I wouldn't put much stock in the specific timeline of rumors, but it does seem to be his plan to seize as much personal power as possible, and martial law is a step towards that. He's testing the waters for deporting US citizens without due process, and is now refusing to abide by a SCOTUS ruling to return people deported this way. That gives him the power to basically disappear anyone he wants to a foreign prison.There's a spreading rumor that martial law will get declared on the 20th and the borders will be closed, insurrection act enforced, etc.
I'm guessing it's bullshit but if not will always curse myself for not moving just a bit quicker. Should have started the visa pre election not just the preparation.
I'm curious to return to the US and see how people feel about things. I'm from Texas, I know a good number of Trump people. From my perspective the US is basically crumbling and i've been starting to consider moving elsewhere for real. My job is sort of shit in Japan compared to the US so not sure thats a great option tho.I wouldn't put much stock in the specific timeline of rumors, but it does seem to be his plan to seize as much personal power as possible, and martial law is a step towards that. He's testing the waters for deporting US citizens without due process, and is now refusing to abide by a SCOTUS ruling to return people deported this way. That gives him the power to basically disappear anyone he wants to a foreign prison.
On top of that, he's going to use any violence, even that committed by his own side (like the accelerationist Nazi guy who got arrested this weekend after killing his own parents and planning to assassinate Trump in order to kick off a race war or something) as an excuse why he needs more power, and as an excuse to deploy National Guard or even the armed forces onto domestic land, and he's spent the last 3 months replacing military leadership with his lackies so that they won't fight back against his orders.
So yeah, shit's gonna get bad.
So my job is a lot worse in Japan as well- pay wise- than America (though luckily I've got the assets to maintain tbh).I'm curious to return to the US and see how people feel about things. I'm from Texas, I know a good number of Trump people. From my perspective the US is basically crumbling and i've been starting to consider moving elsewhere for real. My job is sort of shit in Japan compared to the US so not sure thats a great option tho.
I'll have to take a big pay cut to come back to Japan, but given our life stage we are ready to do it.So my job is a lot worse in Japan as well- pay wise- than America (though luckily I've got the assets to maintain tbh).
Still I have a simple rule- it's better to live free without as much than to live under… what's coming… with more money.
If they ruin the economy the wage won't even matter too much.
We actually are from a similar region tbh. And most people I know back home are still die hard despite everything.
Some Scottish politician was floating some idea about it I think. Theres certainly a lot of highly skilled people who might be willing to leave nowIt's that I doubt Japan will do it, but there's some talks floating around elsewhere to maybe do "Fleeing Trump" expedited visas
From talking to friends most don't want to.That was the one. I do wonder if "we have to get out" will beat "fuck that is a massive paycut though"
While top brass are his lackeys, someone along the chain of command or troops won't question orders?I wouldn't put much stock in the specific timeline of rumors, but it does seem to be his plan to seize as much personal power as possible, and martial law is a step towards that. He's testing the waters for deporting US citizens without due process, and is now refusing to abide by a SCOTUS ruling to return people deported this way. That gives him the power to basically disappear anyone he wants to a foreign prison.
On top of that, he's going to use any violence, even that committed by his own side (like the accelerationist Nazi guy who got arrested this weekend after killing his own parents and planning to assassinate Trump in order to kick off a race war or something) as an excuse why he needs more power, and as an excuse to deploy National Guard or even the armed forces onto domestic land, and he's spent the last 3 months replacing military leadership with his lackies so that they won't fight back against his orders.
So yeah, shit's gonna get bad.
While top brass are his lackeys, someone along the chain of command or troops won't question orders?
I see that all the rage is against "young demonstrators", but what will happen when troops will be against workers, middle age people, retired people? "normal people" in a word.
It's rhetorical question but we can talk about it
We've seen the groundwork for what he plans to do in this case: he'll make up lies about these "normal" people, framing them as terrorists, antifa, communists, etc, and that would be enough for half the country to immediately be on board with lethal crackdowns against them, up to and including illegal deportation to an El Salvador death camp.what will happen when troops will be against workers, middle age people, retired people? "normal people" in a word.
That'll be a massacreBit of a history on that one...
1914: Ludlow: Colorado National Guard attacks striking miners, killing not only miners, but women and children. 21 deaths.
1921: Tulsa: National Guard deployed against black community as part of a white supremacist attack on black community in Tulsa, 39 confirmed dead, with estimates up to 300 by a later commission. No specific confirmation on number attributable to US military.
1932: DC: Federal military troops (US Army Cavalry) were used to disperse WWI vets demanding a bonus payment that they had been promised by the federal government. They went in with tear gas and flamethrowers. Yes, they were deployed against their own.
1967: Detroit: National Guard, 82nd and 101st Airborne were used to quell the Detroit rights, leaving 43 civilians dead - 12 verified shot by military personnel, 23 by police, remainder unclear.
1967: Newark: National Guard deployed to quell Newark riots with tanks, 26 killed by military and police, split unclear.
1968: Multiple cities: National Guard and US army deployed in wake of MLK assassination. Nearly 14,000 troops in DC alone. 39 killed.
1970: Kent: National guard deployed to disperse a (peaceful) demonstration at Kent State University, 4 students shot and killed by military, 9 more wounded.
1992: LA Riots: 10,000 National Guardsmen and 2,000 US Army, and 1,500 Marines deployed to restore order. 63 dead, 9 shot by police. One verified shooting by national guard, 50+ unresolved.
Yep, civil warThis is going to get dangerous fast: Trump HATES the 2nd amendment. Actually, most people in power that depend on the military/police to protect them from consequences of their actions hate the 2nd amendment. So what happens with Trump ordering the rounding up of anyone, including US citizens, he doesn't like to deport fast to another country? Gonna start being a lot more people getting weaponry as defense against illegal administration sanctioned kidnappings.
You also have this group that doesn't really love the 2nd amendment so much as the idea they can legally kill someone. Ok, so what happens when Trump keeps violating court orders and that group of people get it into their head they're able to legally kill law enforcement officers that are acting on illegal orders?
It'll take a while because that group of people really like the idea of just straight up murdering brown people and are on the side of the law enforcement right now, and by the time they become the undesirables, they'll have self-destructed as a coherent group due to infighting as progressively larger bits of their group are deemed undesirable and the rest of them turn on those groups bit by bit.You also have this group that doesn't really love the 2nd amendment so much as the idea they can legally kill someone. Ok, so what happens when Trump keeps violating court orders and that group of people get it into their head they're able to legally kill law enforcement officers that are acting on illegal orders?
A corrupt as fuck judge? I honestly don't know which one you're talking about because there are at least 3 this could easily apply to...the Supreme Court already ruled unanimously that it's unconstitutional, and that's with a corrupt as fuck judge on the court
If this deportation to the gulag without a trial thing doesn't spark any real pushback we're cooked.
Fair point honestly. This doesn't make it better, but back then the whole country was sort of united in the hate due to 9/11. I guess in the end that doesn't matter much, but sort of explains why the backlash against that wasn't as strong as it should have been.I am not an American....but doesn't the US have a tradition doing this?
Trump didn't invent it, under W Bush people were flown out to Guantanamo without trial or legal defense, held like animals and often tortured. Did people push back or protest? Nope.....nobody gave a shit because they all were "terrorists". Just because people are criminals doesn't mean you can strip them of basic human rights...and a lot of people incarcerated during that time were innocent.