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  1. TheDutchElm

    F*ck Friends - Do They Exist?

    Absolutely sex friends do exist. Though speaking only for myself, they became my friends first and then later we started shagging. The best part is, mine know each other AND the score. :D
  2. TheDutchElm

    Asking Out Working Girls

    Yes, by all means people: ask away! It's the getting upset part that's ridiculous. You're basically asking her out on a date, so expect a similar or lower hit rate.
  3. TheDutchElm

    Asking Out Working Girls

    The good ones ARE good at more than fucking. Those clients enjoy your company and want to believe you like them/hang out with them/fuck them for more than their money. IMO, unless an escort actually *offers* to hang out with you off the clock, it seems pretty gauche for a client to suggest...
  4. TheDutchElm

    Asking Out Working Girls

    She wasn't really my type and I honestly enjoyed her company (absolutely hilarious) more than any prospect of banging her, so it worked out. I'd just separated from my wife as well and was up to my neck in pussy (my roommate used to give me the thumbs up when I brought a girl home), so it was...
  5. TheDutchElm

    Asking Out Working Girls

    My experience is you can usually squeeze one (and only one) date out of hostesses and working girls for exactly the reasons Scotty mentioned. They want you to come back. One time I got a good feel up and an epic make out session with this gorgeous Chinese hostess in a bar in Roppo, but that...
  6. TheDutchElm

    Strategies For A Short Visit

    Then let's do it somewhere else. Because I wouldn't be surprised if we all got a slap on the wrist for carrying on here for this long.
  7. TheDutchElm

    Strategies For A Short Visit

    Show me where I said "Never approach women not ever, no you clod, not even then. NEVER." No. But you're not owed a polite decline. And frankly, if it's the fifth, fifteenth, or fiftieth approach they've gotten in that situation, you're less likely to get a polite decline as the approaches...
  8. TheDutchElm

    Strategies For A Short Visit

    So much for civility...
  9. TheDutchElm

    Strategies For A Short Visit

    You might be surprised at what the statistical data says about violence declining. It's continuing and there's no reason to suspect it won't keep declining. Also it's not for reasons you might expect. I'd recommend this to you for entertaining reading backed up by a mountain of actual data...
  10. TheDutchElm

    Strategies For A Short Visit

    In conclusion, I'm glad I lied about leaving the conversation. :LOL: I think we've wound this down pretty cordially despite our initial differences and/or misunderstandings.
  11. TheDutchElm

    Strategies For A Short Visit

    @GoldenDalton Perhaps the PUA methods you use are more effective than other things you've tried in the past. Fair enough. I agree your and my mileage varies. I am sure there are many factors we don't know about each other that might explain some of those differences. But my point about...
  12. TheDutchElm

    Strategies For A Short Visit

    Slightly missing the point of the exercise. Imagine you were approached even when you didn't want to be and/or weren't expecting to be. If this happened over and over and OVER, how do you think your attitude would change over time? I'm not saying rudeness isn't rude. I'm asking you to...
  13. TheDutchElm

    Strategies For A Short Visit

    I understand this sentiment and totally support it. It's the "us versus them" attitude and the more-than-a-little-cocky schadenfreude of some men who want to retroactively punish women who shut them down when they were young and/or inexperienced when they try to explain away a little too much...
  14. TheDutchElm

    Strategies For A Short Visit

    That's a bit of an equivocation. I'm not implying that gender isn't a meaningful concept (though gender-queer and gender unaffiliated people do exist despite their genetic sex). PUA asserts a universal gender essentialism as its basis for behavior in heterosexual interactions, but although it...
  15. TheDutchElm

    Strategies For A Short Visit

    Let's be clear that we're not talking about being approached in the park to inquire as to the time of day. Appearing in public is not an invitation to ANY activity another person wishes to impose. It's one thing to give a stranger the time and quite another to engage in a conversation that...
  16. TheDutchElm

    Strategies For A Short Visit

    And I would agree with that first part. In fact I think most feminists would agree with that first part. The problem comes with the accusation in the second part. The valid criticisms of PUA are a criticism of the view that each gender needs to have their insecurities and set-in-stone genetic...
  17. TheDutchElm

    Strategies For A Short Visit

    I said nothing of the sort. However, there are public spaces where approach is inappropriate and men need to recognize these situations by using their freaking brains, with which they are amply imbued to do. You can talk to whomever you want in public, but you don't have a right to expect the...
  18. TheDutchElm

    Strategies For A Short Visit

    "I have an opinion" is not a validation of that opinion. There is a legal definition of harassment that Solong has accurately pointed out. Too often around here, a difference of fact or defensibility of an opinion is recast as repressing expression. Nothing could be farther from the truth...
  19. TheDutchElm

    Strategies For A Short Visit

    Maybe this is where the disconnect lies: women don't owe you social, friendly behavior when you approach them. And you don't owe it to them either if and when they approach you. But you and they DO owe each other an environment free from harassment.
  20. TheDutchElm

    Strategies For A Short Visit

    Don't be ridiculous. Being rejected is not harassment. Continued advancement AFTER being rejected IS harassment.