Do you make any effort in trying to pleasure her?

requiemmorrow said:
Anyway, don’t feel bad if you don’t do it. Do it if you want or don’t if you don’t;
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requiemmorrow said:
I’ve gone ham on some hams and would look up to see her checking her phone. It’s kind of humiliating…hmm, maybe it could be a fetish at some point…
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Look up "bored and ignored". It's a whole genre. Adjacent to "free use".
 
The only reason I still give it an honest try is because foreplay turns me on, regardless. It’s hard to know what is performing and what is actually working, besides natural responses like getting her wet, which is hard to mess up in my own experience.

I learned to accept that P4P is performative and enjoy the fantasy, it’s fun to indulge in the ambiguity of it all but in a grounded way.
 
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The answer to the title question is a hard no.

That is because as the Gods' gift I always pleasure them effordlessly. So after the session all the girls have always been completely satisfied.

Because that's when I leave.
 
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DragonSlayer said:
I learned to accept that P4P is performative and enjoy the fantasy, it’s fun to indulge in the ambiguity of it all but in a grounded way.
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This exactly. Don't go into it with any misconceptions. You are there to get your rocks off, she is there to get paid. If she's a good enough actress, she can make you think you're doing an amazing job (and maybe you really are!), and that's part of the service too. The most you should expect is that the girl thinks you're a good customer and would like to see you again, not as a friend, but as an easy customer.
 
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jwick44 said:
"Can you guide my fingers in your pussy, and show me how you like to be touched."
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This is a good idea. A lot of inexperienced people imitate porn and they think more is more, while sometimes it isn’t.

No, two fingers isn’t necessary better than one, especially not too sudden and depending on the size of your fingers.
No, deeper isn’t always better.
No, moving fast or twisting isn’t always better.

These are tiny delicate girls who may very well see multiple people a day, and any torn skin or cuts down there can make the next few days agony.

Now I’m not saying don’t pleasure the girl, but be gentle, let her decide the tempo and don’t imitate porn.
“I don’t try to pleasure the girl” sounds selfish and I’d definitely prefer good oral and a guy who is not icky about my body and fully into mutual enjoyable play, but girls will still prefer a guy who doesn’t do anything over someone who bites them, uses super suction or finger blasting or tickles them to death.
Again, I’m not saying don’t play with the girl, but start slowly and keep checking her reaction when you do something new.

Case in point; I saw an actual virgin who pleasantly surprised me with good foreplay, and he said he watched a video with actual introductions on how to pleasure girls. Look into something like this if you want to play with the girls, don’t go by what you see in hardcore porn.
 
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It is paid service so I wouldn't worry about it unless you like to. As others said many pros fake it but so do non pros.

For me I absolutely don't try to please P4P but I believe a small % have enjoyed it and have cum. It's partly chemistry nothing personal. If it clicks great but it usually won't for them.

In my personal life I always try to make sure the girl comes first. Most girls I meet lately are sexual and come -- which is weird (as I had gfs who almost never came) I must be meeting girls who are desperate for sex?? Lol
 
YokoMonger said:
Nah, the fucking was free, though I put in some effort to get picked to go upstairs with them. I just paid to enter the store same as they did (though they got a hell of a discount, being single ladies or a couple).
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Well fuck ok you didn’t pay for IT. That counts you are officially a depraved pervert you are a MOTEMOTE depraved pervert.
 
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Really depends on girl and situation. Some girls want a quickie, some want more sensual, some want some rough stuff. Generally I get more turned on when I know the girl is satisfied in some way. Like I enjoy giving massages, so I learned a shit ton from some Thai and japanese masseuses so I could do for women. Sure, every guy they see will eat them out or finger bang then, but I can pop their joints and fix their back so their boobs get a lift(so many love that one). I will put them into another type of coma as they lay on their stomach.
That actually gives me tons of satisfaction after I got my 3 minutes of fun in.

But if you are paying for the time, then you should be focusing on what you want. Whether that's a pump n dump, gfe therapy, or telling yourself you are god's gift to women for "making this chick cum like... so many times dude" 😂
 
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Truthfully depends on the girl and the chemistry. Some girls yes some girls no I will say the higher the cost the less desire to put effort into it.
 
YokoMonger said:
Nah, the fucking was free, though I put in some effort to get picked to go upstairs with them. I just paid to enter the store same as they did (though they got a hell of a discount, being single ladies or a couple).
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Could do a cheaper fuuzoku session with guaranteed results for the price a single guy pays to enter, so yeah.
In case of HB, always try to pleasure the woman if they seem to be coming there for their own fun! If they are paid and or pushed by their male partner to come, read the atmosphere.
 
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watchinforfun said:
Truthfully depends on the girl and the chemistry. Some girls yes some girls no I will say the higher the cost the less desire to put effort into it.
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This is very unusual imo. Usually low cost means quicky with little foreplay or a bj where touching the girl is optional.
High cost would be more personal connection and GFE.
Unless it’s high end soap with a skilled provider and you play a completely passive role on the mat.
 
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Alice said:
Could do a cheaper fuuzoku session with guaranteed results for the price a single guy pays to enter, so yeah.
In case of HB, always try to pleasure the woman if they seem to be coming there for their own fun! If they are paid and or pushed by their male partner to come, read the atmosphere.
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Not sure about Tokyo, but in Yokohama HB called Pure, the registration fee for single guys is 10,000 yen and re-entry after that is 5,000 or 7,000 yen depending if it's daytime or evening portion. Cheaper than any fuuzoku that offers sex, but more than a pink salon. Still, paying more for guaranteed result in addition to being able to make an appointment is why I stopped going to HBs.

When I went, my usual tactic was ask if I could give a foot rub or back massage in the common room. Being a somewhat muscular looking foreigner that could chat in Japanese usually helped secure an invite upstairs as well. Don't think being good a sex helped me too much as I never really ran into the same couple twice. Still, I think the couples I was with had a memorable time given some of the stunts I could pull off (ekiben, standing 69, vibrator leg, getting other guys to help hold the lady up so the husband could fuck her standing, etc).
 
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YokoMonger said:
Not sure about Tokyo, but in Yokohama HB called Pure, the registration fee for single guys is 10,000 yen and re-entry after that is 5,000 or 7,000 yen depending if it's daytime or evening portion. Cheaper than any fuuzoku that offers sex, but more than a pink salon. Still, paying more for guaranteed result in addition to being able to make an appointment is why I stopped going to HBs.

When I went, my usual tactic was ask if I could give a foot rub or back massage in the common room. Being a somewhat muscular looking foreigner that could chat in Japanese usually helped secure an invite upstairs as well. Don't think being good a sex helped me too much as I never really ran into the same couple twice. Still, I think the couples I was with had a memorable time given some of the stunts I could pull off (ekiben, standing 69, vibrator leg, getting other guys to help hold the lady up so the husband could fuck her standing, etc).
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As the old saying goes "free sex is more expensive than paid sex"

HBs are very much more for the social aspects and the "chase" of getting an encounter. I've told more than a few guys that if your goal is just to get your rocks off, you are much better off going to find some p4p(because generally those desperate guys do really poorly at HBs)
 
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Alice said:
This is very unusual imo. Usually low cost means quicky with little foreplay or a bj where touching the girl is optional.
High cost would be more personal connection and GFE.
Unless it’s high end soap with a skilled provider and you play a completely passive role on the mat.
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I should lead with more information I primarily do sugaring and escorts now primarily independent escorts. Honestly the more I have to spend on a sugar relationship the less effort I feel like putting in. Same with the higher end independent escorts. The more money I spend makes me want to put less effort into it. With a Reasonable escort it just depends on chemistry for example. Your a reasonable priced escort. So if we met it would depend on the chemistry to me. I would be more likely to care if you enjoyed it. If you were reasonable and charged say 100,000 yen for an hour then I would have no desire to put in effort.
 
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watchinforfun said:
I should lead with more information I primarily do sugaring and escorts now primarily independent escorts. Honestly the more I have to spend on a sugar relationship the less effort I feel like putting in. Same with the higher end independent escorts. The more money I spend makes me want to put less effort into it. With a Reasonable escort it just depends on chemistry for example. Your a reasonable priced escort. So if we met it would depend on the chemistry to me. I would be more likely to care if you enjoyed it. If you were reasonable and charged say 100,000 yen for an hour then I would have no desire to put in effort.
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I see your reasoning, I personally just don't feel that way, at least regarding escorts. For me, if somehow I paid 100k/hr for an escort, I would be paying that to get a mindblowing GFE-type experience, to feel like someone is so excited to see me when I get there that she can't keep her hands off me and can't wait to get my dick in her. And that fantasy would be easier if I reciprocated, if she felt similarly. (@Alice I imagine this is what you meant by starting with the mouth rinse can get in the way of intimacy, and thinking about it, you're right; in some cases, yeah, I would probably forego the mouth rinse before kissing for some true GFE-type experiences).

Now, if you're paying 100k/hr just to say you had sex with some famous JAV star, then I can see just being like "do to me like you do in your movies" and staying back and letting her.

Regarding chemistry, sometimes, chemistry can be made. It's not magic that just happens, not always. And in my experience, when you show a girl who you are by making an effort to give her pleasure, she may put in the effort to make it even better for you. Imagine you're an escort, some guy comes into the room, pulls down his pants, and points at his dick. You think you'd make any real effort? Some escorts will, because they're professionals, but many may not.

Maybe it just comes down to what you want/expect out of P4P. I can't speak to sugar relationships because I've never really considered one of those.
 
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