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Universe Club From A Girl's Perspective, Worth It Or A Waste Of Time?

Would you actually sign up for it?

  • I am a man, yes

  • I am a girl, yes

  • I am a man, no

  • I am a girl, no


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As far as i know the best options to find a sugar daddy are:
Universe Club
Seeking Arrangement
Deai cafe

Deai cafe are usually not very rich guys (sometimes rich guys come there but you're very lucky to be matched with one when going there). You like the more luxury, extemely rich guys and you don't live near the cafes (i sometimes go there in my free time, they have free drinks and snacks, better than passing time in a regular cafe, but if its busy i get called constantly and have to reject the ones that dont offer enough so thats a bit annoying) so it wouldn't be worth going for you unless you're curious (you can get compensation from guys like 5000 or 10.000 for karaoke, tea or dinner).

I think both seeking arrangement and UC are worth using while looking for an upscale sugar arrangement.
Like i said before; Seeking Arrangement can't prove to you that a guy is actually rich and you are all on your own. Communication is key; be sure your daddy knows what kind of arrangement you're looking for before you meet him.
With UC, their customers are rich (although some can be stingy), they ask the guys for some personal information as well. They will interview you and usually they inform the guy about what kind of expectations you have.
I have met quite a few guys on there, and a lot of them more than one time. It's a good place to look for a sugar daddy overall.

Thank you so much Alice I really appreciate it.
 
As far as i know the best options to find a sugar daddy are:
Universe Club
Seeking Arrangement
Deai cafe

Deai cafe are usually not very rich guys (sometimes rich guys come there but you're very lucky to be matched with one when going there). You like the more luxury, extemely rich guys and you don't live near the cafes (i sometimes go there in my free time, they have free drinks and snacks, better than passing time in a regular cafe, but if its busy i get called constantly and have to reject the ones that dont offer enough so thats a bit annoying) so it wouldn't be worth going for you unless you're curious (you can get compensation from guys like 5000 or 10.000 for karaoke, tea or dinner).

I think both seeking arrangement and UC are worth using while looking for an upscale sugar arrangement.
Like i said before; Seeking Arrangement can't prove to you that a guy is actually rich and you are all on your own. Communication is key; be sure your daddy knows what kind of arrangement you're looking for before you meet him.
With UC, their customers are rich (although some can be stingy), they ask the guys for some personal information as well. They will interview you and usually they inform the guy about what kind of expectations you have.
I have met quite a few guys on there, and a lot of them more than one time. It's a good place to look for a sugar daddy overall.
Forgive the appearance of naivete on my part, but the goal is to find the richest man?

And if that is not the case, what do view as an acceptable yearly salary for a man to support you in the way and lifestyle that you so desire?
 
Forgive the appearance of naivete on my part, but the goal is to find the richest man?

And if that is not the case, what do view as an acceptable yearly salary for a man to support you in the way and lifestyle that you so desire?
? Are you asking this to me or to ches?
She is looking for an upscale sugar daddy and i'm advicing her on services i know about in Japan. I don't know concretely what her goals are.
The point of sugar dating is find an arrangement with mutual benefits between a girl and a guy. What her financial expectations are and how many times he expects to meet her and what they will do on meetings is up to them to discuss.

Personally i'm an escort and i've also done sugar dating. I'm not looking for an exclusive relationship with the most rich guy i can find (some sugar babies are though).
Difference for me between sugar dating and escort is that for sugar dating we had dinner together or when out somehow and the focus was less on adult play (although it usually happened at the end of the date, but it doesn't take hours and its not all about that). Also the pay is for the whole date, and i didn't set hours but think it takes about 3 hours (maybe 4 if the restaurant has many courses or something).
 
While I do prefer dates without a time restriction myself and don't follow date times strictly, even for escort dates, I do think it is unreasonable to expect an unlimited amount of time if you expect it to be a one off date. If you have a monthly or regular date arrangement then I think it is fine to be open with time. (In fact, I plan to update my ad in classified section to offer a monthly unlimited arrangement).

However, to expect an unlimited time from a woman that you only intend to see once is a little unfair, particularly if you are only paying her an escort's hourly rate for the entire evening/night. In my experience, this is what is expected from UC.
I have some different experiences. Guys usually didn't expect me to stay the whole night, only one expected me to. And i don't think they can force you to do so, if you want to leave after having sex they just have to give the money and let you go. I've never felt very big pressure to stay overnight, most guys don't expect it and an excuse like "last train" or "i have school early tomorrow" is usually enough to leave.
I get your "time is money" point but Ches doesn't wanna be an escort at all so her situation is different of course.
Personally, yes it takes a lot of time, 3, 4 hours, 5 in extreme cases. But most of that time is spend eating, drinking and talking, not between the sheets so that makes it more relaxed and not so hard work. And yea you could be working in the same time but no normal job makes what a sugar baby/escort makes in the same time.

Personally i have positive experience with date clubs, i also signed up with a few who only cater to Japanese speakers and its generally pretty good for me.
 
While I understand that Ches does not wish to be an escort, it does mean she should be taken advantage of either.

Personally, I find the conversation can vary on date club dates. I'm not someone to leave long silences or check my phone during dinner and so the gentleman has my full attention during the entire date. While on many dates the conversation clicks and flows easily, it does take two for a conversation to work.

I find the exchanges in email before meeting for SA or escort dates greatly improves the experience. Being thrown into dinner with a stranger will never be easy every time.

While I also have joined several Japanese only clubs, I found the experience to be much the same. Again, I would not recommend.
But if the woman has different goals, perhabs it's better to view it in that context. For instance, one woman is highly focused on pulling the maximum amount of money from men, where the other woman is more interested in forming lasting relationships with compensated fun. In the latter, the woman isn't being taken advantage of or seeking to take advantage of the men she is with, but create mutual benefit.

The goals of mutual benefit and wanting enjoyable experiences with men versus beating men out of money in business transactions can be quite different.
 
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The conversation is too good and interesting (and different from most recent ones on TAG) that I cannot keep my "promise" to stay out of it made in an earlier post. "So sue me", as we say in NYC!

they have some rich clients!

The guys pay good money for membership and to get UC to set up a date with you so once you have an appointment you are sure it's a guy with a good job, while seeking arrangement for example can NOT guarantee this.

For an SB wanting a long-term arrangement, another big plus of dates from UC is that the men are not only likely to be able to afford it as @User#8628 points out but are also very likely to live in Tokyo or at least spend A LOT of time here in order to justify the expense of the membership fees and the effort/time to be interviewed by UC staff. By contrast a large fraction, the majority I suspect, of the SDs that contact Tokyo SBs via SA are business travelers simply passing through town briefly, very often not even for a full week. These men simply are not in a position to be a long-term SD even if they could afford it (and many could not).

-Ww
 
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Here's my 2 cents worth on the duration of sugar dates issue: People's ideas of how much sugar situations should resemble conventional dating vs resembling conventional p4p/prostitution vary all over the map. For those who want it to resemble conventional dating as much as possible (a group which includes me), it seems obvious that the duration of the dates should be determined in the same way it is for conventional dates, i.e., by some sort of mutual agreement worked out either explicitly or implicitly between the two people. In other words, if you are an SB and feel that the dates are taking too long, it might be good to proceed in the same way you would if they were completely conventional dates.

When sugar dating goes very well, the cases that really make it the most worthwhile imo, both people are trying to spend as much time together as they can manage...just like conventional dating! In fact, that is a pretty good way to judge how well things are going in a sugar arrangement.

-Ww
 
Yes, a mutual benefiting relationship should always be the goal for everyone, whether sugar baby, escort or gentleman.

However, wanting to form relationships with have compensated fun does not always equate mutual benefit. It really is case by case, depending on what each party is seeking. There are plenty of men who wish to beat women in transactions as well.

I agree with you to an extent, but I'm concerned about the definition of mutal beneficial. What I'm referring to is that both the man and woman are getting what they want out of the interaction or relationship, which can be beyond money or sex.

In my experiences and talking with the sugar-babies that I met and spent time with, they had different goals than escorts. As you alluded to, each woman is different.

For instance, sugar-babies may not be interested in having sex with random men and trying to beat them out of the most money for the shortest period of time.

Instead, they may want to create more comfortable relationships with men that they like, only deal with certain men they like specifically; to include getting more fun, passion, "love", mentoring, and/or adventure out of the interaction. She may also have a job or career outside of sex work and identifies mainly with that, or she doesn't see herself as a sex worker (though I understand the debate about this).

For example, sugar-babies that I had relationships with would act as wing-women, join sex orgies, hang out at the house for the weekend, leave clothes at the house, clean, laundry (her's included), we cook for each other, call up and ask to go hang out or go on trips together, etc... Things that escorts or arguably "true" sex worker professionals would not, because they are under a stricter business transaction mindset and impose time or per transaction type restrictions. And such a mindset doesn't usually allow for as much fun or the development of such close relationships. Not just by the woman, but by the man too, particularly if it's a more adversarial type transaction. I would say that's a strong difference between escort and sugar-baby, where the man and women might be viewing each other as adversaries.

The interaction with the sugar-baby can approach or be practically defined and feel like boyfriend and girlfriend. Like a girlfriend, but who a guy pays money to. Not unlike a husband, who gives a portion of his salary to his wife. There is money involved, but there are also deep emotional connections as well, or at least a very strong relationship.
 
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For example, sugar-babies that I had relationships with would act as wing-women, join sex orgies, hang out at the house for the weekend, leave clothes at the house, clean, laundry (her's included), we cook for each other, call up and ask to go hang out or go on trips together, etc... Things that escorts or arguably "true" sex worker professionals would not, because they are under a stricter business transaction mindset and impose time or per transaction type restrictions. And such a mindset doesn't usually allow for as much fun or the development of such close relationships. Not just by the woman, but by the man too, particularly if it's a more adversarial type transaction. I would say that's a strong difference between escort and sugar-baby, where the man and women might be viewing each other as adversaries.

The interaction with the sugar-baby can approach or be practically defined and feel like boyfriend and girlfriend. Like a girlfriend, but who a guy pays money to. Not unlike a husband, who gives a portion of his salary to his wife. There is money involved, but there are also deep emotional connections as well, or at least a very strong relationship.

Our experiences often seem so unalike as to be baffling to me, and I describe it as being from different planets etc. But not this time. You describe above the sort of "real" and extensive (i.e., not limited to sex and money) connections that I have also found in the sugar bowl a few times.

Adding some examples with minimal details - Four women I met through sugar dating have chosen to move in with me for periods of weeks to months at a time. With another I am emotionally closer and more honest than with the large majority of the lovers I've ever had in my life. My dates with another woman I see on a sugar basis generally go until we have to separate for some other obligation or engagement one of us has in our schedules; the majority of the time these dates go overnight and are around 24 hours sometimes. One woman I met via SA would fly to wherever I was in the world to spend time with me whenever she could get enough days off from work to make the trip practical. Obviously neither my sugar partner nor I were/are concerned about spending too much time together in these relationships but only about finding ways to have more.

So, it all depends on the people involved...as everyone seems to be saying in their own ways.

One important difference though; when an SB lives with me, I do the laundry for both of us!

-Ww
 
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Wow! I am overwhelmed by all the response. Thank you so much everyone I really appreciate you writing your thoughts and two cents about this topic. I am relatively new to the game and as you already know, I have had my share of unfortunate events, so it is really my pleasure that you guys take time to reply to this post. :)
 
Whichever clubs you will be joinging in the future, do not join the cheap ones.
Some of my escort friends had joined the club called "Legend " but they complain that the male members there are so cheap.

They prefer to use the kosai club to delivery health just because:
1. they get full service
2. they can keep a girl for hours at the same price as they normally pay for like 90 minutes at delivery health shop.

When my friend tells the guy she met through Legend that she couldn't spend longer than 2 hours, he got really pissed off. He said "How could we deepen our relationship if I could spend only two hours with you!?" By the way, the reason why she said she couldn't is because the guy doesn't pay her more than 20,000yen.
According to what I have heard from other ladies of Legend, lots of male members believe girls have joined the club just because they are truly sexually frustrated so simply looking for an affair, not money.

Expensive clubs have more rich, intelligent male members. Your total number of arrangements may be less but more chance to meet the right ones. Don't waste your prescious time.
 
Whichever clubs you will be joinging in the future, do not join the cheap ones.
Some of my escort friends had joined the club called "Legend " but they complain that the male members there are so cheap.

They prefer to use the kosai club to delivery health just because:
1. they get full service
2. they can keep a girl for hours at the same price as they normally pay for like 90 minutes at delivery health shop.

When my friend tells the guy she met through Legend that she couldn't spend longer than 2 hours, he got really pissed off. He said "How could we deepen our relationship if I could spend only two hours with you!?" By the way, the reason why she said she couldn't is because the guy doesn't pay her more than 20,000yen.
According to what I have heard from other ladies of Legend, lots of male members believe girls have joined the club just because they are truly sexually frustrated so simply looking for an affair, not money.

Expensive clubs have more rich, intelligent male members. Your total number of arrangements may be less but more chance to meet the right ones. Don't waste your prescious time.
I think that perhabs a woman might want to be careful about such thinking. A person can overlook things or hurt themselves by limiting their options. It might not be obvious to them at first, but be something realized or regretted much later.

And for every woman, the guy(s) with or seem to have the most money might not be the best, because he has more options. Especially if she not a woman at that top level beauty and/or sexual skill wise. I'm just saying, confidence is good, but one shouldn't be delusional. Anyway, such top level guys can be more likely to pass over or dump women and move on to the next.

In my "sugar-daddy" phases and experiments, my friends and I created sugar-baby relationships or struck short term sugar-like deals in unconventional ways. Like through deai cafes, regular dating websites, Craigslist, etc...

One of the things friends and I did was chipped in and experimented paying a few women, so they were like our quasi-employees. In the case of 2 women, it worked out astonishingly well, for a good while. By the way, maybe some of you TAG members might want to go that route.

Women can apply this in reverse. Instead of trying to get hooked by the 1 big money bags, they can collect a few to several guys. Think of it like an escort that has a few to several very steady customers. She cuts off having to meet random unknown guys, but collects a group of guys she meets consistently and knows very well.

In this way, where she collects them from is less of an issue, and it can possibly be more about how she feels and her personal interest in them is more of a factor.
 
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Whichever clubs you will be joinging in the future, do not join the cheap ones.
Some of my escort friends had joined the club called "Legend " but they complain that the male members there are so cheap.

They prefer to use the kosai club to delivery health just because:
1. they get full service
2. they can keep a girl for hours at the same price as they normally pay for like 90 minutes at delivery health shop.

When my friend tells the guy she met through Legend that she couldn't spend longer than 2 hours, he got really pissed off. He said "How could we deepen our relationship if I could spend only two hours with you!?" By the way, the reason why she said she couldn't is because the guy doesn't pay her more than 20,000yen.
According to what I have heard from other ladies of Legend, lots of male members believe girls have joined the club just because they are truly sexually frustrated so simply looking for an affair, not money.

Expensive clubs have more rich, intelligent male members. Your total number of arrangements may be less but more chance to meet the right ones. Don't waste your prescious time.
I good date club will tell a guy who wants to set up a date on the phone how much the girl will be expecting.
The regular example of a date is dinner or maybe drinks + FS and takes about 3~5 hours. As for charges 30.000 is normal for a very average Japanese girl, 50.000 is normal for a stunner. In Universe Club, many of the blonde girls expect 70.000, but in the lower level Japanese date clubs the highest you can ask is probably 50.000.

Anyway, it's the duty of a good club to communicate expectation of both sides so there wont be trouble during the date. So that legend club definitely sounds bad. Universe Club is not perfect but especially since they changed the systhem that its not visible on your profile anymore, i felt like they communicated my expectations well to the men.
 
Universe Club is not perfect but especially since they changed the systhem that its not visible on your profile anymore, i felt like they communicated my expectations well to the men.

I could do this business easily and do it properly... I can't believe how muddled some of the services are. :rolleyes: For the money they charge at joining... it should be a better experience on both sides of the fence.
 
Start your own club! ;)

I just might! But, TAG first. (or even an extension of TAG, lol!)

In Universe Club, many of the blonde girls expect 70.000, but in the lower level Japanese date clubs the highest you can ask is probably 50.000.

For the 50,000, is that 2-3 hours expected? Or what amount of time?
 
I just might! But, TAG first. (or even an extension of TAG, lol!)



For the 50,000, is that 2-3 hours expected? Or what amount of time?
Like 3~4 hours i think. Could be 2 or 5 in some cases. Just having dinner/lunch and drinking and talking and the hotel room time.Overnights are not so common and things like shopping or going some special place to date are maybe better on a next date. Also things like overnights, shopping spending money and change in her price for one date (or making a monthly arrangement) could be discussed with the girl if a guy has more following up dates with her but the first date is usually getting to know each other over some food and drinks.
 
I could do this business easily and do it properly... I can't believe how muddled some of the services are. :rolleyes: For the money they charge at joining... it should be a better experience on both sides of the fence.

You wouldn't need to do it well at all to do it better! :D

It would be fantastic to have an even semi-competently run date club that provided connections with UC quality women. One actually run properly would be a dream.

The challenge in getting a dating club up and into profitable operation, from what I hear, is getting the male members signed up. This requires a considerable investment in advertising and establishing a good reputation among men interested in dating clubs. Basically it is easier to get women to sign up for a new club because they are not risking much other than the time needed to arrange for their profiles etc. It does not prevent them from signing up with any number of other clubs if they wish. However, you have to convince men that they are better off paying membership fees to your club than with to competing clubs.

-Ww
 
I think that perhabs a woman might want to be careful about such thinking. A person can overlook things or hurt themselves by limiting their options. It might not be obvious to them at first, but be something realized or regretted much later.

And for every woman, the guy(s) with or seem to have the most money might not be the best, because he has more options. Especially if she not a woman at that top level beauty and/or sexual skill wise. I'm just saying, confidence is good, but one shouldn't be delusional. Anyway, such top level guys can be more likely to pass over or dump women and move on to the next.

In my "sugar-daddy" phases and experiments, my friends and I created sugar-baby relationships or struck short term sugar-like deals in unconventional ways. Like through deai cafes, regular dating websites, Craigslist, etc...

One of the things friends and I did was chipped in and experimented paying a few women, so they were like our quasi-employees. In the case of 2 women, it worked out astonishingly well, for a good while. By the way, maybe some of you TAG members might want to go that route.

Women can apply this in reverse. Instead of trying to get hooked by the 1 big money bags, they can collect a few to several guys. Think of it like an escort that has a few to several very steady customers. She cuts off having to meet random unknown guys, but collects a group of guys she meets consistently and knows very well.

In this way, where she collects them from is less of an issue, and it can possibly be more about how she feels and her personal interest in them is more of a factor.

This is just so soo wrong for me. In my personal opinion, quality is always better than quantity. Think of it this way, I'd rather buy one high quality work shoe that will last me for a very long time, than keep buying cheap ones that will wear and tear after very few uses, and you would need to buy another again which is very wasteful of time, hassle and in the end you actually spend more.

Just like in sugar bowl, it is better to stick to one high quality SD than date with multiple cheapstakes, not to mention it is extremely hard to come by meet nice SD these days (read my previous post about meeting potential SD).

The point is, in the perspective of a woman, mine specifically, get the top notch man and provide him with top notch companionship. Cheapstakes can get girls in P4P but not really much of the quality girls. If you want a real courtesan, you must invest.

These, of course, are my personal beliefs and just stating my opinion. :)
 
You wouldn't need to do it well at all to do it better! :D

It would be fantastic to have an even semi-competently run date club that provided connections with UC quality women. One actually run properly would be a dream.

The challenge in getting a dating club up and into profitable operation, from what I hear, is getting the male members signed up. This requires a considerable investment in advertising and establishing a good reputation among men interested in dating clubs. Basically it is easier to get women to sign up for a new club because they are not risking much other than the time needed to arrange for their profiles etc. It does not prevent them from signing up with any number of other clubs if they wish. However, you have to convince men that they are better off paying membership fees to your club than with to competing clubs.

-Ww
It's definitely the most difficult part to find men who are willing to sign up and also to have those men regulary asking for a date with some of the girls.

Univerce Club as many clumsy staff but they are a legit company with a big clientele that has money to spend, althought some of them are stingy or make trouble in other ways.
 
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This is just so soo wrong for me...
The point is, in the perspective of a woman, mine specifically, get the top notch man and provide him with top notch companionship...

I understand what you are saying, but it doesn't work, where every woman sees herself as the highest virtual gold queen and demands or deserves top dollar from the highest ranking man. Nor is every woman providing the highest level service. Yes, some people hit big pay days gambling or playing Lotto, but does everyone?

Consequently, there is an element of delusion and arrogance at play, and where the woman may not be making the best business decisions. It can be better to have a very steady and consistent cash flow from a group of men, versus waiting around for Mr. Perfect to come. A woman can find that never happens and gets old, or find it and can only hold it temporarily then loses it.

And the money and time can be the same. Where her having a few or several steady well paying guys = the money she was hoping to get from 1 super rich guy. Often the sugar-baby is jumping from guy to guy or selling herself to a series of guys anyway.
 
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I understand what you are saying, but it doesn't work, where every woman sees herself as the highest virtual gold queen and demands or deserves top dollar from the highest ranking man. Nor is every woman providing the highest level service. Yes, some people hit big pay days gambling or playing Lotto, but does everyone?

Consequently, there is an element of delusion and arrogance at play, and where the woman may not be making the best business decisions. It can be better to have a very steady and consistent cash flow from a group of men, versus waiting around for Mr. Perfect to come. A woman can find that never happens and gets old, or find it and can only hold it temporarily then loses it.

And the money and time can be the same. Where her having a few or several steady well paying guys = the money she was hoping to get from 1 super rich guy. Often the sugar-baby is jumping from guy to guy or selling herself to a series of guys anyway.

I guess different things work for different people. I think you are right, at some degree, what might work for me may not work for others.

And that is the reason why I probably earn the least here. I only stick to one, of course, even if the guy gives really huge allowance, it wont compare to real working per hour setting.

However, in my case, the money is just another bonus. I love the experience itself. Being taken to a nice expensive restaurant, high class hotel, and other places that I really couldn't afford on my own, is such a great deal for me.

On top of that, SD are usually highly professional people. They are really busy and people doesn't really get that opportunity to mingle with them at that level, which kinda makes me feel good that oh, this really hot professional guy, actually wanna spends some time with me even if I know, his time is extremely limited and valuable.

SD are gentlemen. They know how to treat women right. They don't boss around her and they seemed very down to earth, at least in my experience. Not only that, SD are amazing communicators, given that some seemed to have very formal and businesslike demeanor, if you get them to open up to you, and you break the ice, you will have the most awesome conversation of your life. They are up there for a reason, and mostly that reason is they are doing something right in their life, and that's the kind of people I wanna associate with.
 
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@Ches has described me almost perfectly! :D

That said, from what I have heard from multiple SBs, there are all sorts of guys to be found (or avoided) in the SD-pool, so to speak...including some that are pretty much the opposite of what @Ches describes. So, caveat emptor...as always.

In any case, whatever SDs may be like as a group, the sorts of characteristics @Ches mentions are very frequently seen in the "What I'm Looking For" section of SB profiles on SA. For example, I just opened up the SA site and found the following "What I'm Looking For" on the third SB profile I picked at random:

Good manner,mature,clean,honest,strong,smart,cultured charm,refine,loyal ,gentle,healthy,wealthy,decent,tall ,spoiler,sporty and generous sugar daddy looking. Menthorship and support Companionship,traveling,friendship,lover and mutually relationship benefit Help and support financially. Rich personality,soul,character,strong,mind, spirit, beauty and in goals .

Not a native English-speaker clearly, but the intent is crystal clear.

Moreover, not only do SBs list many desirables beyond financial support in their profiles, in my experience they very often mean it. In other words, they will reject generous SDs who otherwise do not meet their criteria.

This is one dramatic way in which sugar dating and most other forms of p4p differ dramatically.

-Ww