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Hostess is a broad term. I think you could also call kyabajo "hostess" but it doesn't work in reverse.
Hostess could simply be in a small snackbar or something.
Kyabakura clubs are quite big. The girls are typically young and cute and wear very nice evening dresses.
Rules are also a bit different per establishment. The difference between a kyabakura and a girls bar for example is that the girls in a kyaba are allowed to sit next to you and in a girls bar they have to stand behind the bar.
The places in Ginza are usually Snack Bars. I think the difference is just that kyabakura are a lot bigger.Thank you. But it still sounds pretty much like the few hostess places I was sometimes taken to by clients in the good old times (pre 2008) in Ginza or Akasaka: elegant girls in evening dresses sitting next to you in red velvet sofas, pouring whiskey and water, playing little games; Mama-san in kimono somewhere in the background. What's different? A DH girl with a kyabajo background once told me that you can actually take out girls from some - but not all - kyabakura (like some kind of up-market deai cafe, if I understood correctly). True? That would be different. If so, how's the negotiation conducted?
Thank you. But it still sounds pretty much like the few hostess places I was sometimes taken to by clients in the good old times (pre 2008) in Ginza or Akasaka: elegant girls in evening dresses sitting next to you in red velvet sofas, pouring whiskey and water, playing little games; Mama-san in kimono somewhere in the background. What's different? A DH girl with a kyabajo background once told me that you can actually take out girls from some - but not all - kyabakura (like some kind of up-market deai cafe, if I understood correctly). True? That would be different. If so, how's the negotiation conducted?
You can either meet girls for dohan before going to the shop, or take them out for after (not always encouraged if you are not a regular and seem shady, the male staff if quite protective).The term is 同伴 I think. Usually means that you can take her out before going to the club. In more upscale clubs you are also often expected to buy a bottle of wine/champagne in the club then.
It's often listed on the menue.
Thanks. Clear. BTW, does anybody know from where the name comes? Does it - or ever did - have anything to do with "cabaret"?The places in Ginza are usually Snack Bars. I think the difference is just that kyabakura are a lot bigger.
I haven't heard about this, it's usually discouraged by the staff that kyabajo sleep with customers because they feel like they got what they came for so they wont come back to buy drinks for her.
You can do "after" with a girl in kyabakura, this means you take them out after they finish work but that is usually just for dinner or karaoke.
If you are a long time customer some girls might sleep with you but its a pricy gamble.
Also you could always try to offer a girl money but it wouldn't be cheap.
I knew this pornstar who also worked at kyaba and who picked up some papas and customers there and she usually got 70.000 to 100.000 yen.
Thanks. Clear. BTW, does anybody know from where the name comes? Does it - or ever did - have anything to do with "cabaret"?
Exactly. That's why I wonder. Why "cabaret"? Did it once start out with live performances as part of the concept? I know, why soapland, why "health" etc etc etc? Maybe it has nothing to do with English, as we know the language. Just curious.I believe it is an abbreviation of the Japanese pronunciation of cabaret club.
It's what's called 和製英語 (waseieigo). The Japanese take an English word and use it for a different meaning (or make up a word that sounds English).Exactly. That's why I wonder. Why "cabaret"? Did it once start out with live performances as part of the concept? I know, why soapland, why "health" etc etc etc? Maybe it has nothing to do with English, as we know the language. Just curious.
There are actually "showkyaba" where they have dance shows and such i think.Exactly. That's why I wonder. Why "cabaret"? Did it once start out with live performances as part of the concept? I know, why soapland, why "health" etc etc etc? Maybe it has nothing to do with English, as we know the language. Just curious.
I'm not sure if snack bar is a set term.
It might not be a legal term, but I think it's pretty common for 'snack bars' to be a step or two away from hostess bars. I haven't frequented any, but I'd assume they'd be similar to bars in the US where the bartenders and waitstaff are cute but not necessarily young women.