Younger Guys And P4p

[GoldenDalton]

Just something that has been on my mind recently.

For the last few years I've been in the process of trying to establish a business, and that has required me to travel extensively, to many different countries. Since I enjoy traveling, this is a good thing.

One area of life that is affected is romance. I don't remain in one place long enough for a LTR, and though I own a house in the states, I feel like most women in my age group ( early thirties) are searching for "the one" and eager to start a family. The idea has grown on me the last couple of years, however I am not quite there yet. Maybe in a year or so once things settle down.

I believe in being forthright and radically honest. I don't want to use a woman's time when she is serious about finding a husband. Thus I look exclusively for ONS and short term relationships.

I travel to a lot of places in which I have few ties outside of business, so P4P works there. I'm not unattractive by any means, and pick up isn't a problem in most places. However with pick up you have to be willing to spend a lot of time and effort.

Sometimes I don't feel up to that. I like to spend some downtime looking at the sights in places I visit instead of the bar/club scene. I use p4p because I can have a micro relationship with a beautiful woman with little hassle and no dissapointed for either party when I have to leave. I had a girlfriend in Fukuoka relatively recently and ending that relationship was a little rough.

I had the good fortune to see the legendary Manami before she quit the business, and she stated that she was initially somewhat apprehensive because of my age, though that faded after she met me in person.


So what I'm asking is; Do escorts tend to assume that younger guys (I don't believe I am a " younger guy" at all- but that doesn't stop other people from using that label) who do p4p are losers/weirdos? Again, sometimes it's just more fun than the club scene.

Have you heard of any escorts who did not like seeing men under 35? If so, what steps could a client take to reassure the escort that he's a normal, emotionally and physically healthy guy?

Sorry again for the novel. It's boring in Pittsburgh this time of night and I can't sleep due to jet lag.

 

[Kitty Carr]

I have seen clients as young as 19 (although I didn't know that before I met him, and if I had I might have reconsidered seeing him - seeing men younger than my little brother is slightly out of my comfort zone!), and regularly see men in their late twenties and early thirties.

When I get a request from a younger guy, I usually assume straight off that he's contacting me for exactly one of the reasons you outlined: that he's successful and busy and doesn't have time to maintain a relationship; I assume he's in tech of some kind, has made it early and has money to spend. Either that or he's married and the sex has dried up, or he has some kind of desire that his wife or girlfriend can't or won't take care of. Or he's in an environment (like the military) where women are scarce and it's hard to meet new ones. Or, in my case, he's tired of Japanese women and wants something different for once.

I wouldn't think twice about a booking for a guy in his thirties, but for a guy in his twenties I might be more cautious. With both, however, ideally in his booking request he gives a little bit of personal information: he's in the military, or he's travelling before grad school, or he's celebrating his birthday, or he's married but wants to play. Any kind of context makes me feel safer. Never underestimate the value of telling the escort about yourself a little - it's always appreciated and makes me warm to the person in advance of the encounter. It's also extremely helpful to know if you have P4P experience because then I have an idea of how much of a lead I should take.

Hope this helps.

 

[Crucial]

When I get a request from a younger guy, I usually assume straight off that he's contacting me for exactly one of the reasons you outlined: that he's successful and busy and doesn't have time to maintain a relationship; I assume he's in tech of some kind, has made it early and has money to spend. Either that or he's married and the sex has dried up, or he has some kind of desire that his wife or girlfriend can't or won't take care of. Or he's in an environment (like the military) where women are scarce and it's hard to meet new ones. Or, in my case, he's tired of Japanese women and wants something different for once.

Some of this definitely fits into my life. I'm in IT, make way more money than I can spend and while my gf wants sex all the time and is japanese for me the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence so I always want someone else and have now after more than a year together gotten too interested in other japanese women and will be visiting some bj bars and things like that on the side. I'm 26 but look to be 20 or so a lot of people say.

 

[GoldenDalton]

I have seen clients as young as 19 (although I didn't know that before I met him, and if I had I might have reconsidered seeing him - seeing men younger than my little brother is slightly out of my comfort zone!), and regularly see men in their late twenties and early thirties.

When I get a request from a younger guy, I usually assume straight off that he's contacting me for exactly one of the reasons you outlined: that he's successful and busy and doesn't have time to maintain a relationship; I assume he's in tech of some kind, has made it early and has money to spend. Either that or he's married and the sex has dried up, or he has some kind of desire that his wife or girlfriend can't or won't take care of. Or he's in an environment (like the military) where women are scarce and it's hard to meet new ones. Or, in my case, he's tired of Japanese women and wants something different for once.

I wouldn't think twice about a booking for a guy in his thirties, but for a guy in his twenties I might be more cautious. With both, however, ideally in his booking request he gives a little bit of personal information: he's in the military, or he's travelling before grad school, or he's celebrating his birthday, or he's married but wants to play. Any kind of context makes me feel safer. Never underestimate the value of telling the escort about yourself a little - it's always appreciated and makes me warm to the person in advance of the encounter. It's also extremely helpful to know if you have P4P experience because then I have an idea of how much of a lead I should take.

Hope this helps.

It does help a lot. Thanks.

Oddly emough, for some weird reason I'm wondering if the fact that I had a shaved head at the time made me seem weird/ threatening. Come to think of it I've rarely seen that style in Japan.

 

[Kitty Carr]

It does help a lot. Thanks.

Oddly emough, for some weird reason I'm wondering if the fact that I had a shaved head at the time made me seem weird/ threatening. Come to think of it I've rarely seen that style in Japan.

Could be. It's usually only boxers and yakuza with completely shaved heads...

 

[GoldenDalton]

Could be. It's usually only boxers and yakuza with completely shaved heads...

Really? I didn't know that. I have noticed the hairstyle that it seems almost every young guy has that's really anime-ish ( I realize the real life haircut came first, but have no other way to describe it).

Who knows? People may have thought I was military, which I wasn't at the time, but still. Also Fukuoka is night and day to Tokuo in many ways.

 

[Huncock]

Just something that has been on my mind recently.

For the last few years I've been in the process of trying to establish a business, and that has required me to travel extensively, to many different countries. Since I enjoy traveling, this is a good thing.

One area of life that is affected is romance. I don't remain in one place long enough for a LTR, and though I own a house in the states, I feel like most women in my age group ( early thirties) are searching for "the one" and eager to start a family. The idea has grown on me the last couple of years, however I am not quite there yet. Maybe in a year or so once things settle down.

I believe in being forthright and radically honest. I don't want to use a woman's time when she is serious about finding a husband. Thus I look exclusively for ONS and short term relationships.

I travel to a lot of places in which I have few ties outside of business, so P4P works there. I'm not unattractive by any means, and pick up isn't a problem in most places. However with pick up you have to be willing to spend a lot of time and effort.

Sometimes I don't feel up to that. I like to spend some downtime looking at the sights in places I visit instead of the bar/club scene. I use p4p because I can have a micro relationship with a beautiful woman with little hassle and no dissapointed for either party when I have to leave. I had a girlfriend in Fukuoka relatively recently and ending that relationship was a little rough.

I had the good fortune to see the legendary Manami before she quit the business, and she stated that she was initially somewhat apprehensive because of my age, though that faded after she met me in person.


So what I'm asking is; Do escorts tend to assume that younger guys (I don't believe I am a " younger guy" at all- but that doesn't stop other people from using that label) who do p4p are losers/weirdos? Again, sometimes it's just more fun than the club scene.

Have you heard of any escorts who did not like seeing men under 35? If so, what steps could a client take to reassure the escort that he's a normal, emotionally and physically healthy guy?

Sorry again for the novel. It's boring in Pittsburgh this time of night and I can't sleep due to jet lag.

Interesting to read that the "cut-off" age is around 35 ish. Recently I found myself feeling a bit too old for some things, but it never stopped me of course.

However, since I am about to visit Japan for the first time, and because of the arrangement with my lovely wife, I wish to enjoy other Japanese female companion from time to time. Saying that, I would not think I would be considered young.

Since I live and work in Papua New Guinea, and only get to enjoy civilisation every six weeks, I am very much looking forward to experience Japan.

Not to mention the red districts. Having any kind of contact with woman here is out of the question, unless one is suicidal or willing to sacrifice everything for... Well, for not much.

I was hoping to find a travel companion, who is professional enough to please me and being pleased by me on any occasions, but relaxed enough not to take this two weeks too seriously.

Any of you know such thing or am I just dreaming?

 

[GoldenDalton]

Interesting to read that the "cut-off" age is around 35 ish. Recently I found myself feeling a bit too old for some things, but it never stopped me of course.

However, since I am about to visit Japan for the first time, and because of the arrangement with my lovely wife, I wish to enjoy other Japanese female companion from time to time. Saying that, I would not think I would be considered young.

Since I live and work in Papua New Guinea, and only get to enjoy civilisation every six weeks, I am very much looking forward to experience Japan.

Not to mention the red districts. Having any kind of contact with woman here is out of the question, unless one is suicidal or willing to sacrifice everything for... Well, for not much.

I was hoping to find a travel companion, who is professional enough to please me and being pleased by me on any occasions, but relaxed enough not to take this two weeks too seriously.

Any of you know such thing or am I just dreaming?

I want to hear about Papua New Guinea! That's super interesting. You should make a thread.

 

[Huncock]

I want to hear about Papua New Guinea! That's super interesting. You should make a thread.

Seriously?

Very much not related to TAG, rather POMAG (Port Moresby Adult Guide), and I can describe the situation here with three words: DON'T DO IT!

However, since I am here for some time now, I think I can give some insight of the DOs and DON'Ts, and I think I could be a genuine source. I am still alive for one, and I still have my genital firmly attached to my body Not every white man - or local - can say that.

If anyone is really interested, I am happy to start one, as long as admins have no problem with that.

 

[GoldenDalton]

Seriously?

Very much not related to TAG, rather POMAG (Port Moresby Adult Guide), and I can describe the situation here with three words: DON'T DO IT!

However, since I am here for some time now, I think I can give some insight of the DOs and DON'Ts, and I think I could be a genuine source. I am still alive for one, and I still have my genital firmly attached to my body Not every white man - or local - can say that.

If anyone is really interested, I am happy to start one, as long as admins have no problem with that.

What you've already hinted at sounds like an interesting story. You should make a thread in the off-topic section. I have some stories from my time in the Middle East and West Africa I could add.

 

[GoldenDalton]

Seriously?

Very much not related to TAG, rather POMAG (Port Moresby Adult Guide), and I can describe the situation here with three words: DON'T DO IT!

However, since I am here for some time now, I think I can give some insight of the DOs and DON'Ts, and I think I could be a genuine source. I am still alive for one, and I still have my genital firmly attached to my body Not every white man - or local - can say that.

If anyone is really interested, I am happy to start one, as long as admins have no problem with that.

I went ahead and created a thread in the off topic thread for anyone interested. That way we won't distract from discussion.

 

[Will]

I am 28, and I talk about working girls with only one of my colleagues. He is 27. When we talk about the girls, we see it as a service, not as a romantic experience. Like getting a haircut. Maybe a high sex drive, but if I can get laid 5 times in a day off, its a definate win.

 

[Solong]

Women are troublesome. It can be difficult to establish intimate relationships with them, they can create way too much drama, they can come into the relationship with unstated ulterior motives (money or babies), or be very needy and hard to get rid of once you are in a relationship.

A recent example of what I went through is a tall good looking Japanese woman with great breasts, who I mistook as being smart and mentally stable. We met at a coffee shop in a train station (wonderful talk) and communicated nearly every day. We met for dinner after work for the 2nd date (another great conversation), and made a 3rd date (which is often thee date). Then the all too often female nuttiness begins.

On the 3rd date she tells me that she has a boyfriend. Now, if she was really that serious with him, she should have said so from moment one and never exchanged contacts. Besides, a boyfriend does NOT mean you are married, and you still can have choices. So anyway, though slightly annoyed, I continue on to at least enjoy the Friday night. Later in the night she tells me she is horny. Our sexual conversations and the wine may have helped ;-) But be that as it may, if a hot chick tells me she is horny, sex is very likely to happen, and so we did it (and 3x that night).

Then the next day she starts laying this very annoying convoluted guilt trip on me, as if she wasn't in control of her own vagina and legs. Again, she is an adult and capable of handling the responsibility of her actions. If she didn't want to have sex, don't say you are horny and go to the hotel. Her relationship with her boyfriend (who I'm now suspecting husband) is on her, not other people. Now it went from something nice, to messy convoluted drama that way too many women do.

So with all that stated, P4P providers have a DEFINITE place in this world for men, regardless of age. If a guy is horny and doesn't want to deal with the common female insanity, he might be better off with a pro. I would never blame a guy to turning to pros, though I can see the argument of both sides, and guys that won't. And it's my opinion that guys should evaluate himself if he only goes to pros, because regular relationships (when they go well) far surpass anything based on just money.

Clearly, it's a balance between effort (to get women), money spent, ROI (return on investment), personal satisfaction, and personal standards.

 

[Will]

Women can be a massive head f*ck.
I dont understand why a woman wouldn't want to be with a younger guy.. could anyone clear this up for me? I am a respectful, and VERY shy guy. I am awkward in social situations, and find it hard to chat up girls. I have always treated any woman I interact with (on any level) with affection, and respect. That being said, I feel more comfortable in a 1 on 1, or 2 on 1, situation. P4P is great for people like me, and fills the void
Again, why wouldn't working girls want to be with younger guys....... it baffles me.

 

[Kitty Carr]

Will, welcome to TAG. I'm a provider, and I outlined some thoughts on this above.

A lot of girls are wary about seeing younger men because, in a nutshell, there are fewer reasons as to why a man in his twenties will be in the market for an escort. That is to say, he's much less likely to be a) married, whether happily and looking for some spice, or unhappily and looking for some escapism; or b) unable to find (either geographically or due to the age difference) a young attractive woman willing to give him an energetic workout, which in my experience are the two main reasons why older men go for a P4P experience.

There's definitely the question of 'why' that comes up when you have a booking from a younger man, but as I said above, if you give just a few details about your circumstances and what sort of experience you're after, then the girl will feel much more at ease and will be more likely to see you. I've had guys your age email me and say 'I'm shy and horny', and that's definitely a valid reason in my book!

There's also the belief that older men know how to treat a girl, both in and out of the sack, which definitely comes into play when choosing clients. I have had good times with both older and younger clients, but it's a very different experience with a 27 year old than with a 55 year old. Some girls only like the latter.

 

[GoldenDalton]

Women are troublesome. It can be difficult to establish intimate relationships with them, they can create way too much drama, they can come into the relationship with unstated ulterior motives (money or babies), or be very needy and hard to get rid of once you are in a relationship.

A recent example of what I went through is a tall good looking Japanese woman with great breasts, who I mistook as being smart and mentally stable. We met at a coffee shop in a train station (wonderful talk) and communicated nearly every day. We met for dinner after work for the 2nd date (another great conversation), and made a 3rd date (which is often thee date). Then the all too often female nuttiness begins.

On the 3rd date she tells me that she has a boyfriend. Now, if she was really that serious with him, she should have said so from moment one and never exchanged contacts. Besides, a boyfriend does NOT mean you are married, and you still can have choices. So anyway, though slightly annoyed, I continue on to at least enjoy the Friday night. Later in the night she tells me she is horny. Our sexual conversations and the wine may have helped ;-) But be that as it may, if a hot chick tells me she is horny, sex is very likely to happen, and so we did it (and 3x that night).

Then the next day she starts laying this very annoying convoluted guilt trip on me, as if she wasn't in control of her own vagina and legs. Again, she is an adult and capable of handling the responsibility of her actions. If she didn't want to have sex, don't say you are horny and go to the hotel. Her relationship with her boyfriend (who I'm now suspecting husband) is on her, not other people. Now it went from something nice, to messy convoluted drama that way too many women do.

So with all that stated, P4P providers have a DEFINITE place in this world for men, regardless of age. If a guy is horny and doesn't want to deal with the common female insanity, he might be better off with a pro. I would never blame a guy to turning to pros, though I can see the argument of both sides, and guys that won't. And it's my opinion that guys should evaluate himself if he only goes to pros, because regular relationships (when they go well) far surpass anything based on just money.

Clearly, it's a balance between effort (to get women), money spent, ROI (return on investment), personal satisfaction, and personal standards.

I've had a similar relationship to the one you described. She was a hardcore feminist yet when push came to shove wanted everything to be traditional, I.e. suddenly we had to be monogamous, marriage- minded, etc.- everything she railed against in the beginning.

" Real Life" relationships can go right I guess, but I have gotten a little tired of dealing with the women in my social circle. Maybe I'll branch out and find a more serious relationship elsewhere, but for now traveling the globe has my life fun but chaotic, and to be honest now that I've been all over, I really don't think I could be with an American woman my age. Marrying someone who is just gonna to turn around and become obese instantaneously, be difficult as hell to deal with, then divorce me and take half my stuff in 4.6 years is not something I'm going to risk.
Of course I've heard Japanese/Gaijin marriages don't always do well either. However I have had a nice correspondence with a friend in Mexico and she seems legitimaly interested in a serious relationship. I might be more open in the long run with some body like that. But I have a " no stringing females along " policy. I state up front the conditions of my life and that they are wasting their time. That doesn't seem to deter the women in my social environment. It doesn't make sense why they'd even want to be around me. They are all these hyper-left radicals and I'm a war veteran. Granted I'm not unsympathetic to some views of theirs.

I don't have to worry about any of that with escorts, though. The world at large acts like escorts have all these personal problems- Japanese escorts are more mature and healthy than American women who cant decide between the most virulent forms of feminism and baby rabies. Anyway I'm rambling. Time to go to bed. Long day.

 

[Will]

Thanks for the welcome kitty.
My ex wife is Japanese. 9 years difference. In the end, marrying someone from rural Japan probably wasn't the best idea for a city boy. The age difference wasn't the problem. ... it was the personality.

 

[Panda989]

I can honestly say that i have never been turned down for being too young from a provider in any country, that said i agree with Kitty that if i was providing i would be hesitent as most guys under 30 for sure woud be hitting the bars for one nighters as a first option especially in tokyo. just the work environment alone in tokyo means your first 6-9 months you are in a bar every night anyway, so odds are that you will find a one nighter anyway.

for me i decided to go a different route, i had the single adults arrangement with the naughty PA in the office because at the time i had a GF and frankly she didnt meet my needs as girlfrined v30.03 and upgrading her to wife v2.0 didnt exactly help things. after a while i went the route of p4p because as others have said, i like the veriety, i like the ability to satisfy myself (and i hope once and a while the women im with). no fuss no muss, no drama, no misunderstanding.

all that said even at pushing 40, i was told a couple of times that i was younger then normal, and the odd women seemed even happy that i was "young" which at the time i though strange as i was at least 10+ years older than she was, but eventually figured out that in ome places like tokyo, its an older guys game for the most part.

 

[GoldenDalton]

I can honestly say that i have never been turned down for being too young from a provider in any country, that said i agree with Kitty that if i was providing i would be hesitent as most guys under 30 for sure woud be hitting the bars for one nighters as a first option especially in tokyo. just the work environment alone in tokyo means your first 6-9 months you are in a bar every night anyway, so odds are that you will find a one nighter anyway.

for me i decided to go a different route, i had the single adults arrangement with the naughty PA in the office because at the time i had a GF and frankly she didnt meet my needs as girlfrined v30.03 and upgrading her to wife v2.0 didnt exactly help things. after a while i went the route of p4p because as others have said, i like the veriety, i like the ability to satisfy myself (and i hope once and a while the women im with). no fuss no muss, no drama, no misunderstanding.

all that said even at pushing 40, i was told a couple of times that i was younger then normal, and the odd women seemed even happy that i was "young" which at the time i though strange as i was at least 10+ years older than she was, but eventually figured out that in ome places like tokyo, its an older guys game for the most part.

Yeah I can get how they perceive us as strange, but I rarely get time off so I don't like wasting it on futile approaches. Yes I often succeed but even in that case I'm not yet at a point sufficient to allow me to pursue a large social life.

 

[Panda989]

for me i am usually entertaining every night, so i have to make sure people get home or back to their hotels, which means that never gut to go out and go hunting as much as one would like. so its just easier to dial in for a wife for the night.

 

[GoldenDalton]

for me i am usually entertaining every night, so i have to make sure people get home or back to their hotels, which means that never gut to go out and go hunting as much as one would like. so its just easier to dial in for a wife for the night.

I hear that for sure.