Universe Club From A Girl's Perspective, Worth It Or A Waste Of Time?

[Ches]

I don't know which category this might belong, so just posted this here, @TAG Manager, feel free to move it if it isn't suitable here.

I saw that there was a post about universe club in this forum, but it was centered on the male perspective. Now, I wanna know about the female perspective.

Before, I actually signed up for an interview, they were very prompt with their reply, and very nice to talk to email, very professional and they give you options. I scheduled but didn't attend because honestly, I felt like I would just be wasting my time then.

But I heard about it from other girls that I should give it a try. Has girl here actually tried there? Does it actually have a quality gentlemen? Is it gaijin friendly? Would you actually meet a quality SD there, i mean is there a chance?

Also, I really don't know the system yet. I heard that there would be membership fee for men, how about women? Would the girl be actually compensated for just a date? Who would pay? The man or the club?

Also? When they sent me the address, they didn't really pointed me out to the actually location, I will just be meeting someone fom them he will take me to their headquarters. For me that is a little fishy, if they operate their business legally why not just give the actual place?

I'm looking to meet quality guys who are not cheap and are into upscale things. So i thought maybe I should give it a try then, but first I wanna know you guys' thoughts.

Thank you for reading.


XOXO,
Ches

PS also, do you know any deai club that is upscale and can u suggest one?

 

[TAG Manager]

This thread is okay to stay here, until the forum is updated from recent discussions.

Also? When they sent me the address, they didn't really pointed me out to the actually location, I will just be meeting someone fom them he will take me to their headquarters. For me that is a little fishy, if they operate their business legally why not just give the actual place?

Kind of a common setup to protect their location in case they meet someone that they don't want to know where their office is. It's not that unusual.

 

[Ches]

Kind of a common setup to protect their location in case they meet someone that they don't want to know where their office is. It's not that unusual.

You mean they can reject you outright, just basing from your looks and you won't be given the chance to be interviewed anymore? That could a be little harsh especially to girls who actually travelled far just to get there haha

 

[TAG Manager]

You mean they can reject you outright, just basing from your looks and you won't be given the chance to be interviewed anymore? That could a be little harsh especially to girls who actually travelled far just to get there haha

It happens. It's just not about looks but that first impression from attitude, appearance and your overall presentation.

In the Delivery Health area, they'll meet girls at a local cafe first for a pre-interview. The basic rule is that if you get invited back to the office after the cafe, that pretty much means you're hired. If not, then it's over... with a few exceptions from time to time.

 

[Desktop]

It might be for ladies safety also. I don't think most companies would consider changing tactics because of your location. Many ladies purposely work far away from areas they live in or frequent.

 

[Serenity Now]

Haven't belonged to UC for a long while now but here is how it worked from the man's perspective.

Guys had to pay a yearly membership fee, as I know ladies did not. The membership level paid determined which girls were available to date.

For the first date the guy paid a fee to UC. When I was with UC the agreed date fee for the girl was known to the guy and he paid it to the girl for every date. This took out the hassle of negotiations. As I know now the date compensation fee is not so well defined.

As for myself I always selected very nice restaurants for the meal with advice from UC on what the girl did and did not prefer. And I tried to use good quality LHs. So I tried to keep it upscale. But I guess UC can only do so much to manage this.

 

[Wwanderer]

Fwiiw, I've had a fair amount of dealing with UC (though I am no longer a member), and much of what I know about them is in this thread:

http://www.tokyoadultguide.com/threads/universe-club-uc-pros-and-cons-and-info.8933/

@Ches - Having met you, I am quite confident that UC would eagerly accept you as a female member...EXCEPT you mention that you made an appointment with them but then didn't keep it. This might make quite a negative impression on them, especially if you did not let them know well in advance that you were canceling. Aside from any inconvenience to the interviewer, doing this would likely concern them because one of their big worries/problems is when women don't show up for the dates UC arranges (called "settings"). This understandably irritates their paying (male) customers and could cause them to lose clients permanently.

As for your questions, you definitely can get dates with high quality and generous potential SDs. Long-term ongoing sugar arrangements often emerge from UC settings. The downside is that UC seems to produce a relatively small number of dates (like a couple per year) for many of its female members, especially if they cannot date in Japanese. As a woman, you can influence how many setting invitations you receive to some degree by the "dating levels" and so forth that you select when you set up your UC profile.

Btw, I answered "yes" as a man in the poll because I did join UC at one point in the past and am very happy I did (met some absolutely terrific women via their service), but I actually would/did not join currently due to changes in my circumstances and in their services plus the competition from SA which suits me better in several way.s

-Ww

 

[Wwanderer]

Tangential comment: If we had a sugar dating forum, this thread would be a good one to include in it and is an example of why one is needed. I know that you are aware of this @TAG Manager...but just sayin.

-Ww

 

[Ches]

Fwiiw, I've had a fair amount of dealing with UC (though I am no longer a member), and much of what I know about them is in this thread:

http://www.tokyoadultguide.com/threads/universe-club-uc-pros-and-cons-and-info.8933/

@Ches - Having met you, I am quite confident that UC would eagerly accept you as a female member...EXCEPT you mention that you made an appointment with them but then didn't keep it. This might make quite a negative impression on them, especially if you did not let them know well in advance that you were canceling. Aside from any inconvenience to the interviewer, doing this would likely concern them because one of their big worries/problems is when women don't show up for the dates UC arranges (called "settings"). This understandably irritates their paying (male) customers and could cause them to lose clients permanently.

As for your questions, you definitely can get dates with high quality and generous potential SDs. Long-term ongoing sugar arrangements often emerge from UC settings. The downside is that UC seems to produce a relatively small number of dates (like a couple per year) for many of its female members, especially if they cannot date in Japanese. As a woman, you can influence how many setting invitations you receive to some degree by the "dating levels" and so forth that you select when you set up your UC profile.

Btw, I answered "yes" as a man in the poll because I did join UC at one point in the past and am very happy I did (met some absolutely terrific women via their service), but I actually would/did not join currently due to changes in my circumstances and in their services plus the competition from SA which suits me better in several way.s

-Ww

Wow! Thank you so much this is such an intelligent input. I will try to reschedule if ever I decide to want to do an interview, with a different name so that the won't easily match my name to the girl who bailed out haha. However, there is a chance that they might still figure it out through similar phone number. Anyway, I am still considering it and waiting for some replies from girls who have actually tried it ^_^

Ps. Thank you so much for stating that you are confident that they would be eager to have me, since you have met me in person. I appreciated it ^_^

 

[User#16452]

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[Ches]

My opinion: avoid at all costs. UC wants you to meet a gentleman for a entire evening with no time limit. That means you could be there for six hours for a mere 50,000 yen.

They are a very unprofessional company to deal with and if there is a problem, I believe they always take the man's side as the paying customer. This means that they are sending you to meet strangers with no sense of security for yourself. The club also makes more from a date than you do, on top of getting the yearly membership fees from guys.

While the dates are supposed to be dinner and a hotel, the club bends these rules for VIP gentlemen to driving around for half an hour and then their private apartment, or ask you to go straight to their hotel. Of course, they won't tell you this until last minute.

They also work against themselves in the online profiles. Do not be surprised if they describe you as "not as fat as she seems in pictures" or some such thing. I have seen seem pretty unflattering things written on some women's profiles.

Awful, awful, company.

Thank you so much!! This is such a valuable input.

 

[Anna Summer]

Before I went back to being an Escort I've tried Universe Club for a few weeks but that was over 2 years ago or so.
And I've made the same experience as @User#16452 with them. Stay away and try SA. That seems a lot better and you are your own 'boss'.

 

[Wwanderer]

I agree with everything @User#16452 says about UC in her post above and can verify nearly all of it from other sources as well. Much of it is reflected in the thread which I started and linked above as well.

Nevertheless, I'm not sure I agree with her conclusion. If you want to sugar date in English in Tokyo, the only significant alternative to UC is SA as far as I am aware. and overall I prefer SA, but it also has its very serious downsides as I think @User#16452 would agree (and of course she can/will say so if I am wrong).

The bottom line, as far as I can see, is that both UC and SA can and do deliver both wonderful and terrible sugar situations for both the man and the woman. Both are a trade-off and depend a bit on your personal preferences and priorities, but UC has been getting worse while SA has been getting better from my perspective...but it was not always so and may not be so for some.

Also of course and obviously, you can do/use both. Many do.

-Ww

 

[Ches]

Before I went back to being an Escort I've tried Universe Club for a few weeks but that was over 2 years ago or so.
And I've made the same experience as @User#16452 with them. Stay away and try SA. That seems a lot better and you are your own 'boss'.

Thank you very much. UC seemed like not an option indeed.

Also, thanks for the afternoon giggles with the little guy hahaha

 

[User#16452]

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[Wwanderer]

Date club men are not looking for a longterm sugar relationship in general.

Mmm...what fraction would you say are seeking long term relationships? A significant number I would guess.

In my case I saw one of the half dozen or so women I met via UC once only; the rest I saw more than a few times. One I continue to see and have seen more times than I could easily count...just plain more times than I could count in fact. And another one I would still be seeing now if she hadn't gone inexplicable radio silent; in other words, it was her choice (or she lost her phone or something) to stop seeing me. Of course I am often an atypical member of groups to which I belong, but in this case maybe not so terribly atypical. I have been a member of a couple of back channel groups of SDs both in Tokyo and in the US, and the large majority of the members are/were seeing SBs on an ongoing basis. Of course, there is a selection effect; guys who don't find enough satisfaction in the sugar bowl to keep up an ongoing relationship probably wouldn't bother joining such groups. Still, I think it is not too uncommon on UC.

In any case, guys using UC have a direct financial incentive to do repeat dates with women they have already met rather than pay the club another setting fee.

-Ww

 

[meiji]

My opinion: avoid at all costs. UC wants you to meet a gentleman for a entire evening with no time limit. That means you could be there for six hours or overnight for a mere 50,000 yen.

(my emphasis)

I haven't done the Universe Club thing and I can't speak to their quality, but to be honest the main drawback to seeing escorts is "being on the clock". Obviously, a woman shouldn't be beholden to a guy's whims and expectations for both people should be worked out, but to me the big difference between escorts that I see and what I would consider a sugar daddy/baby relationship is that time isn't as much of a factor. And sure, it's still somewhat of a relationship fiction, but a woman saying 'hey, I've gotta go catch my train' or something else is a whole lot different than me waiting for some timer to go off.

 

[User#16452]

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[Wwanderer]

I haven't done the Universe Club thing and I can't speak to their quality, but to be honest the main drawback to seeing escorts is "being on the clock".

Sugar dating is (or can be) VERY different from straight escorting/mongering in multiple ways, of which you mention an important one. Either can be MUCH better than the other for both the woman and the man depending on what they want, their goals. (For example, some women want a much more relaxed/unhurried/experience-oriented encounter than escorts normally see; in other words they don't want to be "on the clock" either.) Some like both. Some like one better at first but evolve toward the other. Etc. This is one reason that a TAG sugar dating forum would be good.

However, the virtues of sugar dating is a topic separate from the virtues of UC. I think it does a remarkably bad job of "enabling" sugar arrangements, especially from the woman's point of view perhaps. However, that said, UC does attract some very good SDs and SBs...better average quality than those on SA I think. So, if you can put up with the company and its system, it may be worth it. Personally, a single woman I met through UC (the one I'm still seeing) more than justifies all the costs and the many many hassles I had with the company.

Anyway, @Ches asked for women's opinions in this thread, so I think I'll shut up now unless someone asks me specifically a question (which need not be in this thread of course).

-Ww

 

[Serenity Now]

My opinion: avoid at all costs. UC wants you to meet a gentleman for a entire evening with no time limit. That means you could be there for six hours or overnight for a mere 50,000 yen.

They are a very unprofessional company to deal with and if there is a problem, I believe they always take the man's side as the paying customer. This means that they are sending you to meet strangers with no sense of security for yourself. The club also makes more from a date than you do, on top of getting the yearly membership fees from guys.

While the dates are supposed to be dinner and a hotel, the club bends these rules for VIP gentlemen to driving around for half an hour and then their private apartment, or ask you to go straight to their hotel. Of course, they won't tell you this until last minute.

They also work against themselves in the online profiles. Do not be surprised if they describe you as "not as fat as she seems in pictures" or some such thing. I have seen seem pretty unflattering things written on some women's profiles.

Awful, awful, company.

Sorry your experience was poor. No doubt the women's experience and take on it varies from the men's.

I agree with Ww that the guys have an incentive for repeat dates to avoid the setting fee charged by UC. And I think my overall experience was similar to his.

In my experience none of the girls I dated wanted to stay overnight and I respected that. So they got their comp fee, e.g. Y50,000, plus a very good meal (in my opinion) for maybe 5 hours of their time. I even treated the ones I clicked with and saw many times to some shopping in addition to the comp fee. My take was that quite a few of the girls were just interested in some extra cash so the arrangement above was fine with them.

I dropped out for various reasons but never saw it this badly.

Just my 2c.

 

[User#16452]

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[User#8628]

Definitely worth it!
I have mixed feelings about the company but one thing is sure: they have some rich clients!

The guys pay good money for membership and to get UC to set up a date with you so once you have an appointment you are sure it's a guy with a good job, while seeking arrangement for example can NOT guarantee this.
Be prepared for UC to mess up dates and make some mistakes, but if you have a date it most likely wont go wrong.
You can let UC set your profile settings to "B type" or something which means you dont want sex on the first date. You can tell UC that you expect 10.000 dinner compensation and usually they'll inform the guys how much compensation you expect but even if they forget to do that the guys have paid a lot for the date, jusy subtile remind them to give you some "taxi fee" of something and they'll most likely dig out a tip for you.
I've also got a random 20.000 for dinner only once. Not all their guys are very generous but they are not poor at least. Its probably the best way to meet a good sugar daddy, if they can succesfully set you up with someone.

 

[Serenity Now]

I don't doubt that there many gentlemen who do wish to use UC to begin a sugar dating arrangement, but many of the men I was paired with barely spoke any English. UC in fact once sent me in place of another woman who spoke fluent Japanese by mistake. These dates are impossible to enjoy, let alone begin a long term arrangement.

While you mention the meal and shopping, please do keep in mind that time spent on a date is time that otherwise could have been spent working, whether as an escort, tutor, etc. While some women might be ok with (or unaware of their worth), do keep in mind that bills cannot be paid with meals or handbags. I much prefer to think of these as additional perks but not part of the "sugar" itself.

Of course, different strokes for different folks. I have turned down every shopping trip I have been offered as I find buying things to be a mind numbingly boring experience. Others seem to relish it, however.

Setting new dates is certainly in the best interest of UC and it sounds like they took advantage of both you and the men involved. Not good.

And agreed it is horses for courses.

Glad we are getting both sides discussed here.

All very interesting.

 

[Ches]

Sugar dating is (or can be) VERY different from straight escorting/mongering in multiple ways, of which you mention an important one. Either can be MUCH better than the other for both the woman and the man depending on what they want, their goals. (For example, some women want a much more relaxed/unhurried/experience-oriented encounter than escorts normally see; in other words they don't want to be "on the clock" either.) Some like both. Some like one better at first but evolve toward the other. Etc. This is one reason that a TAG sugar dating forum would be good.

This is exactly the reason why I do not prefer escorting. I do not like hurried experience. I prefer knowing the person through a cup of coffee first. And I like more conversations and I hate looking into the clock. I hate the hurried experience and I love cuddling under the blanket and talking, or spending sometime in the bath together while talking and all the other fun stuffs.

This of course, is my personal preference.

 

[User#8628]

As far as i know the best options to find a sugar daddy are:
Universe Club
Seeking Arrangement
Deai cafe

Deai cafe are usually not very rich guys (sometimes rich guys come there but you're very lucky to be matched with one when going there). You like the more luxury, extemely rich guys and you don't live near the cafes (i sometimes go there in my free time, they have free drinks and snacks, better than passing time in a regular cafe, but if its busy i get called constantly and have to reject the ones that dont offer enough so thats a bit annoying) so it wouldn't be worth going for you unless you're curious (you can get compensation from guys like 5000 or 10.000 for karaoke, tea or dinner).

I think both seeking arrangement and UC are worth using while looking for an upscale sugar arrangement.
Like i said before; Seeking Arrangement can't prove to you that a guy is actually rich and you are all on your own. Communication is key; be sure your daddy knows what kind of arrangement you're looking for before you meet him.
With UC, their customers are rich (although some can be stingy), they ask the guys for some personal information as well. They will interview you and usually they inform the guy about what kind of expectations you have.
I have met quite a few guys on there, and a lot of them more than one time. It's a good place to look for a sugar daddy overall.