Deai Kirari Shibuya Gyaku

[bitcomet]

Service and/or Provider's Name:
Kirari Shibuya (gyaku)

Date of Encounter:
5/22 2016

Contact Method:
Walk-in

Appointment Length & Costs:
1 hr ¥20,000 plus ¥7800 LH

Type/Location:
Shibuya deai club

Language Notes:
100% Japanese

Details of the Encounter:
After reading the deai thread, I decided to give it a shot. Went to the Shibuya location near the station and signed up. I used the data Sim number, they didn't call me to confirm. Tencho was nice to explain the rules to me in Japanese. Didn't have an issue with my gaijin name.

There were a few girls but none peeked my interest. I waited around 45 min, some other girls came in but still not my type. 1 high maintenance looking type came in, 4 guys talked to her but nothing happened. I decided to to go the gyaku (reverse) location. Tencho claimed there were lots of girls.

Right after I sat down, I was picked. She was cute, 20 years old, nice big boobs, wanted to asobu at the hotel. She wanted 20k, I countered 15k but was rejected. Being 20k is the "upper limit" I had, I went with it. She lead the way to a LH. As son as we walked in, she asked for money. Citing we might forget, it gave me the impression she's a pro which I later confirmed. She suggested we shower together, so we can't steal each other's money. 2nd clue that she's a pro.

Bed play she went to work on me. I get nervous at new encounters so I had some trouble finishing. So she finished me off by mouth, but not inside though. During our chat, I suggested 2 hrs, but she seems to want to leave right after. She was rushing a bit as well during play, which turned me off. 3rd clue she's a pro. I got her to spoon a little before leaving though. She also didn't like to kiss, but enjoyed me daty. Claimed this is her 2nd time. Which I did not believe.

Final Thoughts:
Recommended, Will Repeat.

Closing Comments:
Given this is my first time, it wasn't a bad experience. I need to figure out how to tell the pros from the amateurs before accepting. I'll probably have a better time with an amateur.

 

[User#8628]

Sorry but whats bad about the shower together for safety and wanting the money upfront (although you shouldn't give it outside of the hotel room!)?
You say they didn't even check your phone number and it was untracable (?)
This sounds so unsafe...
You might want an amature because you'll "have a better time" (which is not said at all, many amatures have bad techinque), but another guy might want an amature so he can steal her money and use an untraceable phone number so he can get away with crimes.

Did you have to show id?

 

[bitcomet]

I did not have to show id. My reason for a preference towards amateurs is not to steal money or commit crime against her. I simply did not enjoy the clock watching rushed feel. I understand that is completely different for different entertainers/providers. From what I've read, you're an excellent provider. For me, I wanted more gfe which I feel (may or may not be true) are easier to be had with a nonpro.

 

[User#8628]

I did not have to show id. My reason for a preference towards amateurs is not to steal money or commit crime against her. I simply did not enjoy the clock watching rushed feel. I understand that is completely different for different entertainers/providers. From what I've read, you're an excellent provider. For me, I wanted more gfe which I feel (may or may not be true) are easier to be had with a nonpro.

Nothing personal against you.
Its just that i'm concerned about their protection of girls, which seems nonexistant... I have used them in the past but i'm considering not going anymore...
Also it depends, the amatures there can be pretty strict in not kissing and not doing uncovered blowjobs. Time wise they might be a bit looser than "professionals", which is a weird word since everyone in the cafe would techiqally be an amature, and there is a lot of middle ground. Like how would you call a girl who goes every day after her "real job" and has been doing it for long term but only goes out with like 1 guy a day?

 

[bitcomet]

I'm guessing it depends on the guy who works there. Some are strict, some aren't.

The word "pro" was probably thrown around too much, so the meaning is not black and white any more. At least not to me.

 

[MikeH]

Like how would you call a girl who goes every day after her "real job" and has been doing it for long term but only goes out with like 1 guy a day?

I would call her... in advance to make a reservation.

In strict sense professional is someone who is doing it as his/her main paid occupation. Now it seems that the girl in question was not interested in the gentle act of love. Instead she was just after the money. In my experience that doesn't have much correlation to her being a professional or an amateur.

 

[Kegger]

@bitcomet Thanks for the review.

Were there a lot of dudes in the reverse gyaku place?
While I've never been, it seems you need to lock in the time and number of pops before leaving the shop. Correct me if I'm wrong

 

[bitcomet]

There were 3 other guys, this was around 4 to 5 pm I think. According to her, none of them wanted to do hotel and she was the only girl there. So either the other shop who claimed there are lots of girls here lied, or they had just left. I tried to lock in a time, which I thought I did. But she didn't really follow up on it. Her clock watching was a turn off, so I didn't push the subject.

 

[User#16452]

Erm, I feel like I am missing something here.

You paid a woman to have sex with you, ok. But it sounds like you are also complaining that she only had sex with you for the money? What?

I'm sorry, but what did you expect?

 

[bitcomet]

So you're saying all providers are the same? Given the same rate for different providers, they will all be the same? As long as you pop, nothing else matters? If so, what is the purpose of this forum? There are different levels of engagements, I don't think that's hard to understand. She can do it for the money, not debating that, but she doesn't have to show me that.

 

[Anna Summer]

Not all providers are the same but given that you didn't book an high class escort for example and just a girl who does this to stock up her pocket money you can't expect a honey moon adventure...

 

[bitcomet]

I can't argue against the high class part. But there are gems to be had for the same price. You can also pay a high class price for crappy service as well. That's why they are documented here. I don't know why that's not getting through.

 

[User#16452]

@bitcomet You went to a 出会い café, an "encounter" café. You agreed to pay her X amount for sex. If you want a GFE you either need to state this beforehand in the café or book an escort who specalises in this.

Leaving as soon as the guy cums is generally understood to be the system at deai cafés.

 

[bitcomet]

I also asked for 2 hours, that was not fulfilled. Not everything need to be stated everytime. If I'm going to be specific to the details I want, I'll be there all day negotiating.

I documented my "encounter", I stated my dislikes and likes, ie, a review. Did I do something wrong?

 

[User#16452]

@bitcomet GFE is just not usually expected from a deai café date, she probably thought that you didn't need her there anymore.

Honestly, it sounds like you are expecting much more from a deai café experience than is usual. Keep in mind that the rates at the café are a certain way for a reason. If you want more than this, you either need to negotiate well, or be prepared to look to another service.

 

[Anna Summer]

As far as I know and from what @User#8628 explains that deai cafes are considered with one pop or one hour time frame. you could have asked her for extension with a tip or so.

 

[bitcomet]

I will certainly throw in more details next time, thanks for that suggestion. Since this was my first experience, I didn't give it a thumbs down hence the Final Thoughts:
Recommended, Will Repeat.

There were threads of other deai experiences documented that the girl was not watching the time(2 hours or more, even 5 hours) and multiple pops were had. I documented mine as 1 pop and less than the time I asked for. Hence my initial "pro vs amateur" statement in the review. It's totally random, I understand that, but someone who just wants to make money vs someone who wants sex while making money will cost me the same and give me completely different experiences. (or some were in between) So again, I documented my experience, for this one, it's the former, and I stated my likes and dislikes.

 

[User#16452]

someone who wants sex while making money

I don't think this the primary motivation for most women to visit deai cafés. Most men who frequent these places are not concerned for the woman's pleasure.

I think you might benefit more from a sugar relationship or having regular date with a specific escort.

 

[bitcomet]

Sugar relationship and regular dates are not possible for my situation. So I'm making the best of what I can do, and documenting them for other's benefit.

 

[User#16452]

Sugar relationship and regular dates are not possible for my situation.

Ok, fair enough, but if you cannot offer sugar dating or regular escort dates level compensation, both finacially or time or attention-wise, you cannot expect that level of service. What you got was a pretty standard date, yet you seem to have expected much more.

I'm making the best of what I can do, and documenting them for other's benefit.

Huh? You have mentioned this a few times but I don't believe that anyone has complained about you posting a review, just merely tried to explain why you might have felt disappointed with the experience.

 

[Vulkan]

@bitcomet You went to a 出会い café, an "encounter" café. You agreed to pay her X amount for sex. If you want a GFE you either need to state this beforehand in the café or book an escort who specalises in this.

Leaving as soon as the guy cums is generally understood to be the system at deai cafés.

while this is true with escorts who come to deai cafes to make money outside of their main fuzoku establishment this is not always the case. Amateurish women that dont do deai too often or with whom you have good chemistry, are usually very pleasant and provide usually naturally a Gfe. They are most of the time better than pros or "high-end" escorts, at least in my opinion.

While she fulfilled her agreement with @bitcomet and thus doesn't owe him anything (contractually speaking) he still has the right to be disappointed as he could have gotten luckier than that with someone else later on that day.
The key to successful deai cafe is too filter pros in my opinion

 

[User#16452]

while this is true with escorts who come to deai cafes to make money outside of their main fuzoku establishment this is not always the case. Amateurish women that dont do deai too often or with whom you have good chemistry, are usually very pleasant and provide usually naturally a Gfe. They are most of the time better than pros or "high-end" escorts, at least in my opinion...The key to successful deai cafe is too filter pros in my opinion

Having never been on the receiving end of a deai café date, this is not something I can comment on.

I do agree that someone that you have good chemistry with will always provide a better experience, but I am not sure why this might be limited to"amateurs".

While she fulfilled her agreement with @bitcomet and thus doesn't owe him anything (contractually speaking) he still has the right to be disappointed as he could have gotten luckier than that with someone else later on that day.

I never said he didn't, I just tried to explain why he might feel that way and why he is likely to be disappointed again, in my opinion.

 

[User#8628]

while this is true with escorts who come to deai cafes to make money outside of their main fuzoku establishment this is not always the case. Amateurish women that dont do deai too often or with whom you have good chemistry, are usually very pleasant and provide usually naturally a Gfe. They are most of the time better than pros or "high-end" escorts, at least in my opinion.

While she fulfilled her agreement with @bitcomet and thus doesn't owe him anything (contractually speaking) he still has the right to be disappointed as he could have gotten luckier than that with someone else later on that day.
The key to successful deai cafe is too filter pros in my opinion

I could be considered a pro when i go cafe and i definitely dont spend hours and hours with the guys, but they are raging entausiastic about me.
Being a good sport and no prude, and not desperately pushing to be faster but not sticking around too long when there is nothing to be done anymore are key.

I'm thinking to quit going cafe, because there are not as many decent guys as before, but i use it mainly as a hangout with free drinks and snacks in my free time now and if i get a good offer i go.

Also cafe is great Japanese practice, i have improved so much since i started going there.

 

[User#8628]

I will certainly throw in more details next time, thanks for that suggestion. Since this was my first experience, I didn't give it a thumbs down hence the Final Thoughts:
Recommended, Will Repeat.

There were threads of other deai experiences documented that the girl was not watching the time(2 hours or more, even 5 hours) and multiple pops were had. I documented mine as 1 pop and less than the time I asked for. Hence my initial "pro vs amateur" statement in the review. It's totally random, I understand that, but someone who just wants to make money vs someone who wants sex while making money will cost me the same and give me completely different experiences. (or some were in between) So again, I documented my experience, for this one, it's the former, and I stated my likes and dislikes.

I agree with you that you have all right to review it with your likes and dislikes and i didn't mean to jump on you personally and say you are not allowed to be disappointed about a few things.

However, as a review this is not gonna help much because other guys wont meet the same girl or wont recognize her. Also as an "how to recognize a pro" review it feels off because you mention safety measurements and even showering together (showering together is considered a GFE for cafe standards).

If you want to have control over the situation and choose a girl that seems no a "pro" i'd advice to not use the reverse nampa ones or to pay more attention in the talk room and reject girls that dont sound 100%.

I understand that maybe with the "reverse nampa" thing there are more girls that do it for fun because that way they can choose a guy who is their type. But in the other cafes you can observe the girls and how they act first, see how many girls are in the room and things like that. Plus you can choose someone who looks like your type, or try bargaining for a less pretty girl because they may do extra time or less money.
Not to talk bad about the girl you met but she could have lied about being the only girl there. If i were a guy i would like to have the situation in my own hand and pick a girl myself.

 

[Kegger]

I actually found this review very helpful about the Kirari Gyaku system.
@bitcomet recognizes that he should have laid the terms of the date out in more detail, and that's what he wrote.
Unless you are used to the system (and I've never been but had the same problem on Deai sites) you can feel like a bit of a creep by being insistent on what you want.