What's your endgame?

[verdentgreen21]

I've been doing the P4P for about 2 years now. Japan has perfected the industry IMO. I can call an agency, then 30 min later be balls deep in a Japanese girl.

Dating is too much work and boring. I'm relatively young (25) and have a well paying career. Anyways, I went to a soapland for the 4th time this month, and the post nut clarity hit hard.

Not sure if it's the alcohol or an early existential crisis, maybe both, but I'm just fucking depressed. I thought I wanted a life of pumping and dumping, then moving on to the next one. Do that for 30 years till my heart gives out from all the Adderall and prostitutes.

A bad breakup steered me to the scene. Settling down and having a family is gay.I just need some advice from some experienced veterans on here. What is the point of it all?

 

[Durg50]

I only really got into p4p after getting married. During my 20s i enjoyed the thrill of the chase going after regular hook-ups not p4p. Kinda thought p4p was for weirdos, but in hindsight wish id known more about it when i was younger- couldve played it a lot cooler on a few second and third dates if id had some good post-nut clarity.

endgame for me is when i get bored of it, sex drive already starting to slightly decline (typically can only do 3 shots in a two hour session now, and crave sex slightly less than younger times ie couple times a week gets me by, as opposed to couple times a day)

 

[verdentgreen21]

I only really got into p4p after getting married. During my 20s i enjoyed the thrill of the chase going after regular hook-ups not p4p. Kinda thought p4p was for weirdos, but in hindsight wish id known more about it when i was younger- couldve played it a lot cooler on a few second and third dates if id had some good post-nut clarity.

endgame for me is when i get bored of it, sex drive already starting to slightly decline (typically can only do 3 shots in a two hour session now, and crave sex slightly less than younger times in couple times a week gets me by, as opposed to couple times a day)

You're married!? I'm no judge, but a marriage where I can still P4P is too good to be true..

I'll do both, but I get nothing from the chase. Other than sex. It's just a extra work. Even though my sex drive is still high and I enjoy it, I'm worried I got into the game too early.

I'm already bored. My tastes are rather vanilla. I'm not interested in pushing the boundary but that's prob where it's heading.

 

[MikeH]

What is the point of it all?

There is no point, entropy is winning and we will all end up dead anyways.

The solution is simple though and works for many other problems too: get hotter girls.

You can also mix it up, chase the non-working tail too and with this, like @Durg50 said, p4p helps you a lot because you are not desperate to nut but can act cool and collected. Chicks dig that shit.

 

[Ken4fb]

Anyways, I went to a soapland for the 4th time this month, and the post nut clarity hit hard.

The problem maybe not about p4p. It may be for the soap land's experience.

What I noticed is soap land is very vanilla. You can have sex, but that's all. No MMF, MMFF, no sex toys. Some girls even doesn't want a foreplay.

SB , and independent are much more fun in that regard. Some of the independent girl doesn't even change for private time, if you have been seeing them long enough and clicked with them. Some do charge for the non play time but at least you do have a choice.

What is the point of it all?

What's the point of all this? It is a hobby. What's the point for drinking, clubbing, playing videogames, watching movies (insert your favorite hobbies here) ?

It's a hobby that gave you an experience. That's how I view p4p. It just a different kinds of experience of life. Enjoy it while you can.

 

[verdentgreen21]

You can also mix it up, chase the non-working tail too and with this, like @Durg50 said, p4p helps you a lot because you are not desperate to nut but can act cool and collected. Chicks dig that shit.

Yeah maybe it's time to take a break. See what other girls are out in the real world.

 

[verdentgreen21]

what's the point of all this? It is a hobby. What's the point for drinking, clubbing, playing videogames, watching movies (insert your favorite hobbies here) ?

It's a hobby that gave you an experience. That's how I view p4p. It just a different kinds of experience of life. Enjoy it while you can.

I think you're on to something. I gotta refine my tastes and treat it more like a hobby instead of just a quick nut. When I was young I'd drink anything to get shitfaced, now I only drink suntory to get shitfaced.

 

[Frenchy]

Personally I think I reached my “endgame”
Not that much obsessed by sex anymore, being with a caring , honest SB (they exist, like 1% or so I suppose but they exist!) and satisfied enough not to look elsewhere anymore.
Maybe I will try again with an escort , just to see how it feels, but quite certain the service won’t justify the price , so why bother…

 

[Ken4fb]

being with a caring , honest SB (they exist, like 1% or so I suppose but they exist!) and satisfied enough not to look elsewhere anymore.

Lucky you!

Me:

 

[Keihan]

I've been doing the P4P for about 2 years now. Japan has perfected the industry IMO. I can call an agency, then 30 min later be balls deep in a Japanese girl.

Dating is too much work and boring. I'm relatively young (25) and have a well paying career. Anyways, I went to a soapland for the 4th time this month, and the post nut clarity hit hard.

Not sure if it's the alcohol or an early existential crisis, maybe both, but I'm just fucking depressed. I thought I wanted a life of pumping and dumping, then moving on to the next one. Do that for 30 years till my heart gives out from all the Adderall and prostitutes.

A bad breakup steered me to the scene. Settling down and having a family is gay.I just need some advice from some experienced veterans on here. What is the point of it all?

Let me be perfectly honest with you.

1) You're 25 years old, and that means you DO NOT KNOW SHIT. Life has way more in store for you and you have no business thinking about an "end game."

2) At your age, you're still supposed to be relying on dating for sex. Sure, P4P is great on occasion but your focus is supposed to be on the dating game.

3) Don't take this the wrong way, but you seem mentally/emotionally fragile. That's not a knock as a lot of young guys are, but that's probably why you find yourself pondering such bullshit at your age. In 20 years, you'll look back and see how ridiculous this post was.

4) Don't get me wrong. If all you truly want to do is tap P4P ass six ways to Sunday for however much longer your dick works properly, go in peace. But that's obviously not the case, hence your post. Refer to #3, I think you're young, emotionally inexperienced and got into P4P because you couldn't get over a silly youthful relationship that, in the long run, doesn't mean shit because your early 20s are precisely when you're supposed to be dating, breaking up, dating, breaking up, ad nauseum. Man up, forget about the bitch and go chase some new ass. Otherwise you'll blink and wake up 45 years old and lonely.

I was your age when I lived in Japan. I pissed away most of my 20s there. And not once during that time did I get seriously involved in any P4P. Trust me, you've probably got about five years max of proper dick function left so you'll want to capitalize on those years pumping as much nanpa ass as possible and finding a wife. Then, once you're comfortably settled in your 30s, you can stock up on generic sildenafil, rejoin the P4P circuit, come back here and the shit most of us old fucks here drone on about will make a lot more sense.

 

[Frenchy]

Lucky you!

Me:

ah ah thanks ! But you know, people, feelings, relationships, it’s always changing , so who knows what will happen next

(and the prize for the most corny, cliché comment goes to Frenchy! Yay!)

 

[Frenchy]

Let me be perfectly honest with you.

1) You're 25 years old, and that means you DO NOT KNOW SHIT. Life has way more in store for you and you have no business thinking about an "end game."

2) At your age, you're still supposed to be relying on dating for sex. Sure, P4P is great on occasion but your focus is supposed to be on the dating game.

3) Don't take this the wrong way, but you seem mentally/emotionally fragile. That's not a knock as a lot of young guys are, but that's probably why you find yourself pondering such bullshit at your age. In 20 years, you'll look back and see how ridiculous this post was.

4) Don't get me wrong. If all you truly want to do is tap P4P ass six ways to Sunday for however much longer your dick works properly, go in peace. But that's obviously not the case, hence your post. Refer to #3, I think you're young, emotionally inexperienced and got into P4P because you couldn't get over a silly youthful relationship that, in the long run, doesn't mean shit because your early 20s are precisely when you're supposed to be dating, breaking up, dating, breaking up, ad nauseum. Man up, forget about the bitch and go chase some new ass. Otherwise you'll blink and wake up 45 years old and lonely.

I was your age when I lived in Japan. I pissed away most of my 20s there. And not once during that time did I get seriously involved in any P4P. Trust me, you've probably got about five years max of proper dick function left so you'll want to capitalize on those years pumping as much nanpa ass as possible and finding a wife. Then, once you're comfortably settled in your 30s, you can stock up on generic sildenafil, rejoin the P4P circuit, come back here and the shit most of us old fucks here drone on about will make a lot more sense.

you should really consider writing a lifestyle advice column in a newspaper or something . Answering the “Dear Keihan” letters. Im serious , you’re good at that!

 

[Keihan]

you should really consider writing a lifestyle advice column in a newspaper or something . Answering the “Dear Keihan” letters. Im serious , you’re good at that!

Funny you should mention that. One of my first job offers out of college was from the Seattle Times, where one of the senior editors and columnists wanted to try me out in that bullshit "human interest" section. If I did well, I was told, that might've led to a column someday. Then came the salary offer: a mind-blowing $26k/year, with minimal benefits. Even with my math skills it quickly dawned on me that I couldn't even pay my rent or even eat with those numbers. I ended up moving home shortly thereafter, back into my old bedroom, where I'd spend my nights tanking Canadian Mist with Diet Coke, and one fateful night such a bender led me to the website of a company called "NOVA Corporation."

A month later I was sitting in an interview in downtown Seattle, with the NOVA recruiter assuring me I would love Osaka.

Four months after that, I was sitting on the floor of a NOVA KIDS classroom with three or four screaming, stinky children, so angry my hands were trembling and wondering where I went wrong in life.

Funny how life works out.

 

[AMcguyver]

A month later I was sitting in an interview in downtown Seattle, with the NOVA recruiter assuring me I would love Osaka.

Four months after that, I was sitting on the floor of a NOVA KIDS classroom with three or four screaming, stinky children, so angry my hands were trembling and wondering where I went wrong in life.

Funny how life works out.

Hate working with kids. Had a production a while back where they wanted to do an interview piece with little kids and the producer had the bright idea to feed the kids boxes of Krispy Kreme right before we went on air. The horror, the horror…

 

[verdentgreen21]

Let me be perfectly honest with you.

1) You're 25 years old, and that means you DO NOT KNOW SHIT. Life has way more in store for you and you have no business thinking about an "end game."

2) At your age, you're still supposed to be relying on dating for sex. Sure, P4P is great on occasion but your focus is supposed to be on the dating game.

3) Don't take this the wrong way, but you seem mentally/emotionally fragile. That's not a knock as a lot of young guys are, but that's probably why you find yourself pondering such bullshit at your age. In 20 years, you'll look back and see how ridiculous this post was.

4) Don't get me wrong. If all you truly want to do is tap P4P ass six ways to Sunday for however much longer your dick works properly, go in peace. But that's obviously not the case, hence your post. Refer to #3, I think you're young, emotionally inexperienced and got into P4P because you couldn't get over a silly youthful relationship that, in the long run, doesn't mean shit because your early 20s are precisely when you're supposed to be dating, breaking up, dating, breaking up, ad nauseum. Man up, forget about the bitch and go chase some new ass. Otherwise you'll blink and wake up 45 years old and lonely.

I was your age when I lived in Japan. I pissed away most of my 20s there. And not once during that time did I get seriously involved in any P4P. Trust me, you've probably got about five years max of proper dick function left so you'll want to capitalize on those years pumping as much nanpa ass as possible and finding a wife. Then, once you're comfortably settled in your 30s, you can stock up on generic sildenafil, rejoin the P4P circuit, come back here and the shit most of us old fucks here drone on about will make a lot more sense.

Jesus Christ. Well, when you put it like that. Suddenly it makes sense why all these girls would look at me weird when I start crying after sex.

Unironically reactivating bumble. General consensus seems to be to get back on the grind.

 

[requiemmorrow]

I didn't start P4P until two years ago, in my mid 30s and recently have delved deeply enough into to feel alive again. Honestly, the first 5 years of my thirties were an absolute blur, mainly because I was just completely devoid of new experiences.
Now, with all the opportunities to explore P4P and fulfill some fantasies, I feel reinvigorated and am counting down the days each month as they move along so, so slowly. Also, I would say I am just a teeny bit jealous of you, as if I hadn't thought so little of p4p and the chance to fuck a ton of Japanese girls in my mid-twenties there are a lot of moments and mistakes I made in dating that needed post-nut clarity to avoid. Now I feel quite positive about my normal sex life as well and have non p4p opportunities I never did before, yet lack that same vigor I had back then. Pretty soon the once-in-a-while sildenafil will become a regular reality...

Jesus Christ. Well, when you put it like that. Suddenly it makes sense why all these girls would look at me weird when I start crying after sex.
Unironically reactivating bumble. General consensus seems to be to get back on the grind.

Aside from the comment about being mentally/emotionally fragile, Keihan is right. I would guess you want to do well by women and probably misconstrued treating a woman well with sacrificing your happiness. Now that you can get what you want to feel sexually satisfied, finding a companion that you feel happy amusing as much as she does you is what I would think is a real "endgame" if it even exists.

 

[Keihan]

Hate working with kids. Had a production a while back where they wanted to do an interview piece with little kids and the producer had the bright idea to feed the kids boxes of Krispy Kreme right before we went on air. The horror, the horror…

Obviously that producer never had kids. I can relate. Back during my years in politics I was always in charge of the comms duties for campaigns, so that meant spending far too much time inside news studios and with film crews to do the obligatory bullshit like commercials and feature interviews. Kids are like fucking kryptonite to any sort of production, particularly during filming sessions for campaign commercials where I'm paying a professional crew anywhere from $25k to $50k and we've got one day to shoot. And of course, all those "max contribution" donors who gave the federally-regulated maximum campaign donation to us all want their adorable little fucking monsters in the commercial so they can brag to their other jerkoff rich friends how much pull they have with [insert name of politician], and of course I then get the memo from above that I have to incorporate kid A, B and C into the commercial and am reminded of whose kid that is, so then even when the little shits act up and fuck up a take I can't go full-on "sensei" and smack the fuck out of them like I could in Japan.

 

[Frenchy]

Obviously that producer never had kids. I can relate. Back during my years in politics I was always in charge of the comms duties for campaigns, so that meant spending far too much time inside news studios and with film crews to do the obligatory bullshit like commercials and feature interviews. Kids are like fucking kryptonite to any sort of production, particularly during filming sessions for campaign commercials where I'm paying a professional crew anywhere from $25k to $50k and we've got one day to shoot. And of course, all those "max contribution" donors who gave the federally-regulated maximum campaign donation to us all want their adorable little fucking monsters in the commercial so they can brag to their other jerkoff rich friends how much pull they have with [insert name of politician], and of course I then get the memo from above that I have to incorporate kid A, B and C into the commercial and am reminded of whose kid that is, so then even when the little shits act up and fuck up a take I can't go full-on "sensei" and smack the fuck out of them like I could in Japan.

ah ah! Really?
Well i know we disagree but another reason to put a French style cap on total campaign expenses.
You shouldn’t have elected officials spending most of their time whoring themselves out to pay for idiotic ads and subjecting their staff to this infamy

 

[Keihan]

ah ah! Really?
Well i know we disagree but another reason to put a French style cap on total campaign expenses.
You shouldn’t have elected officials spending most of their time whoring themselves out to pay for idiotic ads and subjecting their staff to this infamy

That sounds good in theory but would never work in America. Another sad reality of how we do politics here. And it was really the Obama 2008 campaign that shattered the spending ceiling for a presidential campaign, where they spent (IIRC) just shy of a billion dollars. From then, it was no big deal to be spending more than the GDP of a small country on a stupid election, and I believe the Trump/Clinton battle finally surpassed the $1B mark...although adjusting for inflation they still spent less than Obama's first run.

The term of a U.S. Representative is two years, and if you ever meet one that's willing to be honest with you, he/she will tell you that a rep's only REAL job is fundraising. Take the upcoming election. Successful candidates will prevail in the general election on 11/08/2022. Just after Thanksgiving, all newly-elected reps must report to D.C. for what they call "new member training," where they learn how to hire staff, get an office assignment, manage their official budgets, etc. In early January all new members are sworn in by the Speaker of the House. And from that day, the second you're issued that special lapel pin and the House "credit card" that you use to vote in the chamber, your daily #1 priority will be raising money. You'll work cocktail circuits, attend donor events, kiss asses in the Capitol District and all across the country if need be, and then most importantly, hold fundraisers. Anything and everything you can do to raise money, because the reality is that even though you've just been sworn in, you've got about 14 months before the next primary season kicks off, 19 months till the next primary and then 23 months till the next general.

When do they find time to actually work, you might ask? Simple. They don't work.

 

[Frenchy]

That sounds good in theory but would never work in America. Another sad reality of how we do politics here. And it was really the Obama 2008 campaign that shattered the spending ceiling for a presidential campaign, where they spent (IIRC) just shy of a billion dollars. From then, it was no big deal to be spending more than the GDP of a small country on a stupid election, and I believe the Trump/Clinton battle finally surpassed the $1B mark...although adjusting for inflation they still spent less than Obama's first run.

The term of a U.S. Representative is two years, and if you ever meet one that's willing to be honest with you, he/she will tell you that a rep's only REAL job is fundraising. Take the upcoming election. Successful candidates will prevail in the general election on 11/08/2022. Just after Thanksgiving, all newly-elected reps must report to D.C. for what they call "new member training," where they learn how to hire staff, get an office assignment, manage their official budgets, etc. In early January all new members are sworn in by the Speaker of the House. And from that day, the second you're issued that special lapel pin and the House "credit card" that you use to vote in the chamber, your daily #1 priority will be raising money. You'll work cocktail circuits, attend donor events, kiss asses in the Capitol District and all across the country if need be, and then most importantly, hold fundraisers. Anything and everything you can do to raise money, because the reality is that even though you've just been sworn in, you've got about 14 months before the next primary season kicks off, 19 months till the next primary and then 23 months till the next general.

When do they find time to actually work, you might ask? Simple. They don't work.

yes I remember reading interviews of congressmen’s staff (left and right) who resigned a few months after starting the job as they were gutted to see their dreams of high-level politics shattered , and just having to identify and call people to get money

don’t get me wrong , in France MPs whore themselves out too but for more worthy causes than spending millions on ads. Like, for their mistresses and second (or third ) houses .

 

[Keihan]

yes I remember reading interviews of congressmen’s staff (left and right) who resigned a few months after starting the job as they were gutted to see their dreams of high-level politics shattered , and just having to identify and call people to get money

don’t get me wrong , in France MPs whore themselves out too but for more worthy causes than spending millions on ads. Like, for their mistresses and second (or third ) houses .

Oh yes, believe me...I've been in charge of putting those kids through that bullshit and watching the light in their eyes fade as reality sinks in. This shit ain't like they show you on a NETFLIX series, and POLISCI450 won't prepare you for the letdown.

Respective parties (GOP/DEM) will have fundraising operations being run out of state HQs, and then you have SuperPAC operations where those staffers cannot in any way, shape or form associate with the candidate or any of his/her official office staff, but official staff kids are always expected to pull double-duty. To keep within the confines of the law, they do their official office hour duties from perhaps 8am to 4pm, and then from 5pm until whenever the asshole in charge (me) lets them go home, they're expected to man campaign HQ and work the phone lines or do some other menial nonsense. And they're getting paid maybe $30k/year to work 18, 19 even 20 hour days.

Very few kids are cut-out for genuine politics. And the ones who are actually able to hack it and thrive and succeed and move up the ranks doing the things they have to do to advance, well...those are the truly reprehensible ones. And they end up in Congress and, sometimes, the White House.

 

[SugoiBoy]

I've been doing the P4P for about 2 years now. Japan has perfected the industry IMO. I can call an agency, then 30 min later be balls deep in a Japanese girl.

Dating is too much work and boring. I'm relatively young (25) and have a well paying career. Anyways, I went to a soapland for the 4th time this month, and the post nut clarity hit hard.

Not sure if it's the alcohol or an early existential crisis, maybe both, but I'm just fucking depressed. I thought I wanted a life of pumping and dumping, then moving on to the next one. Do that for 30 years till my heart gives out from all the Adderall and prostitutes.

A bad breakup steered me to the scene. Settling down and having a family is gay.I just need some advice from some experienced veterans on here. What is the point of it all?

Once international travel returns more or less to normal, then you just might want to treat yourself to a trip down to Southeast Asia especially if you haven’t been there before. A change of scenery can do one some good.

There must be lots of lonely bar girls (and sick water buffaloes) awaiting the full fledge return of foreign tourists. Of course, if the pros bore you, you could seek out amateurs in that region as well.

 

[MikeH]

Of course, if the pros bore you, you could seek out amateurs in that region as well.

Yeah, the amateurs have water buffaloes too. I am myself pondering between Bangkok, Phuket and Angeles City.

 

[verdentgreen21]

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Once international travel returns more or less to normal, then you just might want to treat yourself to a trip down to Southeast Asia especially if you haven’t been there before. A change of scenery can do one some good.

There must be lots of lonely bar girls (and sick water buffaloes) awaiting the full fledge return of foreign tourists. Of course, if the pros bore you, you could seek out amateurs in that region as well.

Admittedly, I only really got into it in Japan. Went to Bali a year before covid, the guys ordered "massage therapists," with HE options. Anyway, this girl was gorgeous, we end up vibing and spent the week together off the clock.

She wanted to get married, naturally, I noped the fuck out of there. Initial meeting was like $60 usd for 90 min. Was a good massage too.

That's about the only experience I've had outside of Japan. Having read about different experiences in other countries it seems a lot more hit or miss. I got it on the bucket list to spend a coked filled weekend in the PI with a different girl every night though.