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Is P4p A Part Of Pua/gaming?

Soapysoap66 said:
Yes I'm sorry it was a bit unfair to unload here but it was a reply to the "endless cycle" you mentioned in the top post.
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Oh, I see..that makes sense now. Thanks for explaining.

But at what point does the dead horse stop getting beat though? You can't justify destroying a thread just because you got likes and cheers from your friends.
Getting likes and cheers is not the point of a forum.
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What is "the point of a forum" and who decides what it is? To me this looks like just another way of saying that you feel that what you value on a forum (on TAG in this case) should determine what others value. WALDT. Seriously.

Tbh, I am not sure why I enjoy these little exchanges, but I do. It is not the likes and cheers though. At times it feels a bit like a debate club or maybe like verbal ping pong; it is not so much about the issue as about the fun of making and defending one's opinions and points of view. It can be almost like a game or sport. And like other games and sports, spectators who don't enjoy the show needn't watch it.

Fwiiw, there are lots and lots of repetitive and endless debates on many, probably most, boards. There are are boards with whole forums devoted to political discussions...talk about crazy intense and heated debates that never go anywhere! The PUA thing on TAG isn't even competitive by comparison. And there are always those who, like you, try to put an end to such "disruptive" discussions, but it doesn't happen. I have NEVER known it to happen...except when the board operator(s) enforce some rule against it.

You are obviously inclined towards intelligent debate but like you said, that's not going to happen in this topic, so I see no point in continuing to wallow in misery.
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Sometimes I do feel like I'm having a battle of wits with an unarmed man! :D

But I don't really agree entirely. I have learned things about PUA and seen some new perspectives on it in the course of these many discussions, and I believe that some of the thoughtful and rational PUA-advocates have sharpened their own views and learned a bit about p4p too. So, while "intelligent debate" is not a strong point in these threads, it is also not totally absent imo.

-Ww
 
4vibes said:
-Ww is actually a closet PUA.
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I actually agree with this.. I think despite his best efforts he is actually a bit of a PUA, or at least a fellow lover of women

Not sure about him wanting your secrets though!
 
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Sinapse said:
I actually agree with this.. I think despite his best efforts he is actually a bit of a PUA, or at least a fellow lover of women

Not sure about him wanting your secrets though!
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Now he knows it is more fun being a PUA than a P4P. The hunt is thrilling. The capture and play are amazing. P4P is boring compare it.

My main game would be perfect for -Ww. Its an older man's game. As my name suggests I have more than one style to the game. What I have shown on TAG is just one of my many styles. It makes the hunt more fun.
 
So this hunt thing triggered a thought and excuse me if it's been mentioned before but hear me out. Maybe PUA can be equated to sport hunting as in shooting a lion with a rifle so that you can hang it's head on your wall whereas normal relationship building is hunting for food with something the animal such as a deer has a chance at surviving such as a knife. In the absence being able to or don't have the will to hunt a deer with a knife you pay for deer meat (P4P).

Apologies if people were looking for the argument to die out but just something I was thinking about. :)
 
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lurklurk said:
normal relationship building is hunting for food with something the animal such as a deer has a chance at surviving such as a knife. In the absence being able to or don't have the will to hunt a deer with a knife you pay for deer meat (P4P).
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There have been discussions in previous PUA and P4P threads along similar lines about fishing. The gist of it, as best I recall, was along the lines that someone, @Sinapse I think, trotted out the old saw about giving a man a fish vs teaching him to fish, adding that PUA is like the latter. Someone else pointed out that fishing is fine when you have the time and inclination for it but that it is usually a lot easier and more convenient to go to grocery store for fish or, going further, to order fish at a restaurant.

Imo, that's all very cute and clever and has some validity but only in a rather limited way. Women are not food and healthy relationships with them involve much more than just sex (eating in the metaphor).

But anyway, yeah, there is something to your train of thought there imo.

-Ww
 
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in a simple sense, both p4p and pua are both methods to get to that space where you can be intimate with a woman

what surprised me about p4p was how little the financial exchange part mattered.. When I am in a room with a woman I want to bed.. And we can be very good to each other.. The how and why we got to that space matters little

to the OPs question.. I think pua and p4p are broadly similar in the sense they are both concerned with having a positive experience with a partner.. Both are underpinned by social skills

when booking a escort, I feel a similar fear / excitement as I do when approaching a girl I am interested in
 
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owlet said:
what surprised me about p4p was how little the financial exchange part mattered.. When I am in a room with a woman I want to bed.. And we can be very good to each other.. The how and why we got to that space matters little
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This.

-Ww
 
I guess I should stop patting myself on the back and thinking I had a brilliant analogy.:) I just have a thing about hunting in general and how proud people can be of themselves for shooting a beautiful creature from that far away.

Anyway, I think owlet summed it up nicely and I hope nobody tries to shoot him from afar.
 
owlet said:
what surprised me about p4p was how little the financial exchange part mattered.. When I am in a room with a woman I want to bed.. And we can be very good to each other.. The how and why we got to that space matters little
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The part that scares me about this comment is the fact that the woman has no specific desire for you in particular (or if she does it's incidental)

I know you're not a rapist, but theoretically someone who roofies a girl could literally say the exact same thing. To me, "the how and why we got to that space" is pretty much everything. I don't think I could even have sex with a woman I hadn't "won over".. It would feel strange, even if she was willing.

If you are just "buying context", or even buying sex, that's fine. But somehow there's a bit of delusion happening if you think she wants to be here with you specifically. Not that that's particularly bad if everybody is consensual and nobody's getting hurt.
 
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Sinapse said:
The part that scares me about this comment is the fact that the woman has no specific desire for you in particular (or if she does it's incidental)

I know you're not a rapist, but theoretically someone who roofies a girl could literally say the exact same thing. To me, "the how and why we got to that space" is pretty much everything. I don't think I could even have sex with a woman I hadn't "won over".. It would feel strange, even if she was willing.

If you are just "buying context", or even buying sex, that's fine. But somehow there's a bit of delusion happening if you think she wants to be here with you specifically. Not that that's particularly bad if everybody is consensual and nobody's getting hurt.
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im really confused by this comment.. Can you elaborate?

I get what you are saying in that the provider may not necessarily want to be intimate, and are doing it for the money

I think the important part is its their choice, vs rape where they have no choice
 
I think what you meant doesn't really bother me at all but the wording just felt a little strange

owlet said:
When I am in a room with a woman I want to bed
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The focus is entirely on you (which is fine.. Again, you're paying for a service)

owlet said:
The how and why we got to that space matters little
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I guess the main part is that I think the how and why you got there means everything.
 
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