Bad Experience With Nasty Dolls. Pleae Read And Tell Me If I Should Report Them

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Hi guys. I decided to try Manami since there are so many rave reviews. I made a reservation after a few changes because my schedule wasnt fixed and was worried I cant book in time. But i finally made a reservation at 10pm the next day and I made a promise to not change anymore. However, an hour plus before meeting i told the manager i got lost and need 30 more mins to reach by train so I asked if its ok to make it at 1030pm. The manager said ok. So when we finally met and RIGHT after I passed the money, the manager told me she got another appointment and need to go off in 15mins. And said i promise to meet at 10pm so the service end at 1045 technically.WTF?
I asked her why did you say its ok to meet 30mins later then? And she said thats because if she told me she have another appointment, i will end up cancelling. I was furious and said you cant assume what a customer would do and not let him know the consquences. She kept saying I would have cancel and I said I could have taken a taxi back if I needed to and would have save more money and enjoy the service instead of paying for nothing IF you told me about this? I even argued what if i wanted an extension and willing to pay? She couldnt answer. So when I finally shut down all her reasoning, she THREATEN me instead!
She said she will send someone to my room to 'talk' to me. I said even if your staff come, he(notice how i try to hint if its a guy) is not going pay me back right? He is just here to threaten and warn me right? Then she kept quiet again. So I knew thats what she planned to. I pretended I didnt know japanese but I could tell Manami didnt wanted this based on her conversation on the phone with the manager. She even ask the manager if its ok to carry on. She said she didnt know about me asking if i could postpone the session 30mins later. Obviously the manager was lying to her as well. Then, we switched to using the hotel phone since Manami needed to leave, she hung up the moment she left the room and refuse to reply my mails or calls. Tell me if I should pursue this matter or not. I really wanna threaten to call the police on them. Manami was understanding and I have nothing against her but this manager has a very bad attitude dont you all agree?
 
What with this, and your previous review of Lemon Cream, you are certainly not having a good start to your punting career in Japan.

I would let it go, and chalk it up to a bad night. You are not going to get anywhere trying to pursue it, certainly not with the police, and would you really want all that hassle for the few man that it cost you?

From the start of your thread, you already made it sound like you are at fault here, changing the appointment time a few times, and then trying to change it an hour before the appointment is not appreciated by anyone, as some of these women (especially the popular ones) have lots of appointments to fit into their schedule. They most probably just let you continue with your last appointment as they looked on it as your fault you were only left with the limited time, as your appointment should have started at 10pm.

Look at it from their perspective, you try and rearrange the appointment an hour before the scheduled time, they either have the choice of
  • trying to bump everyone else's appointments after yours, who have followed the correct booking procedure and not tried to rearrange (not going to happen)
  • Letting you continue, but finishing the appointment at 10:45, as previously planned
  • Letting you cancel, and have the woman sat around not earning any money
Sure, it was bad of them not to tell you, but you booked a woman's time and if you waste it sat on a train because you can't plan your time, or get lost, then it's not their fault. Scoping out areas, knowing how long it takes from a2b, where the LH is etc. all would make for an easier life.

Sorry if it sounds harsh, but time wasters are a big part of the P4P scene and you just got stung because you turned up when it may have been wiser to piss them off by cancelling instead of trying to rearrange so close to the appointment. The call an hour before the appointment is to confirm, not to rearrange.

Why did they agree to the meet 30 mins later? I would imagine, because they don't care about pissing you off as they think you've wasted their time, and getting you in a room guarantees payment. They are not after your repeat business (1st time user gives them major headache), and all you are doing now, and if you do try to peruse it with the police, is wasting your time (and possibly their's) and making a bad situation even worse.
 
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Honestly i cooled down and dont plan to persue it. But I wanna clear smth up. when I change a few times I did not even confirm, just kept asking since I am a newbie and didnt know it was rude? Of course I know I am wrong in that sense but I didnt wanted to cancel it because i felt bad. And i left an important meeting earlier just to make it in time. So when i know she wanted to cheat my money, i was angry. This is unacceptable because a provider shouldnt carry such a malice intention regardless of what happen right? Actually Manami wanted to carry on from what i evaesdropped so i suspect the 11pm appointment after was a lie as well. This is why I am posting this. Lemon cream and this really burnt a hole in my wallet for nothing. I did have a okay experience with emi from jk style but will post my review another day. Will be going ginza for one night tomorrow, if anyone know of any girl from DH who can give good service with FS and less than 30k, do let me know. I really need some good positive experience before I leave here. Thanks
 
They seemed to have played you only because of your schedule changes. Punctuality is usually expected here from my experience.
 
This is 100% your fault actually. And by rule most have a cancellation policy which requires the lady to be paid in full. I'd say you cancelled by default by not playing on a day where you were not busy. It's not about being a newb, it's about not being organized and considerate. Remember top girls schedule their day out the way they want it. Always keep that in mind. Well happy hunting!
 
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Japan and these services place a lot of emphasis on punctuality. A lesson learned by you and all readers, I guess. I sent you a recommendation so check your inbox.
 
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In these situations it is better to try to keep a positive frame of mind. 15 minutes should be enough for a nice BJ to completion.

Regards,

MossBoss
 
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I know but because i was too enraged since i left something important to make it back and ran from the station just to get cheated lol. I was looking forward to how great her bj skills are since its ben raved by others so well
 
Well don't take our your mistakes on other people! And gaijin are almost shut out of the fun here. Don't mess up things for the rest of us. But hey, at least you thought to ask us dinosaurs and cavemen what we think or thought. As for me, I think you are just learning. Now let it be a lesson to you and then move on.
 
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Everything needed to be stated has been stated. Yeah, you may have your reasons and we understand that. Please understand that these ladies have other appointments and commitments so they don't want to delay or cancel at your expense or that of one individual regardless of the reason.

In Japanese society, they don't give a shit why you may be late sometimes. To them showing up on time means showing up 15 to 30 minutes early. It was more of a cultural violation of anything plus you don't want to mess up her other commitments.

You could have canceled or just ask for another available or soon to be available girl. Companies are cool with this. I have girls cancel on me and/or show up late. Companies either gave me an alternative time for reservation or another girl to select. So always be ready.
 
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Seems to me both sides are wrong here. The Animelover should not have have tried change appointments at the last minute (very very bad etiquette), and Manami should have charged less in this screwed up situation.
I agree with others that the best advice to let it go. Making more trouble will not lead to a good result for anyone.

Choke it up as a learning experience and keep your appointment next time.

NB: My memory of Manami is just about the most spectacular experience ever, but that is several years back.
 
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It's not Manami's decision on what to charge or how ND manage their business. Just to be clear..
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Well yes, but it is this part of the story where I imho Manami was in the wrong (assuming this is true):
"I asked her why did you say its ok to meet 30mins later then? And she said thats because if she told me she have another appointment, i will end up cancelling."

She should have said that that 30 minutes delay simply means 30 minutes less for the same price, and not a 30 minute shift in the schedule, as the punter assumed. That is just simply honesty. Am I missing something?
 
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Well yes, but it is this part of the story where I imho Manami was in the wrong (assuming this is true):
"I asked her why did you say its ok to meet 30mins later then? And she said thats because if she told me she have another appointment, i will end up cancelling."

She should have said that that 30 minutes delay simply means 30 minutes less for the same price, and not a 30 minute shift in the schedule, as the punter assumed. That is just simply honesty. Am I missing something?
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Please read it again:
animelover said:
So when we finally met and RIGHT after I passed the money, the manager told me she got another appointment and need to go off in 15mins. And said i promise to meet at 10pm so the service end at 1045 technically.WTF?
I asked her why did you say its ok to meet 30mins later then? And she said thats because if she told me she have another appointment, i will end up cancelling
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The conversation that is happening, is between ND operator/manager and the client (animelover). As you may know or may not know, ND girls will call the manager to confirm the money and that the appointment is going ahead as planned or whatever changes that need to be approved. (i.e. in this case, Manami was apparently already booked for another appointment after the one Animelover made, so the 'manager' conversation is where this is happening.) The ND girls can't negotiate or change the plan, that's between the ND management and the client.

@animelover - Can you please confirm with us what you actually paid for the time you did get?
 
sorry for the late reply guys. well i was told to pay full by the manager but after I tell her off, she just insist on returning me 10k yen and claim that 12k was manami taxi fare to reach the hotel, which is ridiculous. I didnt get any time with her except for the 1min we took the life together since after that i was on the phone with the manager till she left.
 
animelover said:
sorry for the late reply guys. well i was told to pay full by the manager but after I tell her off, she just insist on returning me 10k yen and claim that 12k was manami taxi fare to reach the hotel, which is ridiculous. I didnt get any time with her except for the 1min we took the life together since after that i was on the phone with the manager till she left.
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No, that is not ridiculous, that is completely fair and generous by her. If this is the way it happened, Manami did nothing wrong, and the blame is entirely on you. The way you told the story before, it sounded differently.
 
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Ok, closing this thread.

Lesson learned: Make your schedule and keep it.
 
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