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With Friday night open I decided to contact one of the girls I had dated before. A very cute 23 year old. She was open to a date at short notice so we got together for the evening starting with a nice Italian dinner. Turned put it was her birthday in a week so we made it a birthday dinner. I can honestly say that my chances to date a cute 23 year old Japanese girl under 'normal' circumstances would be basically zero.

Having dated a few girls now from UC it has given me a few options when I have some time.

I have established a nice relationship with one girl, someone I can now call a regular. We both understand the boundaries of what we are doing and have a great time when we meet.

So while the initial cost has been a little steep it has worked out well.

There are some more girls from UC that I would like to date but with some established contact with a few girls I can take my time and see them when I get a chance.

All in all it continues to be a great experience.

SN...
 
Thanks SN! Guess it's time for an update from me too ;)

So far I've been on three first dates, one dinner only (my choice), and I continue to be very pleased with UC. All of the girls so far have been great company and fun to spend time with. One did have to cancel fairly last minute but within a few hours UC had gotten us rescheduled for a few days later. She was very apologetic, but it's difficult to be too upset when you've got a date with a model who had a sudden photo shoot rescheduling ;)

There are a couple more girls I'd like to meet, but like SN said I'm in no hurry as I've established contact with a couple I already know are great company and am familiar with.

I can honestly say that UC is pretty close to ideal for me. It's a fabulous way to arrange a no-strings-attached relationship with girls you'd be unlikely to meet otherwise and there's always more variety when you want it.
 
Something that I don't believe was ever gone into detail was whether or not the girls that you all have been meeting speak English at all? I do remember reading in the beginning of this thread that the profiles went more in-depth into this, but I was wondering about the girls you guys selected to date.

How is your Japanese? How is their English? Or is there just a lot of smiling/body language?
 
The profiles list the girls English speaking ability as None, Basic, Conversational or Advanced. And can be filtered by this category. As for myself my Japanese is really not good enough to sustain a date although I did date one girl with no English, forced me to try to use what I knew, was quite fun, have seen her a few more times. The levels attributed to the girls may be slightly ahead of the girls true ability so for those with little or no Japanese try Conversational or Advanced.

UC have an English website too. As a guess 70% of the total number of girls have an English language profile. Of that about 15 to 20% have some English ability listed. So there plenty of choices for dates with girls who speak English.

Hope this helps.

SN
 
Fwiiw, I have my first UC "setting"/date set for tonight and am anxious/excited to see how it goes. Will report back in due course.

Arranging it was a protracted and somewhat time consuming process, but that is at least 99% due to my very complicated and changing-on-short-notice schedule. The UC folks were very patient and accommodating in working something out for me.

I am getting this one on the "trial membership" promotion (i.e., no membership fee, only a setting fee), but from what I've seen so far, I'm quite likely to become a member in the future.

-Ww
 
Wwanderer said:
Fwiiw, I have my first UC "setting"/date set for tonight and am anxious/excited to see how it goes. Will report back in due course.
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Short form report: a win!

Longer form report: Like others who have posted above about their UC dates, I don't feel it appropriate to report the sort of details I would if it had been a date with a pro, but here are the basics. The date consisted of dinner in a nice but not extravagant restaurant followed by a couple of hours in an upscale, but not wildly so, LH. Communication was fine/ok but required both of us to "work at it" a good bit, certainly not an effortless and fluid conversation. The mood was upbeat and fun, no significant awkwardness, and the physical part of the date was excellent and very satisfying to me. She definitely convinced me that she was having a good time too! My date's profile on the UC site was totally accurate and on-target in all respects; I wouldn't know how to improve on it even after spending several hours with her.

Overall, the evening didn't quite feel like a "real" date, but pretty close...much more so than a typical experience with a pro (though there are exceptions of course). My date and I exchanged phone numbers and email addys and have been in touch already today. So, I can see her again without any further involvement of UC. My guess is that seeing her in the future will feel even more natural and less commercial/professional.

Bottom line is that I would recommend UC as an excellent Tokyo option to anyone who is interested in dating-type experiences with authentic non-pro women and who can afford the UC fees without too much financial stress. Assuming that you use their services reasonably often and/or see a given SB from UC a significant number of times, you would surely spend just as much or more seeing comparably attractive and fun pro-escorts for dinner dates or overnights. Also, I did not spend anything close to the amounts on dinner and hotel mentioned in some of the earlier posts in this thread; dinner and the hotel were around JPY12,000 each, fwiiw.

A major thanks to meiji, SN, drewz and all, including TAG itself, who pointed the UC option out to me and provided all the info that allowed me to be comfortable trying it and making the most of my first UC date. Thanks, guys!

-Ww
 
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Nice report. Glad to hear you considered it a win.

Pretty much matches my experiences with UC so far.

With respect to dinners and hotels I have also scaled back a little from some of my earlier dates. It appears that most of the girls are just fine with a decent LH. UC lead me to think a proper hotel was more appropriate, at least on the first date, but considering overnight dates have not been on the agenda, LHs have been more than OK with the girls.

Also nice that she contacted you already. A good sign and also a good feeling, has been for me anyway.

Hope it continues to be a good experience.

SN.
 
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The evening didn't quite feel like a "real" date, but pretty close...much more so than a typical experience with a pro (though there are exceptions of course). My date and I exchanged phone numbers and email addys and have been in touch already today. So, I can see her again without any further involvement of UC. My guess is that seeing her in the future will feel even more natural and less commercial/professional.
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Welcome to the club! I continue to enjoy UC as well, and IMHO the defining and most appealing characteristic is that a UC date is indeed very close to a real date.

Of course given the categorization system and purpose of the club you generally know what to expect which may eliminate some of that often enjoyable uncertainty and gamesmanship involved in dating. And neither party generally has any intention of genuine romance which limits the time and emotion invested into UC dating.

Still, all of my UC dates have been just that, genuinely pleasant dates with real girls. Great companionship, good company, and fun physically. In fact much better than many genuine dates given how crazy some people are ;-)

Cost is certainly a factor, but as a comparison AM's "dinner course" is Y65k and very few UC girls ask that much. And no offense to the AM girls, I've never gone to dinner with one, but I imagine dining out with a UC girl is far preferable!
 
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Crap! I managed to erase my report in the process of trying to add the paragraph of thanks to it!
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Report fixed, not exactly the same as the original, but the same basic content.

-Ww
 
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With respect to dinners and hotels I have also scaled back a little from some of my earlier dates. It appears that most of the girls are just fine with a decent LH. UC lead me to think a proper hotel was more appropriate, at least on the first date, but considering overnight dates have not been on the agenda, LHs have been more than OK with the girls.
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Interestingly, when I asked UC about the level of hotel and restaurant that would be appropriate (based in large part on your and other posts here), the advice I received was that it was not necessary to go way upscale on the restaurant and that a nice LH would be fine.

So, maybe UC has recently modified its concept of what the ladies find acceptable...or maybe you just struck them as more well-heeled than me!

My date was "gold" level, btw.

-Ww
 
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Of course given the categorization system and purpose of the club you generally know what to expect which may eliminate some of that often enjoyable uncertainty and gamesmanship involved in dating.
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If you want the "thrill of the chase" aspect in a UC date (and I do understand its appeal), I guess you could pick women whose profile includes category 2 but not category 3. This means that they are only interested in going to a hotel after dinner if the "chemistry" is right...as I understand the system.

-Ww
 
Recent info from UC is that generally they are trying to make it a more affordable experience. So realistic date fees from the girls and reasonable expectations on dinner and hotels. I guess also in the beginning I thought an overnight stay might be a possibility and then a standard hotel appeared a good idea but having done 5 new dates now the overnight is elusive even for multi-repeat dates.

All but one of my dates has been Gold, the other was a Platinum.

And yes, a girl with a 2 but no 3 would in theory be the choice to create some more uncertainty as to the way the night might end. I myself have dated 1234 girls and 34 girls plus a 14 that clearly meant dinner only.

And appreciate the 'thank you' even at the cost of the original post. :)

SN
 
Wwanderer said:
If you want the "thrill of the chase" aspect in a UC date (and I do understand its appeal), I guess you could pick women whose profile includes category 2 but not category 3. This means that they are only interested in going to a hotel after dinner if the "chemistry" is right...as I understand the system.
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Haha yeah, but the reason a girl is not categorized as a '3' seems to vary significantly from girl to girl. The notes often indicate if a girl is a particularly hard nut to crack or is just a little cautious but probably open to more, but I've seen the 3 drop from girls who had it before too.

In the end that was more a comment on romantic dating vs UC. The chase is great, but when the prize is permission to pay her for a good time, well... kinda beside the point isn't it? Aside from the physical enjoyment winning a chase is fun because the girl wants you, not your money ;-)
 
Now that we've got a few members of TAG in the UC club, I'm very curious to hear other opinions about a couple of things. The UC girls I've seen have been relatively terrible kissers, generally avoiding tongue action, as well as making rather annoying porn-like sounds. Has this been other people's experience as well?

I've dated a fair number of JP girls outside of UC and never experienced that sort of thing before UC.
 
Serenity Now said:
Recent info from UC is that generally they are trying to make it a more affordable experience. So realistic date fees from the girls and reasonable expectations on dinner and hotels.
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Interesting. I wonder how they are doing, profit-wise. It would be a shame if the service went away due to not getting enough business. It has a little "too good to be true" feeling to it to me as is.

I guess also in the beginning I thought an overnight stay might be a possibility and then a standard hotel appeared a good idea but having done 5 new dates now the overnight is elusive even for multi-repeat dates.
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In my mind a big issue with booking a standard hotel room is that you would have to commit to the cost before you find out if you actually need the room (since it would be far too late to cancel a reservation without a fee by the time dinner is finished). I guess you could try to get a room after dinner without a reservation, but this sounds like a hassle and potentially awkward if the hotel you want has no vacancies.

And yes, a girl with a 2 but no 3 would in theory be the choice to create some more uncertainty as to the way the night might end. I myself have dated 1234 girls and 34 girls plus a 14 that clearly meant dinner only.
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Listing both 2 and 3 seems inconsistent to me, and the UC rep agreed when I asked him. I really can't see what is meant by profiles with both 2 and 3; which of them applies??? UC seems to feel that it "usually" means 3 but that the ladies feel more comfortable giving themselves an out, at least nominally, by including a 2. Maybe they are just more comfortable in their self-image with the 2 but also want the additional business that a 3 (presumably) brings. Some sort of female "double think". I dunno...??

-Ww
 
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Now that we've got a few members of TAG in the UC club, I'm very curious to hear other opinions about a couple of things. The UC girls I've seen have been relatively terrible kissers, generally avoiding tongue action, as well as making rather annoying porn-like sounds. Has this been other people's experience as well?

I've dated a fair number of JP girls outside of UC and never experienced that sort of thing before UC.
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At this point I have of course have only a single datum to contribute to your "survey". Both the patterns you mention applied to my first and (so far) only UC date, although the kissing definitely warmed up to an acceptable level once the action got seriously going. I've also heard worse (more annoying) J-porn-squeak sounds from non-UC and non-pro J women. I sort of doubt that UC asks them to sound like that...certainly hope not!

-Ww
 
Another question for the more experienced UC members here - Have you noticed any significant difference between the gold and platinum level ladies? Or, for that matter, between the levels in general, standard to black?

-Ww
 
Seemingly avoiding to kiss or a weird non effort in kissing, is a well known cultural habit of many Japanese women in sexual services or even Japanese women that are having an affair. This phenomenon is common in swinger circles that I have been in as well.

She might have the thinking that kissing or deep tongue kissing is reserved for their husband, boyfriend, or if they think you are special. If it's just 1 night sex or paid sex, she may try to avoid lip/tongue kissing.

My friends and I had this situation many times over the years in Japan, where a Japanese woman would give a blow job FIRST, even instead of kissing on the lips. It weird by Western cultural standards, but Japan is a different place.

A guy can force the issue of a kiss, but then it can get very awkward or result in bad kissing, because she gives only an odd half effort.

It is often better, based on experience and if you are in a hotel, to proceed with oral sex first. If she is in the heat of the sexual moment, she may become more willing or a much better lip/tongue kisser.

The porn girl sounds is often based on what Japanese women think guys want to hear. This is usually conditioning from Japanese guys. Many Japanese women don't realize that such sounds might be a turn off or sound fake to foreign guys. Some guys like the distinct high pitch Japanese sex sounds, and some don't. However, a lot of Japanese women don't know which guys like what.
 
I am pretty sure Solong is on the right track re the UC gals' reluctance to kiss deeply (often called DFK = Deep French Kissing in mongering circles). The whole topic/activity has a complicated and sort of weird history in the West too.

In decades past, before there was any online commercial sex presence (or indeed before there was much presence of anything online) it was quite rare to find an escort who would provide DFK to her customers. I always thought it odd since the same women routinely did all sorts of things considered far more intimate in the world of "civilian" sex at the time. I sometimes asked why and got a variety of answers. Some said that it was because they wanted to reserve at least one sexual activity for their real romantic partners. Some said that they felt DFK was an easy way to catch diseases (no condoms for tongues!), ordinary colds or the flu as well as STDs. Some said that it just "feels more personal because it is face-to-face" or something of the sort. Etc.

When the internet became a leading prostitution "stroll" and the market thus became far more transparent, DFK gradually became more common in the commercial sex world in the US and Europe, especially the US. Mongers let it be known that they wanted it and often complained about escorts who kissed poorly or praised those who got into kissing deeply. The women felt pressure to DFK to attract more customers. Etc.

Interestingly, I have read and heard (but have no way of knowing first hand, of course) that current day American adolescents often consider DFK more intimate, or more "gross", than oral sex...a complete and stark reversal of the attitudes compared to when I was that age! Bill Clinton's influence maybe?

Anyway, even aside from Japanese-Western cultural differences, attitudes toward DFK seem to vary a lot over time and place and individual.

-Ww
 
In terms of reducing cost I think they are encouraging girls to set more realistic date fees. One girl I dated dropped her fee after our first date and was happy to accept the lower fee on a subsequent date. I have not had the sense that UC are struggling financially, just trying to be competitive against other operations, and I believe there are quite a few.

Can I assume you will become a paid up member? :)

I have always taken the 2 & 3 as a way for the girl to have more room to end the date after dinner if she does not feel comfortable with the date. A 3 only is basically saying the date goes beyond dinner and perhaps obligates her to a greater degree. The 2 & 3 has been a reasonable dating type, at least in my opinion.

SN.
 
I have dated Gold & Platinum but have not been able to see a major difference. Yes, the Platinum girls appear to be younger but I have not been disappointed with the Gold level dates. I joined as a Platinum but in retrospect would have joined as Gold and would re-up as Gold. Never dated a Black level girl. One Standard I dated was a 14 so dinner only. And by and large the Gold level girls appear to be asking more realistic date fees and of course the one-off UC fee is lower.

SN.
 
And finally on French Kissing and noise.

Had one girl who was pretty open to French Kissing but by and large it has been the same experience as Drewz too, either a no-go or poor.

On the noise front it has been varied. Some of the girls do make more scripted noise but some don't. Hasn't bothered me too much either way as it has never been over the top.

SN.
 
Serenity Now said:
In terms of reducing cost I think they are encouraging girls to set more realistic date fees. One girl I dated dropped her fee after our first date and was happy to accept the lower fee on a subsequent date. I have not had the sense that UC are struggling financially, just trying to be competitive against other operations, and I believe there are quite a few.
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UC mentioned to me that many/some of the women reduce their fees when they see a guy repeatedly...although it isn't clear to me how UC would even know that.

Can I assume you will become a paid up member? :)
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Yes...though not until I return to Tokyo a few months from now; I'm about to flee the summer weather a few days from now.

I have always taken the 2 & 3 as a way for the girl to have more room to end the date after dinner if she does not feel comfortable with the date. A 3 only is basically saying the date goes beyond dinner and perhaps obligates her to a greater degree. The 2 & 3 has been a reasonable dating type, at least in my opinion.
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I guess a simple way to look at it is that a 2 & 3 = 2.5! :D

-Ww
 
Yes, 2.5, good take on that one.

On the reduced fees, agreed that I am not sure UC would know and if the guy contacts the girl for another date I see no motivation for her to lower her fee. Certainly has not been my experience, exception being the girl who lowered her advertised fee in her profile, but of course that was in general.

Enjoy summer somewhere cooler.

SN.
 
I am interested in trying the trial plan at first but would like to know how much do the girls ask for?!!
I already know about the sitting price and registering price. The thing that I can't figure out is how much do the girls ask as an average.
 
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