How Do You Feel About Plastic Surgery?

[Jennifer Maddingly]

Some things manufactured however, especially ones you want to use rather than just look at, are much, much more beautiful than hand made. And those things are always trying to improve because they want their use to be timeless, forever evolving with the needs of their user.

Personally. I want to use my body for more than just what regular people can achieve. I like to push the limits of my body and give my best until I acheive my goals which are always changing as I grow and learn new things.

If I want a photograph of myself; I want a candid, natural shot. Natural lighting and a natural pose. Because this photograph will have little else to do but be seen from one vantage point for all time.

But as for my body, I want a well oiled machine, capable of great things while looking gorgeous and stylish and up to date while being able to provide luxury to all those who 'enter' it as it were. All the while being able to withstand constant use without too much wear and tear.

Whether you use surgery to stop the clock, enhance something, reduce something or fix something broken, everything comes down the the user of that bodies choice.

As the user of my body, I want my personal model to have big boobs, a bangin booty, great forever young flawless skin and a memorizing face that can stop men in their tracks.

But if you want to drive some old, cracked rice bowl. You're welcome to choose whatever makes you happy. ^^

Pics related. Manufactured vs handmade items you actually want to use rather than look at.

 

[Jennifer Maddingly]

Jennifer Maddingly said: ↑
The most expensive things aren't imperfectly hand made vases. They are perfectly hand made vases



Agreed and most expensive does not equal most beautiful. Once again, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

In my opinion, craft-made beats manufactured when it comes to the Arts. The beauty lies in the individuality of the piece.

Might just apply to humans...

The human body is only art -- in motion, during performances. The rest of the time it's a machine with problems, breakages, leaks and can be damaged and repaired, changed and upgraded. Care and maintenance of this machine isn't cheap either. It will be the most expensive thing you ever own! Regardless of who you are, if you want your machine to run well, be willing to spend a pretty penny.

If you really think the body is only looks I dare not you -- but everyone with this opinion to do nothing except stare in a mirror for an entire day.

By the time you need to take your morning bathroom break you will know. The body is much more than art. And while calling it art may be poetic. The body is much much MORE than art could ever be.

 

[Sudsy]

Mmm i don't see it.
Looks like a simple rice bowl that only has value because it's historical and belongs in a museum.

It's actually an exquisite piece by Japanese standards. It's a perfect example of a flawed sum making a greater whole.

Still, it's all subjective - as is so commonly said around here, We All Like Different Things.

 

[roots reggae]

The human body is only art -- in motion, during performances. The rest of the time it's a machine with problems, breakages, leaks and can be damaged and repaired, changed and upgraded. Care and maintenance of this machine isn't cheap either. It will be the most expensive thing you ever own! Regardless of who you are, if you want your machine to run well, be willing to spend a pretty penny.

If you really think the body is only looks I dare not you -- but everyone with this opinion to do nothing except stare in a mirror for an entire day.

By the time you need to take your morning bathroom break you will know. The body is much more than art. And while calling it art may be poetic. The body is much much MORE than art could ever be.

OK, I'd better be prepared for an onslaught of disagreement but here goes anyway. I am a bit surprised that nobody has mentioned the possible health risks of the "Care and maintenance of this machine."

Breast Implants:

Risks of Breast Implants
http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/P...tsandProsthetics/BreastImplants/ucm064106.htm

25 Reasons Not to Get Breast Implants
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nalini-chilkov/breast-implant-surgery-_b_816077.html

Breast Implants: The Ticking Time Bomb In Millions Of Women’s Bodies
http://www.collective-evolution.com...cking-time-bomb-in-millions-of-womens-bodies/

Butt Injections

Butt Injections and Why They Are All Dangerous
http://www.siliconebody.com/shapewe...tt-injections-and-why-they-are-all-dangerous/

Soft Tissue Fillers (Dermal Fillers) Scroll down to Unapproved Uses
http://www.fda.gov/medicaldevices/p...es/cosmeticdevices/wrinklefillers/default.htm

Tatoos

Think Before You Ink: Are Tattoos Safe?
http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm048919.htm

 

[User#8628]

OK, I'd better be prepared for an onslaught of disagreement but here goes anyway. I am a bit surprised that nobody has mentioned the possible health risks of the "Care and maintenance of this machine."

Breast Implants:

Risks of Breast Implants
http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/P...tsandProsthetics/BreastImplants/ucm064106.htm

25 Reasons Not to Get Breast Implants
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nalini-chilkov/breast-implant-surgery-_b_816077.html

Breast Implants: The Ticking Time Bomb In Millions Of Women’s Bodies
http://www.collective-evolution.com...cking-time-bomb-in-millions-of-womens-bodies/

Butt Injections

Butt Injections and Why They Are All Dangerous
http://www.siliconebody.com/shapewe...tt-injections-and-why-they-are-all-dangerous/

Soft Tissue Fillers (Dermal Fillers) Scroll down to Unapproved Uses
http://www.fda.gov/medicaldevices/p...es/cosmeticdevices/wrinklefillers/default.htm

Tatoos

Think Before You Ink: Are Tattoos Safe?
http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm048919.htm

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Typical fear mongering just like the talk about std.
If you have a skilled doctor, nothings should go wrong.


Then again, you are a fan of the guy who didn't want to get his toe removed after getting toe cancer because that would mean he couldn't play soccer anymore.

 

[roots reggae]

Typical fear mongering just like the talk about std.
If you have a skilled doctor, nothings should go wrong.


Then again, you are a fan of the guy who didn't want to get his toe removed after getting toe cancer because that would mean he couldn't play soccer anymore.

Ouch, to the Bob Marley allusion-what a tragedy.

Ms. Alice, please do not take any offense over the posts-none was meant.

However, please note that three of the sites are from the U. S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and hardly fear mongering. While I am a skeptic when it comes to U.S. government agencies, the research they cite is sound.

This is obviously a sensitive topic for you and I am truly sorry if my post caused you any grief.

 

[Jennifer Maddingly]

Ouch, to the Bob Marley allusion-what a tragedy.

Ms. Alice, please do not take any offense over the posts-none was meant.

However, please note that three of the sites are from the U. S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and hardly fear mongering. While I am a skeptic when it comes to U.S. government agencies, the research they cite is sound.

This is obviously a sensitive topic for you and I am truly sorry if my post caused you any grief.

FDA approves Monsanto farmed foods too so we should totally just listen to them blindly.

Either way, skilled doctors mean for the most part succesful surgeries.

 

[User#8628]

Ouch, to the Bob Marley allusion-what a tragedy.

Ms. Alice, please do not take any offense over the posts-none was meant.

However, please note that three of the sites are from the U. S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and hardly fear mongering. While I am a skeptic when it comes to U.S. government agencies, the research they cite is sound.

This is obviously a sensitive topic for you and I am truly sorry if my post caused you any grief.

Truely sorry about Bob. Shouldn't have gone so early.

As for surgery;
If you let a machine get repared by an unlicenced shady garage then trouble can occure.
Get a true professional and they can inprove.

I trust a really licenced, expensive doctor with my life, literally.
But too many people are desperate, ill informed (because people who are against surgery keep it taboo) and poor so they go to clinics that aren't that good and then things can go wrong.

 

[Jennifer Maddingly]

This entire thread has really just made me feel like people who have lumps and bumps are more favored than the perfection I strive so hard for, thus I am bowing out of this thread.

As an escort I want to offer more than the average woman. I want to offer my clientele perfection and service gaurenteed.

I got implants for me. I love them. I know my back hurts sometimes but it's an excuse to get more massages. When I have skin removed. That will be for me. When I have fillers and botox to be forever young I will do that for me too.

They say that people who have plastic surgery are susceptible to depression. It's simply because of people gathering together to tell them "the way you want your body to look isn't the way we want your body to look" which honestly kinda sucks.

I'm happy with my body and its additions. Tattoos, implants and all! I'm sexy and confident and strong. I'd rather be a Maserati than a cracked dirty old rice bowl any day!

I say -- do what makes you happy, stay informed and stay out of other people's business!

Peace ✌️

 

[Anna Summer]

This entire thread has really just made me feel like people who have lumps and bumps are more favored than the perfection I strive so hard for, thus I am bowing out of this thread.

As an escort I want to offer more than the average woman. I want to offer my clientele perfection and service gaurenteed.

I got implants for me. I love them. I know my back hurts sometimes but it's an excuse to get more massages. When I have skin removed. That will be for me. When I have fillers and botox to be forever young I will do that for me too.

They say that people who have plastic surgery are susceptible to depression. It's simply because of people gathering together to tell them "the way you want your body to look isn't the way we want your body to look" which honestly kinda sucks.

I'm happy with my body and its additions. Tattoos, implants and all! I'm sexy and confident and strong. I'd rather be a Maserati than a cracked dirty old rice bowl any day!

I say -- do what makes you happy, stay informed and stay out of other people's business!

Peace ✌️

So that means everybody with flaws and imperfections is an old, cracked and dirty rice bowl?
Wow just wow.... I agree that everybody should do with their body what they want and feel comfortable with but that statment is really intimidating on so many occasions.

 

[numref1234]

This entire thread has really just made me feel like people who have lumps and bumps are more favored than the perfection I strive so hard for, thus I am bowing out of this thread.

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I say -- do what makes you happy, stay informed and stay out of other people's business!

A lot of people I know conflate two separate issues: plastic surgery itself and the culture surrounding plastic surgery. I have no issues with plastic surgery, but I do have issues with the culture surrounding plastic surgery. For example, in Korea, many women are ridiculed for being "fat" (which might be skinny by Western standards) or not having double-eyelids... by their families! A lot of women are pressured into plastic surgery as a result. Beauty standards in Korea are also very singular, so you have the "Gangnam unnie" look which a lot of women end up getting.

I think beauty is subjective. Some people prefer big boobs and others like flat chests. Some people prefer lighter skin and others like a nice tan. If you're getting plastic surgery to achieve your goals, I don't see anything wrong with that. However, I don't think anyone should get plastic surgery because society/family/friends/etc imposes a standard of beauty that they don't like. It seems like you're in the former camp, so more power to you.

 

[DocMcStuffins]

I don't want to judge - people can do what they want with their own bodies. All surgery has risks. My father's life was cut short by a botched surgery.
His surgeon was highly rated.

 

[roots reggae]

I don't want to judge - people can do what they want with their own bodies. All surgery has risks. My father's life was cut short by a botched surgery.
His surgeon was highly rated.

A sincere regret for your loss and the circumstances.

I know, too, the pain of loss when a loved one is taken too soon. My father died when a woman had a diabetic seizure, her car crossed the median and collided head on. Both lost their lives. A tragedy for all.

Jennifer:

I, too, am bowing out of this thread. The topic has become too contentious and divisive. To each her/his own.

 

[DJV]

About RootsReggae's post with FDA / "Surgeon General warnings", these statements are based on sums of good and bad practices, and can fluctuate with time and knowledge..
Take drinking wine for example : at some point it was considered bad for your health...and now it's good. (how could they've got it wrong in the first place ? ).

Talking about health, working on your body can in many (most ?) cases improve your psychological balance, which is such an essential part of your health.

 

[Anna Summer]

I think beauty is subjective. Some people prefer big boobs and others like flat chests. Some people prefer lighter skin and others like a nice tan. If you're getting plastic surgery to achieve your goals, I don't see anything wrong with that. However, I don't think anyone should get plastic surgery because society/family/friends/etc imposes a standard of beauty that they don't like. It seems like you're in the former camp, so more power to you.

I very much agree with this that nobody should feel like they should get something changed just because it is expected from family and/or society.

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What bothers me the most is Jennifers statement that she doesn't care what other people do, it's not her business but calls those people with imperfections, flaws etc old rice bowls because they don't want to change a thing and most likely being happy about themselves. It's very contradicted in my opinion.

 

[User#8628]

What bothers me is that there is clearly a taboo and although you guys think it's "ok" to do sugery it's viewed as less beautiful and "we're not sorry for you if something goes wrong".
Why not? Someone puts their faith in a medical professional, why can't you feel compassion if it doesn't turn out as you hoped.

The joke is that many surgery isn't recognizable. I read this article about this guy who disliked silicone boobs but his girlfriend actually had done boob implants. They are not always giant and hard and easy to recognize. I only had pretty minor things done on my face and it's hard to tell what without before and after pictures. Even with pictures you cant point it out directly but its definitely different.
Also surgery is no magic. I did one thing that barely changed anything so i feel ripped off. But about most of it i'm pleased and i feel like overall my look has improved.
The thing is, dear men, you can say "i like girls without surgery" but you would probably still pick a girl who had surgery over one who didn't. The same as guys who say "i like girls with light to no makeup" who then point to Kim Kardashian as an example.

It's a very nasty and unfair thing in society that people are supposed to do well but that visible effort to do well is judged harshly.
You are supposed to get A grades but if you have you hand up and you participate in class and you study in the bus to home you're a nerd. So people stay up whole night studying with energy drink, show up the next day and claim they didn't study much, then get an A. "Natural beauty" is praised so much. Why? People didn't work for it. Its not a personal achievement.
The way i see it, surgery costs a lot of money and bravery, probably some pain... So the people who do it should get status like you get if you buy brands that cost a lot of money. Instead they have to hide it and claim they naturally look like this.
Surgery is a taboo and comes with a lot of judgement like "you don't love yourself" "you were ugly before". I was never more ugly than anyone who doesn't do surgery. Its simply a drift to improve.
I might even miss out on clients for saying all this because my selling point is natural beauty. But nothing i did is obvious. And i actually barely wear any makeup. Why? Because after my treatments my face barely needs any.

I really hate the taboo on this and the preferance for natural.
That's exactly what is holding back advance and further development.
Same as with sex, if people were just more open minded about it and didn't view it as obscure and scary, everything would be better.

 

[DJV]

It's a complex subject . Even the simple fact to express his own views about it :
I confess that I spent like 1 hour writing my other post above (yes, the one that is a few lines long) : most of what I wrote just felt off, or oversimplified, or just another virgin's comment.

I even tried to make a parallel with my practice of some physical activities of mine, but it was not working as a parallel at all (or serving some aspects while disserving others, or sounding too personal).

About the rice bowl : it just doesnt add up to praise the (supposedly natural) beauty of an object that the guy took hours making and years practicing his skills. This item is no less crafted than a BMW i8, and both required the right toolset and techniques.
About natural beauty, if you think of all physical laws, gold ratios, balances of all kinds and randmoness that are in play, then you can't say it's simple.

I know a very talented plastic surgeon, I was always impressed by his really unique skillset and expertise in human nature (with a solid sense of humour and down-to-earth attitude).
I'll talk to him soon, with all the extra insight thanks to this thread and those who posted.

Kudos to anyone who takes this road seriously and make it into their lives.

 

[User#8628]

I very much agree with this that nobody should feel like they should get something changed just because it is expected from family and/or society.

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What bothers me the most is Jennifers statement that she doesn't care what other people do, it's not her business but calls those people with imperfections, flaws etc old rice bowls because they don't want to change a thing and most likely being happy about themselves. It's very contradicted in my opinion.

She was not the one making that comparation first, and also she said she doesn't care what other people do with their body but that doesn't mean she has to think it's beautiful.

I certainly don't find all natural people beautiful, and not all surgery results look good to me either. It's totally up to them of course and i wont tell them off but i don't have to like the way they look.
What bothers me though is people who start making negative comments as soon as they realize something is surgery, while they wouldn't have noticed as long as those people keep their mouth shut and insist they are born with it. (Not in comment to you, i haven't heard you saying anything like that. General statement.)

I have never heard of anyone being pressured by their family to do body modivication, except in the cases where family chooses to get modivications done to their babies.
My family is not quite pro surgery, and it annoys me that i can not speak out as freely as i want about it without getting in argument with my family.
Society surely pressures a beauty ideal but generally pressures against modivications. For example, tattoo'ed people are limited in what they can do in Japan and also have limited job choices in many other countries if their tattoos are hard to cover.

It bothers me that people are always quick to speak out for others their right to say no to things like surgery and sex but don't defend people's choices to say yes much.
We get heavily shamed for saying yes to the things we like and then everyone is quiet.

It's just a big joke how there is a beauty ideal and people get shamed for not fitting it but also get shamed for taking noticable steps to reach it.

 

[Jennifer Maddingly]

I very much agree with this that nobody should feel like they should get something changed just because it is expected from family and/or society.

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What bothers me the most is Jennifers statement that she doesn't care what other people do, it's not her business but calls those people with imperfections, flaws etc old rice bowls because they don't want to change a thing and most likely being happy about themselves. It's very contradicted in my opinion.

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Sometimes the beauty is in the imperfection

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[Anna Summer]

Well I don't really understand why you two get so offended because guys here saying that they prefer natural over surgery. Even if the surgery is minor and most likely not visible. Everybody has their own preferences. It doesn't make one part more beautiful or ugly because they choose what works best for them. There are many guys out there who specifically look for porn star looking girls with breast augmentation and then there are others who prefer small, natural etc.
both ways are legit and there is no right or wrong.