Deposits & Advance Payments For Escorts

[User#6517]

Would you feel comfortable sending a provider you’re really interested in a deposit (refundable/non-refundable) or a percentage of her fee in advance in order to confirm the booking?

I understand that many clients would like to keep their identity private, so what about deposits or advance payments in the form of gift cards (such as Amazon), or maybe Bitcoin?

I’m not talking about a provider that you randomly chose, but one that you’ve been interested in meeting for some time and you know is legit (based on reviews, social media, etc.)

Thanks in advance.

 

[e-smile]

no way

 

[Mischa Maxwell]

Would you feel comfortable sending a provider...
Thanks in advance.

In Australia, this is very common practice, especially when meeting a new client for the first time.

I have Delivery Code, and I know that @Anna Summer does too. This way, a client can send a small amount like ¥5,000 to secure our time together. I can’t see his information, he can’t see my information.

I can see why some clients would hesitate, but this isn’t a non-refundable deposit.
In the extremely rare event that I had to cancel, I would send the money back. Ditto if the client cancels a week in advance.

I’ve refused all other bookings to ensure that I can spend my time with a client that has made a booking. If he cancels at the last second, at least I have enough money to cover transport home again.

 

[jhingy567]

A small amount seems fair enough to guarantee the booking if the girl doesn't have to travel far. Maybe $5 or $10 .

 

[meiji]

Would you feel comfortable sending a provider you’re really interested in a deposit (refundable/non-refundable) or a percentage of her fee in advance in order to confirm the booking?

No.

But generally I'm not spending that much on an escort. I probably WOULD be willing to do that if it was someone I'd previously seen and trusted, and I wanted to reserve time with her, or, say if it was an org that I knew well and I was reserving time with a knockout. I do find it annoying with a lot of delivery health or AAMPs (in the US) where they only take same-day appointments and I can't book several days in advance. But it's really not a matter of my privacy necessarily, it's that guys are just as afraid of losing their money as women are.

Requiring deposits is one way of screening, but might reduce your possible pool of clients. Using other forms of screening, including Preferred 411, where you might be able to give private feedback on clients that no-showed on you, etc, is another.

 

[BB0523]

Sending a deposit is a pain in the ass... if you want to keep it a strictly cash transaction... if using on-line payment then maybe not so much of a hassle. I understand the provider wants to insure she can cover her costs, so if first time client then I understand the motivation... the problem is there are many unscrupulous people who would take the deposit and skip... so how does the client protect themselves against this ? It all comes down to trust, and sadly that's a dyeing commodity in this world... One option is to create a thread for providers: Client Review, just as we review providers on this site. TAG manager would have to approve this, but seems reasonable to me... Of course, it would need to be based on facts and not some vendetta to flame... I can guess many clients may not like this... Could also use a "ranking" system so a provider can see it there is high risk or low risk etc.. Just my opinion....

 

[TAG Manager]

Deposits work in some markets, but at least in Japan, it only will isolate the provider. Sure, some clients will do it... but with many options at hand, it’s not always going to be worth the hassle.

In my own personal view, it’s not something I would do myself. But, I do understand why some ladies prefer or even require deposits.

 

[just4fun]

I sure hope back page starts something like this. I bet they'd be jumping up and down

 

[Frenchy]

Maybe, as proof of seriousness. However in this case I would appreciate the escort to handle me back 50% immediately after I give the remaining cash at the beginning of the session, as some kind of "reverse-deposit" which I would happily return at the end , if satisfied. Fair enough huh?
(and since it's Thanksgiving, thanks for allowing me back in your threads )

 

[Mischa Maxwell]

Maybe, as proof of seriousness. However in this case I would appreciate the escort to handle me back 50% immediately after I give the remaining cash at the beginning of the session, as some kind of "reverse-deposit" which I would happily return at the end , if satisfied. Fair enough huh?
(and since it's Thanksgiving, thanks for allowing me back in your threads )

But what happens if, (in very rare cases) the client seems physically satisfied in the booking but then goes on to write a negative and unfair review, thus potentially damaging an escort’s business and self-esteem?

Would the client be honest about how they felt, and opt to keep their “reverse-deposit” in lieu of writing a review?
Or would they pretend to be a gentleman, not say a word about their satisfaction level, return their “reverse-deposit” then write a disparaging review anyway?

 

[Frenchy]

But what happens if, (in very rare cases) the client seems physically satisfied in the booking but then goes on to write a negative and unfair review, thus potentially damaging an escort’s business and self-esteem?

Would the client be honest about how they felt, and opt to keep their “reverse-deposit” in lieu of writing a review?
Or would they pretend to be a gentleman, not say a word about their satisfaction level, return their “reverse-deposit” then write a disparaging review anyway?

Personally if that had happened (the deposit thing) I would have kept it , explained why I keep it, and not write a negative review.

PS : but in case of misleading pics I would probably write about it anyway, to warn others

 

[jhingy567]

this reverse deposit thing might work as a marketing point, similar to "money-back guarantees" some businesses offer.
In this situation, keeping the deposit should not preclude an unhappy client from writing a truthful review...

If a choice between the two, More people would be willing to vent in a review online than to directly confront the girl with their dissatisfaction by keeping the money.

Anyway, I Don't think many escorts would/should do this, because of potential for shameless one-time clients to abuse the policy. Like those people who return crumbs of a birthday cake for a full refund at costco...

 

[Frenchy]

Like those people who return crumbs of a birthday cake for a full refund at costco...

Damn! Seriously some people do that?!

 

[jhingy567]

Damn! Seriously some people do that?!

Yeah that's what I heard. They have a no questions asked refund policy, especially for food.
Also funny stories of people returning 2 year old stained mattresses with springs exposed and maggots crawling out....
Obviously wouldn't happen in Japan, but in the USA....

 

[Frenchy]

Yeah that's what I heard. They have a no questions asked refund policy, especially for food.
Also funny stories of people returning 2 year old stained mattresses with springs exposed and maggots crawling out....
Obviously wouldn't happen in Japan, but in the USA....

yeah well i guess that if they are refused the return then there would be lawyers at the door proposing their services ... like the guy who got millions at WalMart for whatever vicious watermelons did to him . Anyway we're getting off-topic.

My whole point was that I would accept to pay a deposit if the escort accepts the reverse-deposit (or refund) thing too. Which I guess is a very very hypothetical case

 

[Sudsy]

Obviously wouldn't happen in Japan,

Totally happens in Japan. Japanese consumers are merciless. On the whole, if there’s a way to take advantage of a policy, they’ll do it.

 

[User#6517]

I was thinking of using the “reverse-deposit” method that Frenchy mentioned.

For example, I currently charge 35,000 for an hour, so clients could send me an advance payment of 5,000yen to prove that they’re serious, and when they get to the booking, they only have to pay the remaining 30,000yen in cash. If by any chance, we’re not feeling the chemistry within the first 5 minutes that we’re together, they can keep the 30,000yen and I’ll keep the 5,000yen deposit to cover transportation costs and the time I took to get ready for a client.

At least for a few months. I currently live a little over an hour away from most meetup spots, and most clients cancel on me or ghost mid-conversation at the very last minute, so it would just be nice to have more reliable clients.

When I’m ready to move back to the center, I will most likely stop asking for deposits.

What do you guys think?

 

[TAG Manager]

I was thinking of using the “reverse-deposit” method that Frenchy mentioned.

For example, I currently charge 35,000 for an hour, so clients could send me an advance payment of 5,000yen to prove that they’re serious, and when they get to the booking, they only have to pay the remaining 30,000yen in cash. If by any chance, we’re not feeling the chemistry within the first 5 minutes that we’re together, they can keep the 30,000yen and I’ll keep the 5,000yen deposit to cover transportation costs and the time I took to get ready for a client.

At least for a few months. I currently live a little over an hour away from most meetup spots, and most clients cancel on me or ghost mid-conversation at the very last minute, so it would just be nice to have more reliable clients.

When I’m ready to move back to the center, I will most likely stop asking for deposits.

What do you guys think?

On the surface... sounds reasonable.
I’m 50/50 on the whole idea, I’m just very curious to see what kind of reception it will get and how many people would do it.

I do completely get the point about people disappearing or standing you up. Those people aren’t men, they are just cowards.

 

[jiraiyajiraiya]

5k for nothing? Err sure no.

 

[User#6517]

5k for nothing? Err sure no.

If I may ask, do you use P4P? Because you don’t seem to have written any reviews so far.

I’m keeping in mind that some repliers may not even use escorts’ services in the first place.

 

[Desktop]

A guy who really wants to see someone will go through the hoops.
I was thinking of a deposit might be justified if you met the person & they want an extended period of time.
Also if it's more than two days in advanced I could see it. The day before or same day might be difficult if this model is standard.
I'm not saying I'd pay it but I could see the logic in these scenarios. (I don't book way in advance or do long extended periods of time)

 

[AMcguyver]

I was thinking of using the “reverse-deposit” method that Frenchy mentioned.

For example, I currently charge 35,000 for an hour, so clients could send me an advance payment of 5,000yen to prove that they’re serious, and when they get to the booking, they only have to pay the remaining 30,000yen in cash. If by any chance, we’re not feeling the chemistry within the first 5 minutes that we’re together, they can keep the 30,000yen and I’ll keep the 5,000yen deposit to cover transportation costs and the time I took to get ready for a client.

At least for a few months. I currently live a little over an hour away from most meetup spots, and most clients cancel on me or ghost mid-conversation at the very last minute, so it would just be nice to have more reliable clients.

When I’m ready to move back to the center, I will most likely stop asking for deposits.

What do you guys think?

I'd say that was very reasonable. We do it all the time - if a client books us for a photoshoot or event, there is a deposit upfront because of all the prep work and arrangements that have to be done prior to the job. Of course we refund it if the client has to cancel (at least 24 hours prior to the shoot date). I don't see any problem with a professional escort doing the same.

 

[jhingy567]

most clients cancel on me or ghost mid-conversation at the very last minute

most?? Wtf?!...some people just don't have basic manners.


Actually, i'm not sure whether that deposit idea will be good for business.
Personally, I wouldn't mind paying ('risking') a 5k deposit for a girl who has a good rep that I (really) wanted to see.

Other points which came to my mind:
-If you can't make the appointment and there's no chance of rescheduling, will there be a way to refund this deposit?

-You will probably lose quite a few clients to escorts who don't have that requirement.
From a client perspective: Along with privacy concerns and payment logistics, indep. escorts aren't exactly an official business/company so there's not much recourse if things go bad (apart from maybe a negative review).
Things like Pro photographers are a little different. Not sure about Japan, but in Australia, they're usually a registered business (have an ABN) and if they engage in bad business practices - there are legal avenues customers can take.

-If it's really just to minimize no-shows, even a smaller amount would probably do the trick like 1k yen. Sunk cost fallacy.
Or... maybe ask for confirmation a few hours beforehand, otherwise you won't leave or get ready for the date?

 

[User#6517]

most?? Wtf?!...some people just don't have basic manners.

Actually, i'm not sure whether that deposit idea will be good for business.
Personally, I wouldn't mind paying ('risking') a 5k deposit for a girl who has a good rep that I (really) wanted to see.

Other points which came to my mind:
-If you can't make the appointment and there's no chance of rescheduling, will there be a way to refund this deposit?

-You will probably lose quite a few clients to escorts who don't have that requirement.
From a client perspective: Along with privacy concerns and payment logistics, indep. escorts aren't exactly an official business/company so there's not much recourse if things go bad (apart from maybe a negative review).
Things like Pro photographers are a little different. Not sure about Japan, but in Australia, they're usually a registered business (have an ABN) and if they engage in bad business practices - there are legal avenues customers can take.

-If it's really just to minimize no-shows, even a smaller amount would probably do the trick like 1k yen. Sunk cost fallacy.
Or... maybe ask for confirmation a few hours beforehand, otherwise you won't leave or get ready for the date?

Unfortunately, yes. It happens a lot. I’m not the only indie who experiences it.

That’s what I’m trying to figure out right now. If a client cancels at least 24 hours before the booking, I will refund the deposit. I just need to figure out how to send it back. If it’s with Bitcoin, it’ll be easy, but I don’t know if they’d appreciate an Amazon gift card back. I know some countries don’t even have Amazon.

I feel like it’s not really losing clients, but dodging timewasters. What is a provider going to do with a 5,000yen deposit? Run away to Italy? It’s not smart to risk your entire business for that amount of money.

A 1,000yen deposit wouldn’t work for me because that wouldn’t even cover transportation costs. If a client is willing to pay me 30,000yen for one hour, but thinks 5,000yen for a deposit is too much, it doesn’t make sense to me.

You also have to consider the time we take in order to get ready. When I meet clients, I usually spent about 2-3 hours on hair and makeup. I want to look good, and I would highly prefer not to waste that much time if somebody is just going to cancel on me an hour or 30 minutes before we’re supposed to meet..

* I just want to be clear that these deposits are only for first-time clients. I trust my regulars and they very rarely cancel on me. *

 

[impish]

I can understand why you would want to do it. I don't know if I'd be willing to do it. It would really depend on the method, for example you mention a gift not sure how that works. I suspect they give you a digital gift card #, and if they cancel you just don't use it? I mean what's to stop them from the minute before they decide to cancel just entering that gift card number into their account. I suspect the person buying the gift card also gets a copy of the number electronically? no? (i've only ever bought physical gift cards).