U.S. 2028 Presidential Election Season and General U.S. Politics Thread

[Majestyk]

 

[Majestyk]

Fareed's Take: Trump's tariffs will bring about an orgy of corruption

 

[jhingy567]

The White House can't even be trusted to report Trump's weight accurately.
At this point who still trusts them with the economy?

 

[bdole]

There's a spreading rumor that martial law will get declared on the 20th and the borders will be closed, insurrection act enforced, etc.

I'm guessing it's bullshit but if not will always curse myself for not moving just a bit quicker. Should have started the visa pre election not just the preparation.

I wouldn't put much stock in the specific timeline of rumors, but it does seem to be his plan to seize as much personal power as possible, and martial law is a step towards that. He's testing the waters for deporting US citizens without due process, and is now refusing to abide by a SCOTUS ruling to return people deported this way. That gives him the power to basically disappear anyone he wants to a foreign prison.

On top of that, he's going to use any violence, even that committed by his own side (like the accelerationist Nazi guy who got arrested this weekend after killing his own parents and planning to assassinate Trump in order to kick off a race war or something) as an excuse why he needs more power, and as an excuse to deploy National Guard or even the armed forces onto domestic land, and he's spent the last 3 months replacing military leadership with his lackies so that they won't fight back against his orders.

So yeah, shit's gonna get bad.

 

[qcryp]

I wouldn't put much stock in the specific timeline of rumors, but it does seem to be his plan to seize as much personal power as possible, and martial law is a step towards that. He's testing the waters for deporting US citizens without due process, and is now refusing to abide by a SCOTUS ruling to return people deported this way. That gives him the power to basically disappear anyone he wants to a foreign prison.

On top of that, he's going to use any violence, even that committed by his own side (like the accelerationist Nazi guy who got arrested this weekend after killing his own parents and planning to assassinate Trump in order to kick off a race war or something) as an excuse why he needs more power, and as an excuse to deploy National Guard or even the armed forces onto domestic land, and he's spent the last 3 months replacing military leadership with his lackies so that they won't fight back against his orders.

So yeah, shit's gonna get bad.

I'm curious to return to the US and see how people feel about things. I'm from Texas, I know a good number of Trump people. From my perspective the US is basically crumbling and i've been starting to consider moving elsewhere for real. My job is sort of shit in Japan compared to the US so not sure thats a great option tho.

 

[SugoiBoy]

Fareed's Take: Trump's tariffs will bring about an orgy of corruption



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Fareed's Take seems on point.

 

[zera]

I'm curious to return to the US and see how people feel about things. I'm from Texas, I know a good number of Trump people. From my perspective the US is basically crumbling and i've been starting to consider moving elsewhere for real. My job is sort of shit in Japan compared to the US so not sure thats a great option tho.

So my job is a lot worse in Japan as well- pay wise- than America (though luckily I've got the assets to maintain tbh).

Still I have a simple rule- it's better to live free without as much than to live under… what's coming… with more money.

If they ruin the economy the wage won't even matter too much.

We actually are from a similar region tbh. And most people I know back home are still die hard despite everything.

 

[kyngder]

So my job is a lot worse in Japan as well- pay wise- than America (though luckily I've got the assets to maintain tbh).

Still I have a simple rule- it's better to live free without as much than to live under… what's coming… with more money.

If they ruin the economy the wage won't even matter too much.

We actually are from a similar region tbh. And most people I know back home are still die hard despite everything.

I'll have to take a big pay cut to come back to Japan, but given our life stage we are ready to do it.
Trump aside, I'd still want to do it - but with him in the picture, it almost feels like a necessity.

 

[FictionalFaust]

It's that I doubt Japan will do it, but there's some talks floating around elsewhere to maybe do "Fleeing Trump" expedited visas

 

[qcryp]

It's that I doubt Japan will do it, but there's some talks floating around elsewhere to maybe do "Fleeing Trump" expedited visas

Some Scottish politician was floating some idea about it I think. Theres certainly a lot of highly skilled people who might be willing to leave now

 

[FictionalFaust]

That was the one. I do wonder if "we have to get out" will beat "fuck that is a massive paycut though"

 

[zera]

That was the one. I do wonder if "we have to get out" will beat "fuck that is a massive paycut though"

From talking to friends most don't want to.

It's usually do to family (lucky me… don't have any), friends (I do have them but also weebs), personal ties, or just having lived and worked for 5, 10, 15 etc years in America.

My biggest fear is that while things are bad now and we can get out but take a hit things will be worse soon.

When I was working on my first degree I focused a lot on the rise of Hitler (not WW2). And while I don't think Trump is Hitler- not even close- one thing did stick out to me. Memoirs always said "I wanted to leave but thought I had time, then the borders closed" and things like that.

If people want to leave I'd encourage them to because while we don't know that they will close we also don't know that they won't, and being stuck inside America if we go that route isn't worth the risk.

 

[maikeru]

I wouldn't put much stock in the specific timeline of rumors, but it does seem to be his plan to seize as much personal power as possible, and martial law is a step towards that. He's testing the waters for deporting US citizens without due process, and is now refusing to abide by a SCOTUS ruling to return people deported this way. That gives him the power to basically disappear anyone he wants to a foreign prison.

On top of that, he's going to use any violence, even that committed by his own side (like the accelerationist Nazi guy who got arrested this weekend after killing his own parents and planning to assassinate Trump in order to kick off a race war or something) as an excuse why he needs more power, and as an excuse to deploy National Guard or even the armed forces onto domestic land, and he's spent the last 3 months replacing military leadership with his lackies so that they won't fight back against his orders.

So yeah, shit's gonna get bad.

While top brass are his lackeys, someone along the chain of command or troops won't question orders?
I see that all the rage is against "young demonstrators", but what will happen when troops will be against workers, middle age people, retired people? "normal people" in a word.
It's rhetorical question but we can talk about it

 

[Sudsy]

While top brass are his lackeys, someone along the chain of command or troops won't question orders?
I see that all the rage is against "young demonstrators", but what will happen when troops will be against workers, middle age people, retired people? "normal people" in a word.
It's rhetorical question but we can talk about it

Bit of a history on that one...

1914: Ludlow: Colorado National Guard attacks striking miners, killing not only miners, but women and children. 21 deaths.

1921: Tulsa: National Guard deployed against black community as part of a white supremacist attack on black community in Tulsa, 39 confirmed dead, with estimates up to 300 by a later commission. No specific confirmation on number attributable to US military.

1932: DC: Federal military troops (US Army Cavalry) were used to disperse WWI vets demanding a bonus payment that they had been promised by the federal government. They went in with tear gas and flamethrowers. Yes, they were deployed against their own.

1967: Detroit: National Guard, 82nd and 101st Airborne were used to quell the Detroit rights, leaving 43 civilians dead - 12 verified shot by military personnel, 23 by police, remainder unclear.

1967: Newark: National Guard deployed to quell Newark riots with tanks, 26 killed by military and police, split unclear.

1968: Multiple cities: National Guard and US army deployed in wake of MLK assassination. Nearly 14,000 troops in DC alone. 39 killed.

1970: Kent: National guard deployed to disperse a (peaceful) demonstration at Kent State University, 4 students shot and killed by military, 9 more wounded.

1992: LA Riots: 10,000 National Guardsmen and 2,000 US Army, and 1,500 Marines deployed to restore order. 63 dead, 9 shot by police. One verified shooting by national guard, 50+ unresolved.

 

[bdole]

what will happen when troops will be against workers, middle age people, retired people? "normal people" in a word.

We've seen the groundwork for what he plans to do in this case: he'll make up lies about these "normal" people, framing them as terrorists, antifa, communists, etc, and that would be enough for half the country to immediately be on board with lethal crackdowns against them, up to and including illegal deportation to an El Salvador death camp.

 

[SoFreshSoClean]

It's very "eye for an eye" and knowingly not particularly constructive, but if power ever switches hands, I would wish so bad for the "deportation" of all right wing extremists and the likes.

 

[YokoMonger]

This is going to get dangerous fast: Trump HATES the 2nd amendment. Actually, most people in power that depend on the military/police to protect them from consequences of their actions hate the 2nd amendment. So what happens with Trump ordering the rounding up of anyone, including US citizens, he doesn't like to deport fast to another country? Gonna start being a lot more people getting weaponry as defense against illegal administration sanctioned kidnappings.

You also have this group that doesn't really love the 2nd amendment so much as the idea they can legally kill someone. Ok, so what happens when Trump keeps violating court orders and that group of people get it into their head they're able to legally kill law enforcement officers that are acting on illegal orders?

 

[maikeru]

Bit of a history on that one...

1914: Ludlow: Colorado National Guard attacks striking miners, killing not only miners, but women and children. 21 deaths.

1921: Tulsa: National Guard deployed against black community as part of a white supremacist attack on black community in Tulsa, 39 confirmed dead, with estimates up to 300 by a later commission. No specific confirmation on number attributable to US military.

1932: DC: Federal military troops (US Army Cavalry) were used to disperse WWI vets demanding a bonus payment that they had been promised by the federal government. They went in with tear gas and flamethrowers. Yes, they were deployed against their own.

1967: Detroit: National Guard, 82nd and 101st Airborne were used to quell the Detroit rights, leaving 43 civilians dead - 12 verified shot by military personnel, 23 by police, remainder unclear.

1967: Newark: National Guard deployed to quell Newark riots with tanks, 26 killed by military and police, split unclear.

1968: Multiple cities: National Guard and US army deployed in wake of MLK assassination. Nearly 14,000 troops in DC alone. 39 killed.

1970: Kent: National guard deployed to disperse a (peaceful) demonstration at Kent State University, 4 students shot and killed by military, 9 more wounded.

1992: LA Riots: 10,000 National Guardsmen and 2,000 US Army, and 1,500 Marines deployed to restore order. 63 dead, 9 shot by police. One verified shooting by national guard, 50+ unresolved.

That'll be a massacre

 

[maikeru]

This is going to get dangerous fast: Trump HATES the 2nd amendment. Actually, most people in power that depend on the military/police to protect them from consequences of their actions hate the 2nd amendment. So what happens with Trump ordering the rounding up of anyone, including US citizens, he doesn't like to deport fast to another country? Gonna start being a lot more people getting weaponry as defense against illegal administration sanctioned kidnappings.

You also have this group that doesn't really love the 2nd amendment so much as the idea they can legally kill someone. Ok, so what happens when Trump keeps violating court orders and that group of people get it into their head they're able to legally kill law enforcement officers that are acting on illegal orders?

Yep, civil war

 

[Majestyk]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...-salvador-deportation-oval-office-1235317056/

 

[qcryp]

If this deportation to the gulag without a trial thing doesn't spark any real pushback we're cooked.

Seriously if this event get passed by I really think that's it.

This is a total constitutional crisis, and the Supreme Court already ruled unanimously that it's unconstitutional, and that's with a corrupt as fuck judge on the court

 

[bdole]

You also have this group that doesn't really love the 2nd amendment so much as the idea they can legally kill someone. Ok, so what happens when Trump keeps violating court orders and that group of people get it into their head they're able to legally kill law enforcement officers that are acting on illegal orders?

It'll take a while because that group of people really like the idea of just straight up murdering brown people and are on the side of the law enforcement right now, and by the time they become the undesirables, they'll have self-destructed as a coherent group due to infighting as progressively larger bits of their group are deemed undesirable and the rest of them turn on those groups bit by bit.

the Supreme Court already ruled unanimously that it's unconstitutional, and that's with a corrupt as fuck judge on the court

A corrupt as fuck judge? I honestly don't know which one you're talking about because there are at least 3 this could easily apply to...

 

[ElvenHarper]

To be honest we all know they're going to target trans folks first with the prison thing but every mouthpiece is afraid to say the damn truth of it. Nothing more cruel and entertaining for them than to target a people who has No one fights for us . and if it happens I guarantee no one fights for us then.

We have one British guy with glasses on hbo talking about us and that's it. There's millions of us, and democrats are so afraid to even talk about it and have to be loose and fast with their wording to avoid bringing it up every time they denounce trump because they're so scared that so many of their supporters despise trans people. When reality is, you aren't offering good 'negotiation' tactics to any of the wedge issues they won with. Coed sports (trans people won fuxkkng nothing to add, just make men's league co ed league as in many of the rules that's what it is already. Just no damn system for integration and sexism even if it's a bit 'Dei' have recruitment and training from 'lower leagues'', only way to give people good practice is by allowing people a way to play with what in sexism is viewed a superior sport league anyways right?).

Unisex toilets with a wash hand area

Puberty blockers are safe and are being monitored.. they are there to give time so that when they are an adult they can make a decision firmly as an adult. And they do not have to take hrt to do puberty blockers. You can just take it to buy time and even cis people take it at that age range too for various medical complications.

caving in to their agenda and fight back with a different one which seems like negotiation but it's already there. It's like how in all these dumb negotiations trump does, he acts like he gets something but that was actually the deal all along …!and it was a deal they had before he made some drama… he just hopes people don't fact check it and he also is conveniently forgetful of to makes for a good headline.

You got to play by his delusional playbook and act like you're clamping down but in reality you're just giving the same deal as it is currently. He just wants the press to run conspiratorial news about how glorious he is because he is addicted to comments that praise him. He wants 'ratings' and to further increase those that are loyal to him by making them fall under the conspiratorial belief he is doing something.

Done. It's over. That's all you have to run on. The infrastructure has always been there for these things, just need wider adaption. They are just propagandized to make it look like these solutions aren't there. But they have always. Been. There.

So say it like it's an amazing change like you heard them or something on the Democrat side, some genius maneuver just like he does because this is an era of conspiratorial facts supported by what people said, not necessarily the facts. People like hearing someone having said something. Whether it's factual or not doesn't matter, what matters is the delivery and democrats got to adjust their playbook here and act like they have the solution so for us trans people that can actually dissolve this single issue and make it appear these are fair compromises.

Now to wrap this back to the prison topic I brought up

by criminalizing trans people for things I can't even say the exact writing on a forum like this, as by proxy as outlined in project 2025 just being outside is enough to justify someone getting a life sentence and detainment and with it being male prisons. It's a visceral image I cannot even type here on what will happen. They even suspect the el salvoador person has already passed on which is why they can't facilitate his return.

I think I wrote down it was a few pages back when the buildup was about guantonomo . What I noticed since then was they were doing something under Biden for guantonomo so at the time a little slight misinformation of things they were already doing previously, but now it's helping convenient they will have new things eventually there for more capacity or whatever other cruel things they decide to make. Maybe that's one camp.

The rest can be done elsewhere it would seem and in El Salvador or other countries where there isn't rights. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if they just stop pretending and make the for profit prison system facilitate this in some form. But who knows.? Maybe they'll just make us trans folks peons for the made in America factories which is why he wants to round up a bunch of people and have us work in textile factories that are afforded by the prison system which already uses much of that. Highest incarceration rate in the world for a good reason and its not just the cruelty

 

[Danbo]

If this deportation to the gulag without a trial thing doesn't spark any real pushback we're cooked.

I am not an American....but doesn't the US have a tradition doing this?

Trump didn't invent it, under W Bush people were flown out to Guantanamo without trial or legal defense, held like animals and often tortured. Did people push back or protest? Nope.....nobody gave a shit because they all were "terrorists". Just because people are criminals doesn't mean you can strip them of basic human rights...and a lot of people incarcerated during that time were innocent.

 

[qcryp]

I am not an American....but doesn't the US have a tradition doing this?

Trump didn't invent it, under W Bush people were flown out to Guantanamo without trial or legal defense, held like animals and often tortured. Did people push back or protest? Nope.....nobody gave a shit because they all were "terrorists". Just because people are criminals doesn't mean you can strip them of basic human rights...and a lot of people incarcerated during that time were innocent.

Fair point honestly. This doesn't make it better, but back then the whole country was sort of united in the hate due to 9/11. I guess in the end that doesn't matter much, but sort of explains why the backlash against that wasn't as strong as it should have been.