Providers that offer BBBJ/CIM/Swallow

[1sunsetguy]

With no offense to anyone with this post, it is only for my personal decision making... I found a provider that that I am looking forward to meet and then i can into her dated profile where she has advertised above services. While i understand some risk is always in the hobby, and some precautions we take just for peace of mind, for many years i have been in the hobby, I have not seen anyone that openly offers CIM (Swallow). Is there anyone out there that shares my opinion?

 

[MikeH]

I have not seen anyone that openly offers CIM (Swallow). Is there anyone out there that shares my opinion?

I don't really understand what is your opinion, that there is none who provide it, or that it's great? Anyway, those options are both openly and often advertised.

Koonai hassha or 口内発射 is CIM which is pretty often included as standard service as in Japan BBBJ is the norm.

Gokkun or ごっくん is swallow which is offered mostly as paid option. The norm is that the girl discreetly spits in to a tissue.

 

[1sunsetguy]

I don't really understand what is your opinion,.

I should have read my post before posting, sorry about that. I have been very skeptical of meeting someone that offers CIM and more importantly someone that will Swallow... for health safety reasons. So, my question is, does anyone else share my opinion that the risk of STD is much higher with providers that offer BBBJ, CIM and specially Swallow?

 

[akasam]

https://www.cdc.gov/std/healthcomm/stdfact-stdriskandoralsex.htm

Yes, anyone who regularly gives (or receives) unprotected oral sex is many times more likely to have an STD and you are many times more likely to receive that STD by using the services of that provider.

The big unknown is many times what? Does your risk go from 1 in 100 to 3 in 100? Or does it go from 1 in 10,000 to 3 in 10,000?

(Those are not the real numbers, nobody really knows for sure.)

Disclaimer: I am not a doctor in real life.

 

[MikeH]

I have been very skeptical of meeting someone that offers CIM and more importantly someone that will Swallow...

Good luck then meeting anyone in Japan. The girls, either in p4p or non-p4p, who have demanded condom with BJ are maybe one in hundred.

But to swallow or not has no relation to getting any infection. If she swallows the stomach has acid and already the food pipe has enzymes that will kill pretty much anything including viruses. Of course it would be even safer not to have CIM but if you do then she would just need to get rid of it fast and not use it as mouth gargle.

 

[akasam]

Good luck then meeting anyone in Japan. The girls, either in p4p or non-p4p, who have demanded condom with BJ are maybe one in hundred.

And proud we are of all of them.

But to swallow or not has no relation to getting any infection.

If she's doing deep throat, for sure. But if not, I bet there's a significant difference.

 

[Wwanderer]

https://www.cdc.gov/std/healthcomm/stdfact-stdriskandoralsex.htm

Yes, anyone who regularly gives (or receives) unprotected oral sex is many times more likely to have an STD and you are many times more likely to receive that STD by using the services of that provider.

The big unknown is many times what? Does your risk go from 1 in 100 to 3 in 100? Or does it go from 1 in 10,000 to 3 in 10,000?

This. Although 3 isn't normally considered "many".

-Ww

 

[User#8628]

Like everyone said, this is super standard in Japan.
If you don't like it and dont want to take risks, just put on a condom before BJ yourself.

 

[Lukes]

It would be very hard to find a provider in Japan that *doesn't* do BBBJ and CIM. It's the norm and it's what customers expect/demand. So it's not really fair to judge a provider for offering it as part of her menu.

I personally tend to be risk-averse and prefer covered service whenever possible (lame, I know).

If you're wanting to get back into the hobby but aren't willing to take that risk you could start off with HE massages that are HJ only. The one place I've been to where CBJ is standard is New Hot Point. They don't do BBBJ there.

 

[MikeH]

If she's doing deep throat, for sure. But if not, I bet there's a significant difference.

That's a bet I would be actually willing to take. As soon as any virus gets down your throat it's pretty much as good as dead.

So the deciding factor is going to be how long it lingers inside mouth. Most doctors I have talked or read agree though this is something that probably never be clinically proven, organising it accurately would be kind of challenging

 

[ur19877]

Funny(but not really) how it is the standard...except for some popular places that cater to foreigners...(ahem [Redacted], JEGC)..you can get it, but need to pay more $$

 

[akasam]

That's a bet I would be actually willing to take. As soon as any virus gets down your throat it's pretty much as good as dead. So the deciding factor is going to be how long it lingers inside mouth.

Chlamydia is a bacteria and it can reside in the throat. It seems to me that the higher quantity and longer contact with a bacteria or virus will increase the likelihood of transmission. A lady giving a lick or two is far less likely to contract a disease than the lady spending a half hour and taking it in and out of her throat a hundred times. Just as spitting out a load is less likely to "linger" somewhere dangerous than swallowing. But then, i am not a doctor (but I am pretty good at math and statistics).

Most doctors I have talked or read agree though this is something that probably never be clinically proven, organising it accurately would be kind of challenging

This is a social failing, IMO. The science and statistics are not especially challenging, it is an easily solvable problem if the funding were there and we could address the problem openly and honestly.

 

[akasam]

If you don't like it and dont want to take risks, just put on a condom before BJ yourself.

Condoms are less risk, not no risk. Having protected sex with a woman who frequently does unprotected sex still gives you a much higher chance of getting something (than using a condom with a woman who only does safe sex). The math on this is sometimes confusing and everyone needs to figure out what works for them given the best info available.

Your chances of choking to death while eating are many times more likely if you eat mochi than if you don't. Does that mean no one should ever eat mochi? Are you willing to take that 3 in 100,000 chance vs. the 1 in 100,000 from just eating a sorbet? Not for me to say.

 

[MikeH]

I have no problems agreeing with your general message, just two points with slightly different emphasis.

Just as spitting out a load is less likely to "linger" somewhere dangerous than swallowing.

The science and statistics are not especially challenging, it is an easily solvable problem

In my understanding spitting and swallowing will get rid of pretty much the same amount of fluids in this case. Both would still require you to flush the remainder out with water etc to be on the safer side.

Clinical trial of this kind would require injecting standard amounts of fluids with virus into people's mouths and study how many get infected. Not the first thing any medical doctor is willing to do, they would recommend CBJ instead and leave it at that.

 

[akasam]

You don't need a double blind clinical study to get enough data to make a statistically useful conclusion. There are many natural experiments that can be analyzed and data collected if anyone were motivated to look. Further, it would be possible to artificially change the data by regulation, fees, etc. The big problem is that most of this activity is illegal or underground so people tend not to be honest and open about it. That's a pity.

Imperfect experiments, for sure, but people who know what they're doing are really good at learning from such experiments these days.

 

[Yuriko]

With no offense to anyone with this post, it is only for my personal decision making... I found a provider that that I am looking forward to meet and then i can into her dated profile where she has advertised above services. While i understand some risk is always in the hobby, and some precautions we take just for peace of mind, for many years i have been in the hobby, I have not seen anyone that openly offers CIM (Swallow). Is there anyone out there that shares my opinion?

I remember someone mentioned that some girls at [Redacted] offer by upcell, who seemed to like doing swallow of CIM. Why not checking escourt reviews? I got the info. there.

 

[akasam]

I remember someone mentioned that some girls at [Redacted] offer by upcell, who seemed to like doing swallow of CIM. Why not checking escourt reviews? I got the info. there.

I don't think the term upsell is appropriate here, but I know the crowd will be split on this.

As a provider I think it's important for you to understand the difference, regardless of the terminology.

Upselling is a negative term for a somewhat pushy and annoying tactic to sell the customer on a more expensive option or upgrade that they didn't initially want (but they get talked into it or get carried away).

I consider what [Redacted] is doing just another option (like cosplay) and unless the sales people are pushing it in the shop it's totally fair and reasonable.

If you offered FIV for an extra fee upfront as part of your menu that would be fine. If someone really wants to do that and offers to upgrade in the middle of a session, also okay.

What is usually frowned upon would be you pushing that option up front and even worse would be you breaking the mood by pushing it in the middle of the session.

Just my opinion. How you conduct business is, of course, up to you.

 

[whocares]

I sortof agree...I think, it depends on what is usual...i.e. if every other provider offers CIM as being included, then it's effectively an upsell to charge for an option everyone expects...I get your point that it's not a traditional "buy the extra warranty" pressure tactic...

I would be interested to see what percentage of [Redacted] customers add it on.

I will say that I think it is upselling to have CBJ for 60 min and BBBJ for 90...since that is clearly designed to push customers to 90 min.

 

[akasam]

I will say that I think it is upselling to have CBJ for 60 min and BBBJ for 90...since that is clearly designed to push customers to 90 min.

I respect that opinion, but I see it differently as the BBBJ is still an option at 60 mins. I look at it like a car wash where for one price you get the standard service and the deluxe price includes a package of extras (some of which you may not even want). It's still a marketing gimmick, just one I don't mind.

How this looks to people I'm sure depends largely on whether they're from a place where CBJ is the norm or BBBJ is the norm.

I would be interested to see what percentage of [Redacted] customers add it on.

I'm curious as to how many pay for swallowing and how that correlates to the health of the girls. Just waiting on my research grant funding to come through.

 

[whocares]

Personally, I wouldn't pay for it...I understand the appeal...and I actually enjoy if a girlfriend does it...but, at the end of the day, and I will be crude...once it's in her mouth, frankly I don't care enough about it to want to spend $40 extra to have her swallow vs spit...if money was no object, then I would probably add it on. As it is...it's not the best use of money for me...

 

[Yuriko]

I don't think the term upsell is appropriate here, but I know the crowd will be split on this.

As a provider I think it's important for you to understand the difference, regardless of the terminology.

Upselling is a negative term for a somewhat pushy and annoying tactic to sell the customer on a more expensive option or upgrade that they didn't initially want (but they get talked into it or get carried away).

I consider what [Redacted] is doing just another option (like cosplay) and unless the sales people are pushing it in the shop it's totally fair and reasonable.

If you offered FIV for an extra fee upfront as part of your menu that would be fine. If someone really wants to do that and offers to upgrade in the middle of a session, also okay.

What is usually frowned upon would be you pushing that option up front and even worse would be you breaking the mood by pushing it in the middle of the session.

Just my opinion. How you conduct business is, of course, up to you.

I guess it's still additional sell, anyway. To guys, if a person says, "You can get CIM and swallow it, by plus 7,000 yen. Would you like to add that, as an option? " It's optional, but still could be more selling factor.

 

[akasam]

Personally, I wouldn't pay for it...I understand the appeal...and I actually enjoy if a girlfriend does it...but, at the end of the day, and I will be crude...once it's in her mouth, frankly I don't care enough about it to want to spend $40 extra to have her swallow vs spit...if money was no object, then I would probably add it on. As it is...it's not the best use of money for me...

Totally agree. Yeah sure, try almost everything once, but for some guys I think it's a domination thing in getting the girl to do something she really doesn't want to do (not that there's anything wrong with it if she's into it too).

What I really don't like is when the girl rushes off immediately to the bathroom as if she has just been poisoned, then you hear spitting and rinsing and it's an ordeal. I understand it, but it kills any GFE and intimacy afterwards. Using a kleenex discreetly is far preferable if she can do it.

 

[whocares]

I guess...but it's funny...it seems, by definition, not to be a domination thing when you are paying for something that's listed as an option...but, having said that, people can convince themselves of almost anything...once they have paid, maybe the illusion of that is enough...I don't know.

Yah...I have only had one gf who liked to swallow...the rest run to the bathroom...so for me that's the norm...and, honestly, I feel grateful she blew me and if the price is her running to the bathroom, so be it...

 

[Yuriko]

I guess...but it's funny...it seems, by definition, not to be a domination thing when you are paying for something that's listed as an option...but, having said that, people can convince themselves of almost anything...once they have paid, maybe the illusion of that is enough...I don't know.

Yah...I have only had one gf who liked to swallow...the rest run to the bathroom...so for me that's the norm...and, honestly, I feel grateful she blew me and if the price is her running to the bathroom, so be it...

I find to swallow it, is a very personal thing and quite demand, tbh. It has meaning, if she's your gf or a lover that does that for you. But I bet by p4p who look for swallow can be a fetish for guys that has such pleasure for looking at it when she does? I've done it personally in the past but not for p4p clients, had no issue, afterwards. Some girls like it, some don't. I'm the latter...Maybe it's cute, when a young girl does that for you. But matured??

 

[akasam]

I guess...but it's funny...it seems, by definition, not to be a domination thing when you are paying for something that's listed as an option...but, having said that, people can convince themselves of almost anything...once they have paid, maybe the illusion of that is enough...I don't know.

Sure, if it's on the menu then ethically there's not much wrong with it. The entire encounter would never have happened without money changing hands.

However, there are parts of every job that are worse than others and not all the girls are really up for that option even if it's listed. So for me, the deciding factor would be is the girl happy when she sees that option was selected (yay, more money) or bummed (ugh, I have to do that again). Either reaction might occur for CIM or for cosplay - different girls care about different things (bless them).

What's different about this to me is the unnecessary control. Why should someone care what she does with the cum (I think you and I agree on this). Cum on face or in mouth is different, there is a visual and/or tactile difference that is exciting for some.

I'm not dissing this as a fetish, just saying it's in a different category - more towards domination and discipline than anything else at these places. Some might justify it as just GFE and that's fine, if that's what they're truly thinking.