The Guy Of Strawberry Jam Tried To Cheat Me!

[analyzelf]

Service and/or Provider's Name:
Strawberry Jam

Date of Encounter:
2016/04/12

Contact Method:
ssj.jam1999.com

Appointment Length & Costs:
11k

Type/Location:
Fashion-health/Shibuya

Language Notes:
English

Details of the Encounter:
Last thread I said that the guy there was rude, but the girl was nice.

This time the guy at the shop tried to cheat on me.
He asked me for 2k because I didn't have membership card.
I said I came here just a week ago, there was no such thing.
He insisted that I need to pay 2k more.
I said again, I've been there many times already. I knew the rules there. I didn't believe him.
He still insisted..
I had to talk to another guy there. Then they agreed that no need for the 2k fee.
Even I didn't choose the girl myself, I have to wait 30mins. Goddamn..

All the pictures for choice looked too good to be true. That's why I just let him choose one for me. But the girl was surprisingly pretty.
I think western men have different taste of girl from asian men. Anyway as a men from Asia, the girls of the shop always looks pretty enough to me.


Not recommended. But I will repeat.

Most of the shops refused gaijins. And many shop use fake photos.
Since I don't have too many choice, I will repeat. I have to admit that the girls of strawberry jam really looks good, and the price is reasonable.

Final Thoughts:
Not Recommended.

Closing Comments:
The guy at the shop is really a asshole!

 

[analyzelf]

The guy of another similar shop - seafari, is really a nice person.
He even give me recommendation of other shops which have very pretty girls. The shop he mentioned was "American Crystal" at Shinjuku . He said girls there are very Kawayii.
But he was not sure if they accept gaijin or not.

 

[TAG Manager]

Thanks for the feedback and review of your experience.

They clearly stated member's card?

I know that there is a 2,000 yen fee if *you* pick the girl vs. letting them choose.

Not doubting you, just double-checking.

 

[analyzelf]

Thanks for the feedback and review of your experience.

They clearly stated member's card?

I know that there is a 2,000 yen fee if *you* pick the girl vs. letting them choose.

Not doubting you, just double-checking.

Yes, the man said very clearly, and many times - "Member card"
I refused, and finally they agreed.
Then the man asked me to choose a girl and pay 2k. I refused again.

 

[TAG Manager]

Yes, the man said very clearly, and many times - "Member card"
I refused, and finally they agreed.
Then the man asked me to choose a girl and pay 2k. I refused again.

Thanks for the reply - good job for standing your ground in that case. I was looking around and I couldn't find any mention of a member's card before.

 

[WarMonkey]

American Crystal says Only Japanese in English on their door.

 

[pltr]

American Crystal says Only Japanese in English on their door.

heh, that's pretty funny, actually.

 

[WarMonkey]

Isnt it great haha. Xenophobia preventing gaijin from seeing the best girls.

 

[Z Car]

One of the guys that works here has been quite rude to me in the past too (when I came and there were no GF girls available). If they see foreigners as such a hassle then maybe they shouldn't be looking for our business.

 

[jukuhara112]

The guy of another similar shop - seafari, is really a nice person.
He even give me recommendation of other shops which have very pretty girls. The shop he mentioned was "American Crystal" at Shinjuku . He said girls there are very Kawayii.
But he was not sure if they accept gaijin or not.

Seafari was my go-to shop for the better part of the last 6 months and they're all really nice, both front and back staff. One time when they were really busy with lots of reservations I asked him if he knew another shop to go to and he refused to name any. Though maybe he thought I meant another branch of Seafari?

 

[DireWolf98]

Isnt it great haha. Xenophobia preventing gaijin from seeing the best girls.

This is nothing new. Sometimes it's management; sometimes it's the staff; and sometimes it's both.

On a related topic, I remember surfing and posting on the major board for Singapore years ago. The Singaporeans used to post all manner of insults regarding customers who were Ang Mo (white boys). They also made an effort to exchange info about the best quality girls through back channels. Massage Parlors also didn't assign the better quality girls to foreigners.

It's like bad weather, you just have to deal with it.

 

[WarMonkey]

Yeah but it's 2016

 

[DireWolf98]

Yeah but it's 2016

As a gaijin who has been turned away from numerous venues, I understand what you are saying. I won't be disrespectful because you expressed your opinion.

However, we should try to be aware of reality and have reasonable expectations.

The fact is things are better now, in terms of Our Hobby, than they were 10 years ago or so.

There are many more Gaijin Friendly venues.

Back in the 1990s, I was conversing with Taxi Driver taking me to Yoshiwara. I estimated that 5% of the Soaplands would admit foreigners. He countered by saying 10%, because he worked in the neighborhood.

Also, in terms of Japanese logic, merely citing the year carries zero weight -- and sometimes that door swings both ways.

I dropped by Roppongi Krystal (now closed) in 2000 for a session. They told me that foreign customers were not welcome. I replied by saying I had been a customer since 1994 and I rattled-off the various names of girls who had been happy to service me.

Their reply: "It's the 21 Century now." Thus implying that things have changed - one door opened and another closed.

I told them that they were being discriminatory; they replied: "No, we aren't."

I walked away rather than continue that conversation.

 

[User#8628]

Back in the 1990s, I was conversing with Taxi Driver taking me to Yoshiwara. I estimated that 5% of the Soaplands would admit foreigners. He countered by saying 10%, because he worked in the neighborhood.

I wasn't there that time, and was probably still in my diapers if born at all, but from what i've heard from Ww about that time you were even lucky to get in that taxi as a foreigner back then!

 

[DireWolf98]

I wasn't there that time, and was probably still in my diapers if born at all, but from what i've heard from Ww about that time you were even lucky to get in that taxi as a foreigner back then!

Yes, taxi drivers often drove past me. However, most of them were worried about our language ability. They wanted to provide good service, but they could become lost if we couldn't our destinations and directions in Japanese.

Many times I would climb into a taxi and start speaking Japanese. Drivers would immediately express relief because I could speak Japanese.

 

[Sudsy]

Yes, taxi drivers often drove past me. However, most of them were worried about our language ability. They wanted to provide good service, but they could become lost if we couldn't our destinations and directions in Japanese.

Many times I would climb into a taxi and start speaking Japanese. Drivers would immediately express relief because I could speak Japanese.

This was my experience as well... the visible relief on a taxi driver's face when I started speaking Japanese was always a minor source of amusement. These days with the advent of navigation systems, it's not as big a deal, but back then, you needed to be able to give directions if the driver didn't know an area.

 

[DireWolf98]

This was my experience as well... the visible relief on a taxi driver's face when I started speaking Japanese was always a minor source of amusement. These days with the advent of navigation systems, it's not as big a deal, but back then, you needed to be able to give directions if the driver didn't know an area.

Sometimes, it was more than visible relief. Time after time, drivers would happily say: よかった! 外人さん日本語出来ます!

Before navigation systems, you sometimes needed more than providing the taxi driver with the address of the destination in Japanese. You needed to provide directions in Japanese.

A complicating factor was when, due to the continuing Domino Effect of the Burst of the Bubble Economy, was that Tokyo was flooded with unemployed construction workers from Tohoku. Many of those fellahs became taxi drivers and, even for most Japanese, 東北弁 (Tohukuben) is difficult to understand

 

[analyzelf]

LOL, several days ago that guy tried to cheat me again, with a different reason.
The same conversation happened again.
what a asshole..

 

[Wwanderer]

I wasn't there that time, and was probably still in my diapers if born at all, but from what i've heard from Ww about that time you were even lucky to get in that taxi as a foreigner back then!

I always get a warm flattered feeling when I realize how much of my chatter about many topics, including the good/bad old days of the bubble, that you remember, m'lady!

On the taxi drivers ignoring gaijin thing - It has gotten continuously better over the years and decades. It was really terrible in the mid-1980s when I first spent time in Tokyo and was still pretty bad in 1990 when I started spending a lot of time in Japan. In those days you could easily have 10 or 20 or more empty taxis drive right past you without giving you a second glance, even when there were lots of others cruising around and few if any potential customers in sight (in other words, when they obviously did not have a good chance of finding a Japanese customer quickly). I think I waited as much as a half hour to get picked up on occasion back then. These days it is rare to even be passed up even once.

And getting into fuzoku shops of any kind was an enormous challenge. In 1990 I sometimes spent hours, whole evenings, going doggedly from one place to the next, hitting them systematically floor-by-floor and building-by-building, in Kabukicho trying to get admitted with no successes. There was one place that always let me in and that wasn't bad at all, but once I had located it, I always saved it for the end of the evening and went there if I couldn't get in elsewhere...thus gradually expanding the list of places I could go. I eventually met a girl in that one place who spoke a little English and with whom I "clicked". After a few sessions, she started seeing me on the outside, and we developed something akin to a sugar relationship, though we didn't have that term or concept back then.

Anyway, I agree with @DireWolf98 in that I think it best not to get too worked up or aggravated about Japanese racism and xenophobia but to instead just deal with it as one of life's (many) unfortunate realities. And in a way, it is an opportunity to learn nearly unique things by experience if you are a white person, namely what it feels like to be on the receiving end of such discriminatory behavior. One should remember it when one goes back to one's home country where other groups are subject to much worse discrimination.

-Ww

 

[DireWolf98]

LOL, several days ago that guy tried to cheat me again, with a different reason.
The same conversation happened again.
what a asshole..

What reason?

 

[analyzelf]

What reason?

- And service fee for 2k.
- that is bullshit
- We charge 2k for gaijin
- you are kidding me
- ok. fine. give you a discount. this time is an exception.

 

[Lars Lust]

I wasn't there that time, and was probably still in my diapers if born at all, but from what i've heard from Ww about that time you were even lucky to get in that taxi as a foreigner back then!

Indeed, but not necessarily only the gaijin factor. My Tokyo born GF at the time always advised my to hide in the background somewhere while she tried to get an empty taxi to stop. It was clearly a sellers market at the time, and drivers knew that gaijin very likely lived somewhere in Minato-ku, while a lonely Japanese woman after midnight in Roppongi with any luck lived much further away.

 

[DireWolf98]

Indeed, but not necessarily only the gaijin factor. My Tokyo born GF at the time always advised my to hide in the background somewhere while she tried to get an empty taxi to stop. It was clearly a sellers market at the time, and drivers knew that gaijin very likely lived somewhere in Minato-ku, while a lonely Japanese woman after midnight in Roppongi with any luck lived much further away.

Yes, this is also true.

After the trains shut down, taxi drivers all wanted to pick-up drunken salarymen for those rides back to Saitama.

 

[TheScientist]

Yeah but it's 2016

@DireWolf98 said most of what needed to be said but let me add that the last two years have seen a massive influx of foreign tourists to Japan which can have both positive and negative effects on P4P shops acceptance of non-Japanese customers for all the usual reasons. I've heard comments to this effect from shop managers and from providers.

 

[Burnsheetzio]

I always get a warm flattered feeling when I realize how much of my chatter about many topics, including the good/bad old days of the bubble, that you remember, m'lady!

On the taxi drivers ignoring gaijin thing - It has gotten continuously better over the years and decades. It was really terrible in the mid-1980s when I first spent time in Tokyo and was still pretty bad in 1990 when I started spending a lot of time in Japan. In those days you could easily have 10 or 20 or more empty taxis drive right past you without giving you a second glance, even when there were lots of others cruising around and few if any potential customers in sight (in other words, when they obviously did not have a good chance of finding a Japanese customer quickly). I think I waited as much as a half hour to get picked up on occasion back then. These days it is rare to even be passed up even once.

And getting into fuzoku shops of any kind was an enormous challenge. In 1990 I sometimes spent hours, whole evenings, going doggedly from one place to the next, hitting them systematically floor-by-floor and building-by-building, in Kabukicho trying to get admitted with no successes. There was one place that always let me in and that wasn't bad at all, but once I had located it, I always saved it for the end of the evening and went there if I couldn't get in elsewhere...thus gradually expanding the list of places I could go. I eventually met a girl in that one place who spoke a little English and with whom I "clicked". After a few sessions, she started seeing me on the outside, and we developed something akin to a sugar relationship, though we didn't have that term or concept back then.

Anyway, I agree with @DireWolf98 in that I think it best not to get too worked up or aggravated about Japanese racism and xenophobia but to instead just deal with it as one of life's (many) unfortunate realities. And in a way, it is an opportunity to learn nearly unique things by experience if you are a white person, namely what it feels like to be on the receiving end of such discriminatory behavior. One should remember it when one goes back to one's home country where other groups are subject to much worse discrimination.

-Ww

My knee jerk bitchiness was at a fever pitch until the last few sentences. Good on ya. It's nice to see such perspective on the internet any more.