Deai Cafe Question For Newbie

I'm relatively new to the Deai cafe thing, I've only been going for the last 6 months or so, but I've been 12 - 15 times, in a couple of different cities. Mostly Kirari and the vast majority of the time it has been awesome. In my opinion, these girls are angels, they dole out happiness and joy like Santa on Easter going Trick or Treating. I've only had one bad experience, but I'll get to that later.

First off, I'm looking to have sex with a cute girl in a hotel. I don't mind paying for her time, but I don't want to feel like I'm just fucking a escort for money. I've tried nearly all of the more traditional routes of P4P and I've just always felt like the process was too impersonal and sterile. But at the Deai cafe there is that element of rejection risk versus acceptance that makes the whole thing feel a bit more real. While some of the girls are full-on professionals, most of the ones that I've gone out with have just been part-timers. My normal time frame has been early to mid-afternoon, but I've gone in the evenings as well, exclusively weekdays - I've never been on a Saturday or Sunday. I've been to Shinjuku and Shibuya (but not the gyaku nanpa one, just the other two). I'm in my mid 40's, I'm white, I speak Japanese pretty well, I'm in good shape and I dress fairly well - not Armani suits, but not Uniqlo.

I've got a pretty standard formula now. I pick whichever girl I think is prettiest, or if I don't like any then I go to a different shop. When they come into the two-shot I introduce myself, tell them I'm American (which always makes me a little uncomfortable because I don't like Americans that always fucking talk about how American they are, but in this setting it's a good piece of info for the girl), ask them if they speak English, and when they say "no" I say "jyaa, nihongo do ganbarimasuwa" and they laugh on cue. Most of the time there's then a little chit chat as they ask me questions, if not then I mention that it's cold outside or something like that. At this point they either ask, or I initiate that I am hoping to go play at a hotel. Out of probably 20 girls, only two have told me that they don't do sex. Usually they ask me for a number. I always start with 15. Many times I could have started lower, but I can afford 15 and I like to think that I pay my hookers a living wage. About 75% of the time, 15 is OK and off we go. Interestingly enough, the very best times have all been with girls that only cost 15. I've negotiated up to as high as 20 (I don't mess around stair stepping, I make one counter, if she stays solid at 20 and she's seems fun I just pay it) but I never go over 20. I've had a couple girls in Shibuya ask for 30, they were really pretty, but also really Shibuya-girl-esque, which is not my type. I've only had 1 girl straight up tell me that she wouldn't fuck a foreigner. I don't mean if she meant all foreigners or just this foreigner right here, but that's alright, I didn't want to fuck that fake eyelash, long-legged, perfect-skinned, sexy bitch anyways. Only a couple of times have the girls ever mentioned a time limit, like one hour. I've agreed but both times we went way overtime and they didn't seem to be in a hurry or anything.

I have met some amazing girls. One of the first times I went I didn't think the girl was so cute as she was dressed sort of in baggie clothes and was looking down both while she was in the room and also while we were talking. But then in the sunlight I realized that she was a stunner. When she stood up straight those baggy clothes were obviously high-end. Her hair and make-up were perfect, not kyaba-kura perfect; but department store first-floor perfect and that's what she said she was. I'm pretty sure she was telling the truth because I've worked in the department store she said she did and she knew about a couple things that you only know if you've been to the back yard. Incredible body and really enthusiastic. I think it was fun because I was able to make her laugh. Hookers are just like normal girls, if you treat them nicely and make them laugh, you'll end up having more fun yourself.

The most fun I had with a girl was one that I pulled from the Mark City branch. The place was dead and I was leaving when the guy at the desk told me to wait because there was a new girl coming in and she was "really cute". There were two other guys there and since this was a new girl, the cafe dude asked us if we wanted to jan ken for her. So we all did and I came in last. I figured I was done for but I waited around anyway. The first guy went up and came back in five minutes, the second was gone for 10 minutes. And then amazingly enough I got a try. I walked in, made her laugh and said I wanted to go to a hotel. She was worried that I had a big 'ol gaijin cock and that it wouldn't fit but I assured her that I was tiny so it would be no problem. Later I asked why she turned down the first two guys and she said they just seemed "yada". She might have been lying, but I really do think it was her first time turning a trick. She was a really sweet thing from Sapporo with absolutely glorious knockers. I'm not in to big tits myself, but these were exceptional in size and buoyancy. She might have been faking it, but she was screaming like a banshee when I went down on her and my ears were burning from how she clamped down with her thighs. She really seemed to get into it and we spent a good 2 and a half hours just hanging out in the hotel. She actually forgot to charge me until I reminded her about the money.

The hottest girl I pulled out of there was this tiny little thing named Yurika. I didn't realize how cute she was because she was wearing a mask when I picked her number. She said she worked in a coffee shop and it was her day off. Not much more than 150 cm and barely 40 kilos dripping wet, she had a lot packed into that little frame. Her body was flawless. I offered to give her a massage, now I do like to give massages, but the reason why I offered was because I could not believe how perfect she was and I wanted to check her out more closely. So I fucking rubbed down every square inch of this girl and there was not a rough patch of skin, or scar, or anything out of place. I swear she glowed and her hair, super long and straight right down to the small of her back, was long a god-damned Pantene commercial. Abso-frickin'-lutely amazing. I try not to objectify or idolize women, but this chick was objectively an idol. And she was skilled! She had control over muscles that usually don't grip like that.

That massage technique has proven to be a winner. It really seems to relax the girls and since I started to do that, I've never felt like they are checking the clock. A couple of weeks ago I picked out one that looked a bit more professional than my standard profile. She turned out to be married with a part-time office job. She was really excited to meet a foreigner, she spoke a little English, I paid her 15 but I reckon she would have come for a lot less. We spent four hours in the hotel, took a bath together, had all kinds of sex. She told me she goes to deai cafe because she wants to fuck other guys, but doesn't want to cheat on her husband. So for her, if she takes a little money, it's not really cheating. Then I think I scored the holy grail of hookerdom. She gave me her contact info and suggested we get together again, just for fun. No money. So I think I converted a escort into a girlfriend, but that's not confirmed yet.

I knew my streak was too good to last and it sort of came crashing down yesterday. Shinjuku was filled with professional looking girls. One that wanted 30, and she weren't no 30 thousand yen escort. For me 30,000 yen hookers find you sitting drunk on a bar stool in Roppongi at 2AM and earn their money by getting your whiskey dick hard enough to start thinking 30 sounds like a better deal than continuing to buy these shots of watered down tequila. They aren't wearing yoga pants and no makeup at 2PM in kabukicho. There was one really young looking one that refused eye contact and wouldn't budge from 20. I had had my eye on this one with short hair and what looked like an innocent look but with her coat and mask, I couldn't really tell how hot she was. But after striking out when she was ready to go at my first offer I paid my 2100 yen and took her out. My first sign of worry was when we stepped outside and she swung her bag over her shoulder. That tube around her waist line that I thought was just frills from the sweater, was too solid looking to be window dressing. This chick straight up had a gut and some back fat, oh well, in for a penny, in for a few extra pounds. I took her to the hotel and when she stepped into the room in front of me, I now noticed that the backs of her legs were all scratched up and shit and that I could clearly see some sort of wound dressing peaking out of the bottom of her skirt. She hasn't been terribly talkative and seemed a little spacey, but the description of her living arrangement sounded a lot like rehab to me. Finally I said something funny enough to make her laugh out loud and holy shit those teeth! She had full-on meth mouth, black and jagged, not that cute little snaggletooth that the idol girls have, she was a few month away from dentures. There wasn't any situation I could think of where I would be comfortable sticking my beloved pecker in that danger hole. I pretended like I had to take a call, faked an emergency, and told her I had something come up. I apologized, paid her 5000 yen, and ran the fuck away. Bastards at the hotel made me pay even though we'd barely entered the room.

There were still a few girls in Shinjuku, but I didn't want to hurt the meth-head's feelings if she saw me in the area, so I headed to Shibuya. Both branches were pretty dead and I had two strike outs, but finally a cute girl walked in. She wasn't quite as cute as I normally like, I could tell she had a bit extra around her hips, but she wasn't fat or anything. And at this point I had been rejected more times in one day than I had since I started doing the deai cafe thing, and I was coming off the unfortunate incident respecting oral hygiene, so I was settling. She ended up being really nice, she was a little cold in the beginning but she had a sore back and once I had worked my massage magic on her she got really cuddly. A cuddly fucking maguro. Once the sexercizing got underway she just laid there in silence. She got really wet and would tremble if I touched or licked or just right, but there was no motion. Finally, when it came time to stick it in her, it wouldn't fit. She was doing those panting, hand-waving motions from the pain. I tried all kinds of positions, I spit on my dick, I spit on her cooter, I did everything I could, but it would not. go. in. I might be an asshole but I'm not a sadist, unfortunately. So when my dick is causing pain, it's a bit hard to keep it up. I kept asking her to rub it, and kind of hinting that she could maybe lick it or something. But true to fish-form, she could only sort of do a sad flipper job. So there I was, rubbing my own dick out when there is a perfectly good, paid for, escort laying right next to me staring at the ceiling. I just thought about Yurika until I was getting close and then I sort of fucked her upper thigh until I came. I pretending like fucking her thighs was like, the greatest sexual experience of my life so that she wouldn't have to feel awkward. I asked her what was up with the super tight box and she said that all the Japanese guys she'd been with were much, much smaller. I'm really only averageI reckon, I mean I wear local condoms, they are tight as hell but I rarely have a blow-out; but this has happened to me 3 or 4 times in this country. I think it's just the landscape. But I also think that if a girl's going to charging money, she ought to be able to handle a bit of a wider range of hardware. So she was a nice girl, but a real shitty escort. She was my worst experience, not counting the tooth girl.

When it comes to money, I always try and pay when we first enter the room. I figure it makes the girls more comfortable if they don't have to ask. Sometimes I give it to them, sometimes I just set it on the counter or something, whatever feels most natural. I also try and not be too cheap about the hotel. Sure there's hotels that are 2800 for the Rest, but the rooms are old and shitty and they reek of smoke. Usually if you walk a few more meters there's a much better one for 3500 or so. A few hundred yen extra is a good investment if it makes the girls more comfortable. I also usually stop in a convenience store and buy us some drinks and maybe some snacks. Treating your escort like a girlfriend is the best way to get them to act like a girlfriend, which, at the end of the day, is what I'm looking for.

That's all I've got for now.

What a read. I like it 10x, and my utmost respect for your attitude and great moments.
 
you'll no longer see the H word on TAG as of now. I don't like it either. :)

This presumably means that the software now automatically changes "h*****" to "escort". I agree with the sentiment but have seen attempts to ban certain words on other boards using the same mechanism end badly...hopefully it won't in this case.

-Ww
 
This presumably means that the software now automatically changes "h*****" to "escort". I agree with the sentiment but have seen attempts to ban certain words on other boards using the same mechanism end badly...hopefully it won't in this case.

-Ww

More or less; this is not a big deal to compromise on.
 
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Then I think I scored the holy grail of hookerdom.

Interesting history; but this part made me laugh a lot.:LOL:

After reading your post; I am consedering join a deai.

One doubt; when you join does cafes, you need to give your cell phone number right, do they call you just to check is your phone, after that do they call you to offer promotion, do they charge anything to your bill throw the phone number, I am little bit skeptical to give personal information.

When you mean "two shot", is just the meaning when you talk with the girl? Or literally mean you only have two shot to talk with the girls?
 
One doubt; when you join does cafes, you need to give your cell phone number right, do they call you just to check is your phone, after that do they call you to offer promotion, do they charge anything to your bill throw the phone number, I am little bit skeptical to give personal information.

When you mean "two shot", is just the meaning when you talk with the girl?

They just use it to call once to check if you are real. It was no hassle.

I think two shots refer to cumming twice with the girl.
 
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@Popen, more please! Very educating for me... what are the chances for somebody with close-to-zilch nihongo abilities in deai cafes? What do i need to learn to get up to entry level?
You have to speak some Japanese. Kirari is kind of easy and you just have to appear to understand them and basic level Japanese. There are multiple Kirari cafes, so if you fail at one, you can try at others.

Places like MoMo Cafe will strongly test if you can speak Japanese and refuse entry if you fail. They also have multiple cafes, so you can try elsewhere if you feel the issue was that particular staff at that cafe.

Once you have a membership card, you won't ever be bothered. So, if you can borrow the membership card of a friend, that might work.

However, many of the women in the cafes have very poor English ability, and the staff will usually only converse with you in Japanese. The more Japanese you can speak, the better off you will be.
 
When you mean "two shot", is just the meaning when you talk with the girl?


I think two shots refer to cumming twice with the girl.

Two shot = ツーショット

It means "the two of you talking alone" time. It originated in an old TV show from the early '90s called Neruton, which was a couple matching show. Two Shot literally meant a scene shot with just two of them, and usually it was when they were getting to know each other/express attraction, and from there made its way into general slang.

Akanksha has the right idea.
 
Akanksha has the right idea.

Yes, sorry for the misinformation. I was getting two shots confused with the multiple pops conversation :confused:

Anyway, to confuse things further

How many two shots can you do? If you have one two shot and ask for multiple pops and she says no, so you say no too. If you change your mind, can you have another two shot?

Can you have a third two shot too?
 
Not sure, think it depends on the woman. She receives your card too and it may be up to her to accept or decline a second one. Maybe @User#8628 can shed some light on the shop rules in that regard.
Yes you can ask for her again and they call her. When this happened to me the staff usually said clearly something like "the same guy as before wants to talk to you again, is it ok?" so if she doesn't want she can probably refuse to come.
In kirari we get a piece of paper with some information about the guy but it is folded and sometimes i don't look at it before i'm already in the booth.
 
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You have to speak some Japanese. Kirari is kind of easy and you just have to appear to understand them and basic level Japanese. There are multiple Kirari cafes, so if you fail at one, you can try at others.

Places like MoMo Cafe will strongly test if you can speak Japanese and refuse entry if you fail. They also have multiple cafes, so you can try elsewhere if you feel the issue was that particular staff at that cafe.

Once you have a membership card, you won't ever be bothered. So, if you can borrow the membership card of a friend, that might work.

However, many of the women in the cafes have very poor English ability, and the staff will usually only converse with you in Japanese. The more Japanese you can speak, the better off you will be.

What would the typical questions be?
 
It's funny because when i first tried the cafes my Japanese was not good (it's mainly my shyness to speak it if i'm not sure my sentences are correct that hold me back, not my knowledge) kirari told me off but momo let me in and the staff were very helpful and used a lot of English.
Funny this is the other way around for men.
Kirari does have big sheets for the girls to fill in with their address and stuff though while momo only asks for a copy of your id and your phonenumber.
 
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What would the typical questions be?
There are no standardized questions that I know of, rather they will try to have a conversation with you. What and how they might ask you something is unpredictable.
I would suggest using Nihongomori

えくぼ日本語基礎「Ekubo Basic Japanese lessons」:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLINFE8v4DOhu_3LutLwJWetAhdcCrBF4X

Google Translate and Aedict for Androids (has phrasebook (Google Translate) and notepad feature (Aedict) to save words and sentences) are 2 other helpful programs.
 
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It's funny because when i first tried the cafes my Japanese was not good (it's mainly my shyness to speak it if i'm not sure my sentences are correct that hold me back, not my knowledge) kirari told me off but momo let me in and the staff were very helpful and used a lot of English.
Funny this is the other way around for men.
Kirari does have big sheets for the girls to fill in with their address and stuff though while momo only asks for a copy of your id and your phonenumber.

I guess from an economic point of view it's a smart thing to let in this exotic hot young thing, even if she is a little shy and has limited Japanese. Chances are tiny that you negatively impact the customer inflow.
Some gaijin on the customer side who doesn't understand or doesn't abide the rules could easily have negative impact on both your customers and the ladies you employ.
Makes it somewhat surprising that you weren't accepted by kirari.
 
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Random Question: what is the appeal of these from the provider side?

If you are good in looks/personality you are going to be fully booked at sexy kyaba can choose your customers and if a repulsive one comes tell him no kissing.
The girl I designate at sexy kyabas always fully booked only works 13 hours and is bringing in at least Y100,000 a week from doing that.
I`m wondering if there is really something that would match her quality at Deai cafe`s
 
Random Question: what is the appeal of these from the provider side?

If you are good in looks/personality you are going to be fully booked at sexy kyaba can choose your customers and if a repulsive one comes tell him no kissing.
The girl I designate at sexy kyabas always fully booked only works 13 hours and is bringing in at least Y100,000 a week from doing that.
I`m wondering if there is really something that would match her quality at Deai cafe`s
10万 in a week?
The most pretty girls in deai cafe could make that in one busy day!
 
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10万 in a week?
The most pretty girls in deai cafe could make that in one busy day!

That's obviously the difference between doing it full time and doing it on top for some extra money. And obviously she doesn't have sex either. So while I think that she has quite nice income for what she does, it's obviously not comparable.
Unlike deai girls (my guess) she probably also pays tax on all she gets.
 
That's obviously the difference between doing it full time and doing it on top for some extra money. And obviously she doesn't have sex either. So while I think that she has quite nice income for what she does, it's obviously not comparable.
Unlike deai girls (my guess) she probably also pays tax on all she gets.
As for doing both "part time" sexy kyaba might pay more but it's kind of an official job while in a deai cafe you can just walk in as it pleases you. Which is good for a lot of students ans office ladies.
 
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10万 in a week?
The most pretty girls in deai cafe could make that in one busy day!

10万 working 4 hours a day for 3 days though.... with no touching of the lower body and possibly more if you can get people to buy you drinks.
 
10万 working 4 hours a day for 3 days though.... with no touching of the lower body and possibly more if you can get people to buy you drinks.
Depends on what the girl like. I personally enjoy my lower body getting touched much more than my nipples.

All the types of shops attract different girls with different preferances.
 
They just use it to call once to check if you are real. It was no hassle.

Can temp visitors of Japan join without a phone number? I have a data sim without voice feature, it did give me a number. I don't think it works though.
 
One doubt; when you join does cafes, you need to give your cell phone number right, do they call you just to check is your phone, after that do they call you to offer promotion, do they charge anything to your bill throw the phone number, I am little bit skeptical to give personal information.

If your phone number is not listed anywhere publicly what would be the information they get out of it? It might be that I just don't know but I don't think there is any reverse phone number directories in Japan.

As my main number would be easily googled I have another phone dedicated to the hobby. As long as I don't do anything that would get the cops involved I am pretty sure my personal information is not leaking to anyone.
 
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