and over and not it’s just getting stupid.

    I understand that these two sailors were visiting Japan from their home station in Texas, but they must have been told about the sensitive nature of the local relationship between the U.S. Military and Japanese people.

    Certainly, it is with high hopes that they face action from the local Japanese police and the Military Police as well. Now we are going to stuck with this story on the news for the next MONTH.

    Keep it in your f-ing pants. Japanese girls are nice and there are a fair number willing to date with a service member without FORCING her. Is your game that bad guys?

    http://www.japantoday.com/category/...ilors-arrested-over-sexual-assault-in-okinawa

    http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/10/ap-two-sailors-arrested-alleged-rape-japan-101612/

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/17/world/asia/2-us-navy-sailors-arrested-in-okinawa-rape.html
     
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    Keyword: "alleged"

    While I think men raping women is horrendous, still I believe in the legal system to handle it. (civilian or military)

    Wanna hear some wild speculation?

    Japanese girl, anti-U.S. Military views, entraps these two sailors in order to bring more outrage to an already outraged public.

    Not saying that actually happened, theory or speculation only.
     
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    Don't really have the words for this. This is making news over here in the U.S. too. It's a shame that most of the public here doesn't care to pay attention to things that don't happen in their backyard.

    Glad I don't travel to Okinawa. There must be a strong stigma against Americans there.
     
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    One admitted to it.
     
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    As a result, the Commander of US Forces in Japan has mandated an 11 pm to 5 am curfew for ALL US military in all Japan. That may cut the business of many clubs and bars!
     
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    My suggestion is instead of enforcing a curfew, make Okinawa a 'dry county' for the US military. Imagine if service members had to take a breathlyzer to get back on base/board their ship, or had to submit to one randomly during shore leave.
     
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    For idiots like these two sailors, when i have been there i could not accept in any "funny" place in the area. i hate them, they are two men, if they want sex they can have sex together, because if they attack a japanese lady they are not real men...
     
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    With the new dumbass that drunkenly violated curfew (he got drunk on base) and broke into someone's house and beat up a child, I think it should be more apparent that alcohol intake needs to be controlled.
     
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    Very true. It's right down embarrassing. :mad:
     
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    Here we go!

    And now it's robbery too! :rolleyes:

    http://www.japantoday.com/category/crime/view/two-u-s-sailors-indicted-for-okinawa-rape

    And just look at these comments, some true winners in there. :)

    [Yeah, I'm not going to re-post those... not worth my time!]
     
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    The 2 sailors were not stationed on Okinawa but were reservists from Texas but since they were in the military every military member is being punished. Since that has happened there has been 2 deaths to sailors trying to get back to base before said curfew time.
     
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    Interesting information regarding people getting hurt/killed trying to get back.

    I agree maybe curfew 'punishment' shouldn't be the policy, but frankly I don't think it matters whether its someone stationed in Okinawa or not. You don't need special cultural sensitivity training to know not to beat, rape, and rob a woman in the middle of the night. Or to break into someone's home. That's all there is to it.

    My suggestion from before about making Okinawa a 'dry' area for all US military is sounding better and better especially if drunk military members are endangering themselves and others by rushing back before curfew. Being drunk doesn't give someone a license to be an asshole or commit crimes, but people sure do some stupid stuff when inebriated. I don't think a curfew is enough.
     
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    Yeah, there's been a curfew in place in South Korea for about a year, I think. Also because of sexual assault.

    It's no wonder, really- when you put guys in their late teens through a bunch of dehumanizing training to turn them into killing machines, and then mix in alcohol, boredom, and a foreign country, you are going to start getting stuff like this.
     
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    The population of Japan on January 1st 2011 is approximately 127,218,889. 322,956 people were arrested or subject to police investigations for Penal Code offenses in 2010, not including violations of the Road Traffic Law, with 54 percent of involved in cases of theft. Thats 1 crime for every 393 persons per year. the crime rate for us military personel in japan is lower than 1 crime for every 7500 persons. remember these numbers and spread the word. this is nothing more than a disinformation campaign, use your common sense.
     
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    Okay let's use our common sense.

    First, comparing the entire population of Japan, and ALL penal code offenses, is a pretty easy way to try to drown out the real issues here. I would also be really interested to see where you got your 1 in 7500 statistic. Is that the number of US soldiers prosecuted by the Japanese criminal system? the number of soldiers court martialed under UCMJ? Number of complaints about crimes, some of which were never prosecuted? Is that one in 7500 since the end of WWII? Just last year? We also need to narrow this down just to Okinawa, frankly, because they are the ones with the problem, not the people of Yokosuka or Yokota, etc. They don't really care quite as much about the US military presence.

    Secondly, I would be very interested to see what the nature of the violent crimes in Japan, and especially Okinawa, were. Violent crime is rarely random anywhere, but especially in Japan. Someone did a study recently where the safest area in America had a higher violent crime rate than the least safe area of Japan. So yes, 2 servicemen randomly sexually assaulting, beating, and robbing a woman randomly on the street is going to shock Japanese people even without the additional baggage of involving the US military.

    Finally, this isn't just 'disinformation'. Yes, foreigners sometimes get a raw deal in Japan, and US servicemen also get a raw deal sometimes. But the fact is that the US military are there by invitation of the Japanese central government, and NOT by the people of Okinawa. The people of Okinawa have in effect been under occupation by the US military since 1945. Then you add in the fact that the US military has in the past actively used the Status of Forces Agreement to avoid prosecution of servicemen under Japanese law, I personally believe that the people of Okinawa aren't bitching for nothing.
     
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    the economy of okinawa heavily depends on the us military. several hundred thousand okinawans work on the military installations or work on contracts for the military.
    anyone arrested in japan will face double jeopordy. first they must serve the punishment of the japanese justice system then the military gets them.


    i wonder why japan pays tribute to the emperor by buying bonds?
     
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    Triple jeopardy, they also lose their career.

    And their home.

    And all their friends.
     
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    They're navy, these guys wouldn't know one end of a gun from the other. Basic training basically involves learning to wear a uniform and which end of the ship is the front.
     
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    You say this as if, absent the US military, those crimes would still be committed by the phantom Japanese people who would be there in place of US personnel. They wouldn't. Additionally, the fact remains that as non-citizens, US military personnel are GUESTS in Japan. Claiming that you are being treated unfairly because the crime rate for GUESTS is lower than the crime rate of the locals is patently absurd. NO amount of murders, rapes, or violent crimes are acceptable, especially for non-citizens. If I'm over at a friends' house and spill a glass of wine on their carpet, I'd be horrified. I wouldn't go around telling other people "well, I saw a bunch of piss stains from their cats on it already, so it's no big deal."

    sorry if I'm "wasting everybody's time", but that's not what you originally said. You said:

    So, no, it's not apples vs apples. One number is arrests, according to you. The other is arrests and police investigations, according to you. Not the same. You still didn't cite where you got the 1 out of 7500 US military personnel number. I'm not being an asshole here, I really would like to read that source.

    I would wager a large sum of money that the vast majority of Okinawans would gladly prefer developing their own means of economic growth than relying on support jobs for the US military, even if they don't have anything against Americans or the military. Wouldn't you?

    That's not what the Status of Forces Agreement says. Officially, the US military is not required to turn their people over to the Japanese authorities. This is the case in many of the military bases the US has worldwide under the doctrine of extraterritoriality. This is one of the main reasons we pulled out of Iraq so fast, because their government wasn't willing to grant extraterritoriality when a new SOFA was being negotiated. In Japan, the US military has allowed some (most?) suspects to be charged under local jurisdictions as a courtesy, and even in those cases they aren't always remanded into the custody of the Japanese legal system.

    I get that you are pissed off at either the restrictions being put in place on US personnel, or that the US military in Japan looks like dogshit in some peoples' opinion because of these events, or maybe its both, and as I've said multiple times in this thread and in others foreigners aren't going to get a fair shake sometimes, military or not, but you should at least try to see if from their point of view for once. Having an attitude about how badly the military is being treated certainly isn't going to help relations with the locals any.
     
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    thanks to misinformation, and uninformed people like you yes they get a bad rap.

    the crime rate for the us military in japan is lower than the average crime rate in japan and one of the lowest for any group in the world. your out of touch with reality.
     
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    Okinawan politicians have no interest in developing Okinawa economically.

    They can never become like a Hawaii, because they spew and encourage racism and anti-foreigner sentiment, to win elections. Okinawa is unfriendly to foreigners and tourists.

    What Okinawa politicians have done, is turn Okinawa into a welfare state. They try to extort more money by complaining to the mainland Japanese government and the U.S. government. Okinawa collects "welfare" and jobs from the two entities. The Japanese government and the U.S. military are the two largest employers of Okinawans.

    Okinawan politicians have backward and retarded ideas like kick out the U.S. military and tourists off Okinawa and replace all the lost jobs and economic revenue by growing rice and pineapples.

    Ask the American Chambers of Commerce on Okinawa how backwards Okinawan politicians are about economically developing the place.

    Young Okinawans have to come to mainland Japan to find jobs. What is being hidden by corrupt old dinosaur Okinawan politicians and newspapers are their failure to economically develop Okinawa. Focusing on the infrequent and occasional U.S. military crime is a DISTRACTION. They want to hide their failed economic policies and money taking.
     

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