Two Sugar Dates that went well

[ur19877]

This past trip, I stayed away from less P4P activity, and dates with girls I knew from the past, but knew there would be no sex. I went back to Sugar Dating, as I saw it was a good chance to mix the sexual activity that I get with DH's and the companionship I get with dates from girls I knew.

I reactivated the premium membership with SA, so i could communicate with the girls. I then messages various girls who fit what I was looking for. Similar to deciding on which Style group girl I wanted, I was going to use this approach in deciding what kind of girl I wanted to meet from SA.

What I wanted
1. Younger girl 18-21. Innocent, cute style
2. MILF type woman- ages 35+
3. Under 25 college girl.

I exchanged communications with about 10 girls.

Some Comments/Stats
1. Most to all the girls wanted to perform the negotiations before the meet and greet.
2. Unlike last year, all the girls wanted payment for the meet and greet.
3. Even the girls that say they want to get you know you better before anything physical happens, talked about monetary amounts during the initial exchanges.
4. For the girls I had contact with, it seems like 50K seems to be minimum for meal/sex.
5. Except for the three girls I dated, either the girl or I flaked out on establishing enough communication to finalize the meeting. I think I could have had a few dates with some MILF's, but with the time I had, I ended focusing on three dates.


Sugar Dates
1. From the description and picture from Line, this girl (30 years old), seemed to be a club/party type girl with a smoking face and body. At the lunch meeting, she was pretty homely and down to earth. I would hang out with her again, but not give her allowance for the next meeting or sex. I gave her 10K for lunch/coffee and she was very happy. In the past, I would not have paid, but I didn't know if it was the new norm and I really wanted to meet her.
2. College girl, about age 25. She was cute enough and had a nice personality. We agreed on 50K for dinner and sex. We got along well, and sex was average but good. I didn't expect her to be a pro in bed and would have been dissapointed if she was. I was hoping she would be more of an M type personality, but she was pretty majime (serious) and sexually, she is a budding S in the works. During our second encounter, she was more of the S, and I was the M, for the first time in my life. It was pretty exciting and I think she is a keeper.
3. Young 20's, From the pictures she gave me, she was super sexy and a glam type girl. We had a quick dinner at restaurant in the NeWoman mall, in which she got drunk. After our dinner, I lead her to the taxi and off the love hotel district we went. During the makeout session in the taxi, I said I could give her 50K. She said that another guy gave her 100K, and I said I couldn't afford it and stopped the cab. She said how about 80K, and that would include the taxi fare home, because we knew we would probably miss the last train. I agreed, because again, this girl was super hot, and I have little will power. Off to the love hotel we went, and sex was great. She was a total M type personality and who took my lead in every way. The combination of me being tired and annoyed by the tightness of the condom from the LH, lead to be not cumming. I royally F'd up by not bringing my own condoms. She then feels bad and asks me what she can do to help me cum. That was one of the biggest turn on moments in my life. So, she has a porn star type body, M type personality in bed and genuinely seems like a sweet girl (or is a pro at acting). I don't regret the 80K for now.

Couple of Questions
1. The last time I tried SA (1.5 years ago), it wasn't too hard to move from the SA messages to Line. But after I suggested talking via Line, most of the girls did not reply, or we spoke on What's App. Is this normal?
2. Is 50K a good baseline for date and sex for a girl in young to mid 20's?

 

[Ken1988]

2. Is 50K a good baseline for date and sex for a girl in young to mid 20's?

It's the impression of my experience in Tokyo last summer, too.

 

[Frenchy]

This past trip, I stayed away from less P4P activity, and dates with girls I knew from the past, but knew there would be no sex. I went back to Sugar Dating, as I saw it was a good chance to mix the sexual activity that I get with DH's and the companionship I get with dates from girls I knew.

I reactivated the premium membership with SA, so i could communicate with the girls. I then messages various girls who fit what I was looking for. Similar to deciding on which Style group girl I wanted, I was going to use this approach in deciding what kind of girl I wanted to meet from SA.

What I wanted
1. Younger girl 18-21. Innocent, cute style
2. MILF type woman- ages 35+
3. Under 25 college girl.

I exchanged communications with about 10 girls.

Some Comments/Stats
1. Most to all the girls wanted to perform the negotiations before the meet and greet.
2. Unlike last year, all the girls wanted payment for the meet and greet.
3. Even the girls that say they want to get you know you better before anything physical happens, talked about monetary amounts during the initial exchanges.
4. For the girls I had contact with, it seems like 50K seems to be minimum for meal/sex.
5. Except for the three girls I dated, either the girl or I flaked out on establishing enough communication to finalize the meeting. I think I could have had a few dates with some MILF's, but with the time I had, I ended focusing on three dates.


Sugar Dates
1. From the description and picture from Line, this girl (30 years old), seemed to be a club/party type girl with a smoking face and body. At the lunch meeting, she was pretty homely and down to earth. I would hang out with her again, but not give her allowance for the next meeting or sex. I gave her 10K for lunch/coffee and she was very happy. In the past, I would not have paid, but I didn't know if it was the new norm and I really wanted to meet her.
2. College girl, about age 25. She was cute enough and had a nice personality. We agreed on 50K for dinner and sex. We got along well, and sex was average but good. I didn't expect her to be a pro in bed and would have been dissapointed if she was. I was hoping she would be more of an M type personality, but she was pretty majime (serious) and sexually, she is a budding S in the works. During our second encounter, she was more of the S, and I was the M, for the first time in my life. It was pretty exciting and I think she is a keeper.
3. Young 20's, From the pictures she gave me, she was super sexy and a glam type girl. We had a quick dinner at restaurant in the NeWoman mall, in which she got drunk. After our dinner, I lead her to the taxi and off the love hotel district we went. During the makeout session in the taxi, I said I could give her 50K. She said that another guy gave her 100K, and I said I couldn't afford it and stopped the cab. She said how about 80K, and that would include the taxi fare home, because we knew we would probably miss the last train. I agreed, because again, this girl was super hot, and I have little will power. Off to the love hotel we went, and sex was great. She was a total M type personality and who took my lead in every way. The combination of me being tired and annoyed by the tightness of the condom from the LH, lead to be not cumming. I royally F'd up by not bringing my own condoms. She then feels bad and asks me what she can do to help me cum. That was one of the biggest turn on moments in my life. So, she has a porn star type body, M type personality in bed and genuinely seems like a sweet girl (or is a pro at acting). I don't regret the 80K for now.

Couple of Questions
1. The last time I tried SA (1.5 years ago), it wasn't too hard to move from the SA messages to Line. But after I suggested talking via Line, most of the girls did not reply, or we spoke on What's App. Is this normal?
2. Is 50K a good baseline for date and sex for a girl in young to mid 20's?

1. No idea. I used both Line and Whatsapp. Maybe you tried to move too quickly?

2. Yes , but of course YMMV. There were some who wanted more, even to ridiculous levels, and found one who is just happy to be travelled and entertained (not that much cheaper by the way, but at least I can spend the extra money on fun things with her instead of just handling cash)

Follow-up question: were they all Japanese?
I found there are more and more foreigners on SA (but havent used it recently)

 

[ur19877]

1. No idea. I used both Line and Whatsapp. Maybe you tried to move too quickly?

2. Yes , but of course YMMV. There were some who wanted more, even to ridiculous levels, and found one who is just happy to be travelled and entertained (not that much cheaper by the way, but at least I can spend the extra money on fun things with her instead of just handling cash)

Follow-up question: were they all Japanese?
I found there are more and more foreigners on SA (but havent used it recently)

Thanks Frenchy, yes they were all Japanese.

I don’t think I moved too fast. Maybe after the 6th exchange?

Funny while I agreed to pay for only the date, it was your voice in the back my head calling me a sucker and laughing. Lol.

 

[Frenchy]

Thanks Frenchy, yes they were all Japanese.

I don’t think I moved too fast. Maybe after the 6th exchange?

Funny while I agreed to pay for only the date, it was your voice in the back my head calling me a sucker and laughing. Lol.

Lol! It if can help , I have been a sucker many other times and it costed way more. In fact I envy the guys who just want sex , period. When you are in it for that elusive “connection” thing , or simply for someone to enjoy spending time with , not just to satisfy your dick, it gets more complicated for sure

 

[Browcoco]

I don’t use SA, but let me share my experience from the Japanese sugar world, which may be helpful as presumably the Japanese people on SA are at least aware of if not directly influenced by it.

Things are pretty mixed in terms of using Line. Some women are happy to exchange Line contacts quickly, some only do so after meeting and some won’t ever (and many of those will only exchange KakaoTalk). In my experience, the last category tends to be the most experienced (jaded?) subcategory, so for better or worse I tend to filter them out.

50K is probably a decent baseline for SA, assuming that these are people who can also speak English. In the Japanese sugar world it’s probably somewhat high (although common), and the difference is likely supply and demand (there is probably a smaller universe of English speaking SBs on SA).

My experience recently is that the market has come down somewhat, with more people happy with 30-40K (although there are always people asking for 50 or more, with the sky being the limit). I’m not really into negotiating (if someone who I’m otherwise interested in asks for 50K I’ll give it, or just walk away if I’m not interested), but the word on 5chan is that many women will come down if you do negotiate. Many people do ask for 10k for a meet, which I am okay to do, but the best experiences I’ve had are with girls who don’t ask for anything just for meeting (I give them 10K anyway as a thank you). Some women are clearly just in it for the 10K for the meet, and I do my best to avoid those.

 

[Frenchy]

I don’t use SA, but let me share my experience from the Japanese sugar world, which may be helpful as presumably the Japanese people on SA are at least aware of if not directly influenced by it.

Things are pretty mixed in terms of using Line. Some women are happy to exchange Line contacts quickly, some only do so after meeting and some won’t ever (and many of those will only exchange KakaoTalk). In my experience, the last category tends to be the most experienced (jaded?) subcategory, so for better or worse I tend to filter them out.

50K is probably a decent baseline for SA, assuming that these are people who can also speak English. In the Japanese sugar world it’s probably somewhat high (although common), and the difference is likely supply and demand (there is probably a smaller universe of English speaking SBs on SA).

My experience recently is that the market has come down somewhat, with more people happy with 30-40K (although there are always people asking for 50 or more, with the sky being the limit). I’m not really into negotiating (if someone who I’m otherwise interested in asks for 50K I’ll give it, or just walk away if I’m not interested), but the word on 5chan is that many women will come down if you do negotiate. Many people do ask for 10k for a meet, which I am okay to do, but the best experiences I’ve had are with girls who don’t ask for anything just for meeting (I give them 10K anyway as a thank you). Some women are clearly just in it for the 10K for the meet, and I do my best to avoid those.

Yeah, I remember that mega-bitch who didn’t ask for anything until the meet and greet and I treated her to a nice lunch , actually kinda liked her, until she asked out of the blue “please give me 20k now for taxi money”
Laughed, gave her 5k with a scornful look, left, blocked her and reported her to SA’s admin.

Which Japanese sites do you use by the way?

 

[ur19877]

Yeah, I remember that mega-bitch who didn’t ask for anything until the meet and greet and I treated her to a nice lunch , actually kinda liked her, until she asked out of the blue “please give me 20k now for taxi money”
Laughed, gave her 5k with a scornful look, left, blocked her and reported her to SA’s admin.

Which Japanese sites do you use by the way?

I don't...I am several steps away from that.. lol.. aspirations (sigh)

 

[Tokidoki]

Couple of Questions
1. The last time I tried SA (1.5 years ago), it wasn't too hard to move from the SA messages to Line. But after I suggested talking via Line, most of the girls did not reply, or we spoke on What's App. Is this normal?
2. Is 50K a good baseline for date and sex for a girl in young to mid 20's?

My feedback to these few points:
1) LINE, WhatsApp, Kik - All no problem. I prefer LINE because I don't have release my personal phone number.
2) My personal range is 30-80k, based on length of activity and obviously if she's really worth it or not. I don't pay them for intro, but I cover food, drinks, etc. Most I've ever paid was 100k for 1 whole day + overnight + expenses. (Worth it)

 

[Browcoco]

Which Japanese sites do you use by the way?

I have accounts on sugardaddy.jp and Paters. Paters has a much better search function but also seems to have many more girls looking to be paid to go on platonic dates. It’s also much more expensive and I doubt I will renew once my subscription is up. Sugardaddy’s website is not particularly user friendly, but I’ve had much better experiences on it. I’m nearing the end of a “recruiting phase” (have found a few people I like), after which I’ll probably stop using it for ~six months until things run their course. This is the third or fourth time I’ve come back to it.

 

[aspidistra]

In my experience -- not SA, I've more or less stopped meeting people there, but rather in the Japanese sugar world -- the current "market" is at 30-50k, with exceptions upward for girls who can ask for more because they're in the entertainment industry and so on. 5-10k for the initial meet is also a very common practice. You can talk potential partners down a price peg if you're good at it (or persistent), but in practice I've found that -- especially since your partner is almost certainly seeing other people apart from you -- offering 50k instead of 40k means you're going to get prioritised over anyone else looking to save a bit of money. This doesn't cost a lot, and is particularly useful if you have a busy schedule and find it difficult to slot dates in.

 

[oLUXo]

In my experience -- not SA, I've more or less stopped meeting people there, but rather in the Japanese sugar world -- the current "market" is at 30-50k, with exceptions upward for girls who can ask for more because they're in the entertainment industry and so on. 5-10k for the initial meet is also a very common practice. You can talk potential partners down a price peg if you're good at it (or persistent), but in practice I've found that -- especially since your partner is almost certainly seeing other people apart from you -- offering 50k instead of 40k means you're going to get prioritised over anyone else looking to save a bit of money. This doesn't cost a lot, and is particularly useful if you have a busy schedule and find it difficult to slot dates in.

I agree! The ones that ask for ¥50k are still on SA. The ones that I get ¥30k-¥40k stop using SA and I have regular meetings with. A lot of the same girls there keep using SA which tells me they are gold digging every guy possible.

 

[Frenchy]

I agree! The ones that ask for ¥50k are still on SA. The ones that I get ¥30k-¥40k stop using SA and I have regular meetings with. A lot of the same girls there keep using SA which tells me they are gold digging every guy possible.

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I agree! The ones that ask for ¥50k are still on SA. The ones that I get ¥30k-¥40k stop using SA and I have regular meetings with. A lot of the same girls there keep using SA which tells me they are gold digging every guy possible.

...and you seem to have an issue with that, and so do I (not so much the higher price tag but the “every guy possible gold digging thing”) . But it’s illogical since one of my SBs is a pro. But it’s not the one I call most, more a back-up solution. I’m not into exclusivity though. Strange... , still can’t quite figure out why it bothers me so much. Maybe a lady who is constantly on the hunt is just not as “mentally” with her SD as what he would expect , even when they are together. I guess a SB having a few regulars is not an issue , but constantly looking for new guys is.
Sorry, just rambling with myself.

 

[oLUXo]

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...and you seem to have an issue with that, and so do I (not so much the higher price tag but the “every guy possible gold digging thing”) . But it’s illogical since one of my SBs is a pro. But it’s not the one I call most, more a back-up solution. I’m not into exclusivity though. Strange... , still can’t quite figure out why it bothers me so much. Maybe a lady who is constantly on the hunt is just not as “mentally” with her SD as what he would expect , even when they are together. I guess a SB having a few regulars is not an issue , but constantly looking for new guys is.
Sorry, just rambling with myself.

I don't need exclusivity. The issue is they claim to be too "busy" with work to meet regularly while at the same time, they're still on SA. This tells me they are digging every guy for that same amount while saying they couldn't see you more. That's my only problem. Then there are those that want over ¥200,000 for a month before meeting to even know if you will see them again. So far, outside of SA, I have found the best SBs and I'm not paying premium prices either.

 

[Browcoco]

Strange... , still can’t quite figure out why it bothers me so much. Maybe a lady who is constantly on the hunt is just not as “mentally” with her SD as what he would expect , even when they are together.

I have no problem with the other person having multiple partners. But in my experience some of the ones who do tend not to be as “present” when we’re together. There’s much more of a sense that all they are interested in is the cash, whether that’s from me or from the other people they are seeing - which sounds like what you’re saying, too.

Cash is part of the equation, sure, but if that’s all the other person is about it’s boring as hell for me, and that’s not what I’m looking for.

By the way, if that’s the case for you too, I suggest you never read Japanese sugar baby twitter accounts. Super depressing.

I agree! The ones that ask for ¥50k are still on SA. The ones that I get ¥30k-¥40k stop using SA and I have regular meetings with. A lot of the same girls there keep using SA which tells me they are gold digging every guy possible.

This definitely comports with my experience too. It’s somehat funny because between the agreed upon amount and various gifts, etc, I end up spending more (even on a per meet basis) on girls who ask for less.

 

[Frenchy]

I have no problem with the other person having multiple partners. But in my experience some of the ones who do tend not to be as “present” when we’re together. There’s much more of a sense that all they are interested in is the cash, whether that’s from me or from the other people they are seeing - which sounds like what you’re saying, too.

Cash is part of the equation, sure, but if that’s all the other person is about it’s boring as hell for me, and that’s not what I’m looking for.

By the way, if that’s the case for you too, I suggest you never read Japanese sugar baby twitter accounts. Super depressing.



This definitely comports with my experience too. It’s somehat funny because between the agreed upon amount and various gifts, etc, I end up spending more (even on a per meet basis) on girls who ask for less.

Yes, good comments, kinda similar for me actually. But probably we take it too personally... not sure

 

[Qozy]

sorry for the noob question.. what is SA stands for?

 

[Frenchy]

sorry for the noob question.. what is SA stands for?

Sturmabteilung

 

[Frenchy]

Sturmabteilung

Ok seriously it’s Seeking Arrangement, the leading Sugar site

 

[ur19877]

Yes, good comments, kinda similar for me actually. But probably we take it too personally... not sure

Taking things too personally? Why would be do that??? (insert sarcasm..)

 

[Frenchy]

Taking things too personally? Why would be do that??? (insert sarcasm..)

Because I’m sure that in their sweet sugar minds they don’t mean no harm. They just mean nothing.

 

[oLUXo]

Because I’m sure that in their sweet sugar minds they don’t mean no harm. They just mean nothing.

Nope, they just mean: give me all your money, hurry up, and let me see who else I can fit in to squeeze more money. I'm all for helping, but not the gold digging.

 

[Frenchy]

Nope, they just mean: give me all your money, hurry up, and let me see who else I can fit in to squeeze more money. I'm all for helping, but not the gold digging.

Yeah , understandable.

So, speaking about sugar dates going well, ValentinesQueen just initiated me to the pleasure of penetration while she uses a vibrator on her clit. Feels so damn good because I can feel the vibes too and it makes me harder. Sorry if I look like a noob and all you guys know that already... yep, this old Frenchy learns new tricks from a 22 y-o student! Humbling...

Then she brought me to this weird chic bar where strippers are everywhere (even just above the bottles behind the counter, cf pic), mingling with the crowd, wearing sillk dresses,, feathers, pearls, chains... kind of Shanghai-retro-decadent feel. Amazing!

 

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Yeah , understandable.

So, speaking about sugar dates going well, ValentinesQueen just initiated me to the pleasure of penetration while she uses a vibrator on her clit. Feels so damn good because I can feel the vibes too and it makes me harder. Sorry if I look like a noob and all you guys know that already... yep, this old Frenchy learns new tricks from a 22 y-o student! Humbling...

Then she brought me to this weird chic bar where strippers are everywhere (even just above the bottles behind the counter, cf pic), mingling with the crowd, wearing sillk dresses,, feathers, pearls, chains... kind of Shanghai-retro-decadent feel. Amazing!

Hi Frenchy,

You'll have to tell us all where this bar is now... please

K and P

 

[Frenchy]

Hi Frenchy,

You'll have to tell us all where this bar is now... please

K and P

Its not in Japan