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Hey guys. I have a few ideas, some of which might seem a little too much, but want to get them off my chest so we can discuss, as I enjoy writing reviews and want to see the system improve further. Anyway, here goes nothing.

In regards to "Similar Threads" table that appears at the bottom...just wondering how we can improve upon it. In particular the following points:
  • Threads that are say...six months or older would get a red font indicating the information is likely no longer reliable, and threads over a year old become greyed, with the caution at the top of the thread rather than the bottom so the user is exposed to the fact that the information is old first.

  • Instead of just similar threads, with the ID tag I guess you are using include a link saying "See all threads related to...<this shop's ID tag>," that when clicked, would filter out specifically reviews that have this tag and sort them by date.

  • Maybe include a "See all reviews by this user" link in the same area? I know there is a way to see "all topics" by users by checking their profile, but sometimes I just want to read all of @Sudsy reviews and not just threads he starts for any particular reason and while something like that is only a few clicks away, a confluence of routes can improve navigation altogether.
In regards to review details, here are a few suggestions:
  • CityHeaven uses a star system that is really simple...but it is centralized and seems to encourage a lot of fables for reviews. However, since I have started to include stars I think it can be a fast way to see scores, and seeing as that the English level of some of our members can be quite horrid, even poorly structured, unremarkable reviews still have a score that increases their utility despite poor communication. Perhaps something like this:

    Provider: Score for provider's appearance.
    Pictures: Score for none or how ridiculous the panemagic is.
    Accessibility: Score for location access, hotel access, storefront, etc.
    Shop Staff: Score for shop reps and touts.
    Cost: Score for cost of service by time rate
    Overall: Score for overall experience.

    We can do numbers 1-10 or even 1-100 instead as well, but I imagine some providers would hate being rated centrally overall by numbers; so as a focus I think it should be used if users want to know what shops/girls are recommended by the specific user with this system, and it can be sorted by those star ratings and get an idea of what that specific user thinks is the best (basically, no centralization, no harm done.)

  • For the "Costs" field, I think it'd be pretty cool if we could make that something searchable and filterable by separating the numbers from the cost. Maybe add dropdowns including major forms of currency and have the user plug in the numbers. We can also do the same for "Time" so we can filter reviews by cost and length of time categories.

    Of course this gets messy when dealing with love hotels and other spaces, but reviews can always include a "details" field to separate these exceptions.

  • A review template that appears in the text field for "Details of the Encounter" text field? Something greyed out with Categories and "Lorem Ipsum" placeholder text that can all be easily erased? I am a fan of standardization, overall. But if it is too much I understand.
Anyway, thanks for hearing me out. Cheers.
 
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requiemmorrow said:
CityHeaven uses a star system that is really simple...but it is centralized and seems to encourage a lot of fables for reviews. However, since I have started to include stars I think it can be a fast way to see scores, and seeing as that the English level of some of our members can be quite horrid, even poorly structured, unremarkable reviews still have a score that increases their utility despite poor communication. Perhaps something like this:

Provider: Score for provider's appearance.
Pictures: Score for none or how ridiculous the panemagic is.
Accessibility: Score for location access, hotel access, storefront, etc.
Shop Staff: Score for shop reps and touts.
Cost: Score for cost of service by time rate
Overall: Score for overall experience.
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The scoring system doesn't work here. We've tried it in the past and no one really agreed on what the scores meant. Thus, it was removed. We still have some battle scars from that period...
People are free to make their own scoring, but each to his own to interpret what it means. (Kinda like some places that post their own reviews and they are all 5 stars... :rolleyes:)

requiemmorrow said:
A review template that appears in the text field for "Details of the Encounter" text field? Something greyed out with Categories and "Lorem Ipsum" placeholder text that can all be easily erased? I am a fan of standardization, overall. But if it is too much I understand.
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This is what the review form itself solved from the original free-text format. We left the text entry space for people to format the review as they'd like while the form captured specific details in a orderly fashion. Moreover, historically, it's difficult to get people to follow a pattern and some will just simply stop contributing if it gets too technical.

Thanks for the suggestions and they are noted. I suppose we can address more of these in time, but a lot of this comes down to money. We can revisit additional functionality when there are more funds available to do so.
 
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The scoring system doesn't work here. We've tried it in the past and no one really agreed on what the scores meant. Thus, it was removed. We still have some battle scars from that period...
People are free to make their own scoring, but each to his own to interpret what it means. (Kinda like some places that post their own reviews and they are all 5 stars... :rolleyes:)
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Understood...bummer. Here I was hoping not to read through 30 reviews to find out who loves @MikeH the most.

TAG Manager said:
This is what the review form itself solved from the original free-text format. We left the text entry space for people to format the review as they'd like while the form captured specific details in a orderly fashion. Moreover, historically, it's difficult to get people to follow a pattern and some will just simply stop contributing if it gets too technical.
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I guess that makes sense. If you blacked out during your encounter there isn't much gritty detail to include...that's why I figured points would have worked, but damn...

Anyway, thanks for the response.
 
I'd like to add a comment...

It's not that these things are impossible, it's just a matter of time and money to custom develop stuff that can't easily by done by the existing system. Let us finish the current work in-progress and then we can revisit additional modifications and improvements on a budgetary basis. (y)

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requiemmorrow said:
Threads that are say...six months or older would get a red font indicating the information is likely no longer reliable, and threads over a year old become greyed, with the caution at the top of the thread rather than the bottom so the user is exposed to the fact that the information is old first.
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This one isn't so hard to do - colors don't work so well because everyone doesn't always use the same site theme/design. But, there is a way to eliminate older content from appearing and/or improve the relevancy of what's shown. If it's too confusing or troublesome in the end, it can be removed either in full or partially.
 
I personally have never used the "Similar Threads" function as like any decent perv I have read everything in TAG. Though I probably should use it as I sometimes oftentimes notice I do not remember all that I have read.

I personally do not like stars or numbers, as TAG Manager said nobody can ever agree what they mean. Like you put 5 stars on body because you like asses and plumb girls and that would be a negative one star for me for example.

I much rather enjoy reading a good review explaining what was liked and disliked so I can make my own decision if the girl would be a good match for me.

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Understood...bummer. Here I was hoping not to read through 30 reviews to find out who loves @MikeH the most.
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That would be a tight race and probably a tie in the end as everyone just adores me.
 
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Scores should be explicit:

- One of the best experiences of my life
- Outstanding
- Good
- Not amazing
- Awful

Otherwise, almost everybody gives 5 stars for a regular service, 3 seems a failure, and there's no way to tell apart the really good places.
 
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Scores should be explicit:

- One of the best experiences of my life
- Outstanding
- Good
- Not amazing
- Awful

Otherwise, almost everybody gives 5 stars for a regular service, 3 seems a failure, and there's no way to tell apart the really good places.
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Even that doesn't work.... we all like different things, and what we consider to be exceptional is very subjective. Some guys focus on attitude, some on technical skill, some on looks.

I think the only provider we all MOSTLY agree on is Manami, and even Manami had a negative review once.
 
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I have to deal with ratings in business so that we have have useful key performance indicators and it can be difficult, even with things that are more easily measurable. It would be a nightmare to create an accurate scale to gauge experiences in the sex industry beyond what people liked and recommend (along with details). Sex, like food, is always hard to tangibly rate (I’ve been to a few Michelin Star restaurants that didn’t impress me much).

Being able to filter results by recommendation levels and have these tagged, could make research easier, though. It could even help collect a ranking by most to least recommended for people looking for frequently reviewed placed.
 
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Some guys focus on attitude, some on technical skill, some on looks.
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And sometimes you want sweet kisses and cuddling, sometimes you just want to bang a hottie hard and don't care if she is posting on her twitter at the same time. Not that I did the latter last night and we did manage to fix the bed later too so there.

What I am saying is oftentimes the experience is different than the sum of its parts thus rating the parts doesn't carry much information. Just skip the stars and write better reviews guys. If you do not know what is good review then check @requiemmorrow 's ones. There are plenty to study. ;)
 
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In any case wandering around these forums isn’t ultimately that difficult, and it makes for interesting reading. Even reading older reviews to contrast them with newer ones when looking up a place can actually be informative sometimes.

I don’t think I would have found my first place without going through a bunch of reviews and I am not sure I would have stepped out of my comfort zone if I hadn’t read about CMP’s. And now I’ve lost spent so much money… this website helped the Japanese economy to a great extent :ROFLMAO:.
 
Circling back to this suggestion group: I have tweaked the algorithm that deals with similar content. A hard-stop age limit has been set so that it's not digging out ridiculously old content. Though, you can still view/search the oldest content, it just won't be shown in suggested or similar content.

I will address the other suggestions in due course.

Thank you.
 
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Just my two points about reviews and sorting in general. I think most works very well, there are just 2 things that bother me from time to time.

1) Filters for specific soaplands or categories like NH, IND are great but it would be nice to have a Health/Escort tag as well to identify these reviews and make navigation easier. I understand that Pinksalons/Esthe/Massage/Sekukyabas are too much of a clusterfuck to categorize and mark, but 95% of the "Escort" subforum is just regular health. Could all just get the same tag to identify them.

2) I also think detailed scores make things much too complicated, but it often bothers me that you can only chose "recommend" or "not recommend". There are just a lot of experiences where I wouldn't do either of them and I also don't want to immediately go negative just because it was not overly positive. Often it's not good or bad.......nothing to warn about but also nothing to tell amazing stories about. I think a neutral verdict would really help.
 
Thanks for your comments - for #2, we have tired various methods but the closing comments section is too embellish upon the basic rating at the end. I’m afraid to implement additional ratings since it’s completely subjective to the writer’s perspective and the reader may or may not have the same equal view point.

We are preparing to organize thinks more effectively and @requiemmorrow wrote a thesis on suggestions related to review organization, which is being considered.

All of this requires manual labor, so I really only want to make one big push to organize things one time. I already started breakout data for Osaka and some regional content.
 
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Never liked scoring systems cause they pretty much turn into 5 stars or crap. Love the yes/no simplicity of "Did you like it? Would you go again? Should others try it out?" with comments to expand on that if necessary.

It probably exists, but having ongoing threads dedicated to popular shops might be a good idea for quick and easy reviews or updates both for providers and the shop.
 
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