P4p Through Twitter?

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I'm about a month and week away from my trip to Japan. Really looking forward to returning to my "second home" and enjoy all the sights and sounds.

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I love you Japan!

I know I'm pretty much going to be acting as a tour guide for my group of friends I'm travelling with, so I'm sure I'll appreciate some P4P action to help relax and relieve any stress I may accumulate! And the reason I've joined the forums is to get as much info as I can before I head on over there. So a big "Thank You" for all reviews and for those who are around helping guys like me.

With that said, I was wondering if anyone has made arrangements for a P4P session through Twitter? I'm thinking of trying out different type of venues on this trip (Soapland, Pink Salon), and meeting an independent or "non pro" provider is something that interests me as well. Some of my best experiences have been through independent providers and most (if not all) people on Twitter seem to offer FS, which isn't a total must but a great to have, so I'm considering this option.

Any thoughts, advice or even stories/life lessons would be greatly appreciated. And also I apologize in advance if there's already a topic like this (I searched but couldn't find one).
 
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Hi-

I don't really know why Twitter would be different from booking via another mechanism (email, text, TAG, LINE, etc). A DM is a DM, right? You obviously aren't going to want to publicly discuss things anyway, and usually if an escort is on Twitter, it's mainly for advertising purposes.

Now, discussing Soaplands, etc, I have reached out to a number of soaplands, agencies, and even soapland girls or porn stars that had accounts on Twitter to, for example, see if seeing a foreigner was okay. Beyond that I'd do the booking via phone or email (or both).
 
I haven't seen any places that specifically take requests/reservations via Twitter (not saying they aren't out there) but there's an increasing number of services that will take reservations via LINE. I get the impression its not a terribly popular app in the US but, at least in Japan, its pretty much the de facto form of casual communication at the moment.

Its free so it might not hurt to grab an account if you don't have one.

*Edit* Just re-read your post and it looks like there are some providers on Twitter that you already have your eye on - can't provide any info there but if you reach out to any I'd love to hear how it works out!
 
Hey guys,

After reading over my first post, I think the way I worded some of my sentences may have confused my intention!

I'll definitely go through normal means (phone, txt, email, etc.) when making arrangements with the various agencies and providers. I was specifically looking for those who work independently and use social media like Twitter/LINE to advertise and contact clients directly. If you search around Twitter, you can easily find people advertising their rates and such:
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(just a random example)

As I mentioned, some of my best P4P experiences have been with those who only provide such services at their leisure and thought I would try it out while in Tokyo. Of course it's very similar to using sites like Craigslist or Backpages, as in there are some risks involved; the usual bait and switch or the girl isn't entirely upfront and actually works for some kind of agency. Not much I can do about the latter, but it's at least somewhat easy to weed out the fake accounts at the beginning and one can simply walk away from a bait and switch when meeting the girl.

Anyway, not sure how many people have gone through this route (especially since there are many easier options out there!) but any info, thoughts or advice would be helpful!
 
Interesting. I've seen a bunch of women with accounts that are suggestive of 'compensated dating' and the like, but never ones that come outright with pricing and no-nos. This seems a lot like some of the other apps that are out there where women post in code.
 
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Huh. This is a whole new world for me. This girl has her preferences set as a pinned tweet and kind of posts updates as she goes. One of her tweets says "Guys that think that no condom means they can come inside me, please stay away".

https://twitter.com/1213Magnolia/status/773724816410947585

Can't see the tweet myself but yeah, I've ran into a few who do the same.

I've even seen show off some screenshots of texts with a client after a session, thanking them for a wonderful time. I guess it's a way to show that they are real and to advertise? Or on the flip side, I've also seen some tweet out user names and screenshots of conversations with clients who stood them up.
 
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So the info Faboo posted up piqued my interest and I started to dig in to what was up on the compensated dating Twittersphere.
Threw some time at it over the weekend and now I feel like I've got a pretty good stock of info for you guys.

So first things first, almost all the accounts used in this are basically throwaway accounts (both for the punters and the girls) - nobody uses their "real" Twitter account. So if you find a girl that you're interested in you pretty much need to act quickly - most of the accounts I saw had been made in the last few days and even the "oldest" ones were from July or August. Turnaround is very high.

There are a LARGE amount of scam accounts and general shadiness. The most common seems to be "girls" asking for people to send them pre-payments (in iTunes cards, Amazon gift cards, etc) and then disappearing. I came across some posts by punters calling them out on this - posting shots of them "at the meeting point" that were clearly taken at the wrong time of day, etc or punters calling out accounts that had scammed them (usually with a note that they were stupid to fall for something so obvious). There are also a lot of very obvious fake accounts (numerous accounts posting the exact same info with a few details changed over the course of a couple hours, etc).

There are also lots of underage girls (or people claiming to be underage girls) casting about for dates. Sometimes they will list their ages in their profiles and other times they will just put their school year (JC = junior high / JK = high school. JK2 would be second year high school or 16/17 years old, etc) Searching around a bit it seems like the police are definitely active in investigating this stuff online so be SURE you check the age of any girls you are getting in contact with. Otherwise you might be in for a meeting with the Japanese version of Chris Hansen.

Most of the girls casting for dates in Tokyo seem to want to meet in Shibuya/Ikebukuro. Not coincidentally there are also lots of Deai Cafes in these areas... I would not be surprised at all if most of the girls posting stuff up on Twitter are also in Deai Cafe or the like.

Most of the girls are looking for one off encounters and many state in their profiles that they won't exchange contact/LINE/etc. Some are looking for "papa-katsu"(sugar relationships) but they seem to be in the minority.

The general going rate seems to be 20,000 for covered FS with uncovered or shooting inside going for higher rates. Some girls clearly state that they are only up for covered FS. You also see ads for "puchi", which stands for anything other than FS (usually HJ/BJ) and can run anywhere from 5000 on up. The guy is always expected to cover the hotel and some girls want other compensation (transportation costs, etc) as well. There are profiles out there requesting less but to be honest almost all of them seemed very suspect...

This is obviously ALL in Japanese. If you don't have decent written Japanese comprehension/composition skills you're not going to get far - I don't think Google Translate, etc will cut it here as there are a ton of abbreviations/slang used and most of the time the actual profile info (including services, fees, etc) are posted as screenshots - not text - to avoid the 140 character limit so you can't copy and paste it. Almost all of the actual communication is done via DM on Twitter.

That's the basic information. I threw an account together and used it to get in touch with a few girls - I'll post my experiences with them below:

Girl 1: Self described as "menhera" (mentally unstable) in her profile but looked pretty cute. DMed her and set up a general time and area for meeting along with the requirements (cost, etc). At the very end before finalizing the meeting I politely said "I need to tell you I'm a white guy. Is that OK?" and immediately received a reply "DIE! DIE!" followed by her blocking me. Hahaha... not shitting you guys at all. So yeah... menhera is correct.

Girl 2: Didn't have many photos up but had her basic measurements along with a (partially obscured) shot of her face and quite a bit of info - she'd been using the profile for a while. Cleared the foreigner issue with her (no problem as long as I could speak Japanese in person). Arranged to meet up in a few hours and I headed out. I arrived at the meeting place, let her know I was there and waited. She messaged me saying she needed some more time to get ready and was currently changing in the bathroom of a department store on the other side of the station - she wanted me to head over there and meet her. I did so and was waiting... and waiting... eventually about 30~40 minutes after we'd initially agreed to meet she showed up. I shouldn't have waited. Her profile said she was 45 kg but if she was anywhere under 65 I would be shocked. But I'm an idiot so I went with her to the hotel anyway... Not gonna lie, she was kind of gross all around. We got into it but I was just not feeling it and called it off after 10 or 15 minutes. I 100% should have bailed as soon as I saw her, but that's on me. Not a rad experience.

Girl 3: Lots of photos up, lots of info, solid profile. No problem with a foreigner. We were exchanging DMs back and forth up until I reached the meeting spot. She said she would head out and be there soon. Waited... and waited... and waited... After 2o minutes or so I bounced - no interest in repeating the last experience. I never got another DM from her - I'm guessing she scoped me out and didn't like how I looked? Dunno. No cash lost, though, so no big deal.

Girl 4: Similar to the last one - profile and account all looked solid. DMed her about meeting up and went back and forth a few times about place and timing but when I asked her if she was cool with a foreigner I didn't hear back from her. Waited 10 minutes or so and sent another DM basically saying "So I guess that's a no?" and she replied back saying she was "Allergic to white people" which I have to admit was a pretty funny way of ending the conversation.

As with anything YMMV - maybe there are some super QTs out there and I just had bad luck.

That said the last few days didn't entice me to spend much more time on Twitter trying for P4P - there are so many other simpler, safer and more certain options it just doesn't seem like its worth the effort. At 20,000 plus hotel you could probably just hit up a low end soap if you really wanted FS and if you're in the market for anything else there are a ton of other providers out there that can provide the same service for the same/less money and with more accountability in case things go south.

If you've got a real desire for amateurs it seems like Deai Cafes would be a better option (although I haven't tried them myself) - at least there you can actually see the girl before you approach her and if you get shot down you know right then and there instead of taking a train across town and waiting around for nothing. Some reviews/experiences I've read said that there are definitely "pros" working the Deai Cafe as well but I get the impression that there's also no small amount of pros posting on Twitter as amateurs. At the cafe you also know for a fact that she's legal, which is a very big plus.
 
As an addendum to my last post here's a perfect example of a total scam post:

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Points to notice:

1) Way, way too cheap - 5000 for CFS when most girls are asking for 20,000
2) Requesting half of the fee upfront to avoid cancellations
3) Multiple accounts posting the same info (in the space of a minute or two in this case, haha)
and, to a lesser extent
4) Word salad account name - probably just randomly generated

These are super easy to pick out but my impression is that there is a LOT of shadiness out there and some may be quite a bit harder to detect.
 
Geez, times like these I wish there were ways to give multiple likes to posts. Awesome amount of info and going above and beyond by actually trying it out yourself!
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It's a little sad to hear that things didn't go so well when meeting up these girls. Going to a Deai Cafe might be a better alternative to avoid the issues you ran into, but I think the appeal of using Twitter is that you can find and make arrangements with the girls in advance and not having to wait around and probably strike out with a few girls in the process.

In retrospect, with the possibility of this thread turning into a "How To" topics for others, I should've shared what little knowledge or experience I came about. However I'm not the most articulate with such things, so I'm glad you did it first!

BIPSy has pretty much shared what I've seen, but thought I would share what little I can:
  • It does seem most prefer to meet other Japanese people. I do recall seeing 1 or 2 people advertising that they are ok with "gaijins", but that'll require a lot of searching.

  • However they may still be willing to meet you if you're Japanese is good enough. I've been upfront and let anyone who has DMed me that I am Japanese, but born and raised in Canada. They would then ask how good my Japanese was and if I understood their rules/info, and they all seem to be ok with meeting with me afterwards.

  • A great way of finding fakes is to reverse image search any pics they share. There are several instances where doing so with their display pic would turn up several Twitter accounts using the same image. It could very well be the same person just using multiple accounts, but it's a definite red flag. I've also had a few which resulted in finding out it was a doctored image from other official Twitter accounts of gravure models or something similar. Not a good sign! Or perhaps these gravure models are using said accounts to P4P on the side? Wishful thinking I'm sure!!

  • Another simply way to find fakes is to just read their tweets and look at any links they provide. Tweeting the same stuff over and over, constantly retweeting other people's tweets, or providing links to compensated dating sites are usually dead giveaways.

  • Already mentioned, but do pay attention to prices and paying methods. 20,000 does seem to be the average amount for a session so you should be cautious for anything less. And paying any amount in advance should be avoided.

  • And should be said again, pay attention to their ages. I most certainly wouldn't want to hear multiple stories of people getting into trouble when attempting to meet someone who was under-aged, especially if it was by accident.
 
Been away from the forums for a bit since I've actually been busy traveling around Japan! Just got back home a few hours ago and starting to feel the jetlag kicking in, so instead of lying in bed doing nothing I thought I would be productive by posting my experience.

So sadly, and what I was afraid would happen, I didn't get a chance to explore any shops or providers due to the fact that I was traveling with a group of friends and acting as one of their guides. The only day we decided to do our own things was on Friday morning/afternoon, which unfortunately I needed to use to do some last minute shopping. It also didn't help that it was raining all day so I wasn't really in the mood to travel around.

I didn't want my trip to be a total bust, so I multitasked by firing off some random direct messages over Twitter to people who were advertising that they were looking in Ikebukuro as I was shopping. Actually managed to connect with a couple of girls in the process and found one that could meet during available time. Going over details with Yui did require quite a bit of knowledge in Japanese but thankfully it wasn't too difficult and finding the meeting spot was fairly simple (although I did get it mixed up with another place, but that was entirely my fault).

Messaged Yui when I got to our meeting spot and it didn't take long for her to show up, maybe 10mins at most. However the girl that showed up didn't look like the one in her account. Pretty sure she was closer to a 60kg than the advertised 46kg so a little on the chubby side overall. Says she's 24 but I would say she looked more in her late 20's or even early 30's. However I was more disappointed with how different she looked in terms of style: expected more of a "natural" look, but had coloured hair and little heavy with the makeup. By no means was she ugly though, so decided to go with her to a hotel. In terms of personality, she was very fun and talkative but not overly energetic or bubbly.

In terms of action, it was slightly disappointing but that was also part of my fault. Showered "together", but it was merely the 2 of us sharing the shower as we just quickly washed ourselves. As soon as we got to the bed, she started with a nice HJ as she kissed/licked my chest area. Continued on with a covered BJ, a major turn off for some but was perfectly fine with me, especially since I hadn't ejaculated for almost an entire week and was rock hard at that point! She was clearly experienced since she knew when to slow down or stop without me telling her. When it felt like I couldn't hold it in anymore, we then moved on to FS and took her in the missionary position. She didn't like to be kissed during (or , which is a pretty big negative for me, but the dirty talk and encouragement to cum so that we can quickly get ready for round 2 kind of made up for that. Sadly soon after my first shot I had to go due to some last minute changes in plans with friends. Overall cost for the session was 20,000 plus hotel.

Overall a pretty "meh" experience. Wasn't terrible but it definitely could've been better. At very least, I saw better looking girls meeting up with their clients as I was waiting for Yui. I'll probably find myself using Twitter again if I'm the same predicament but I would ideally prefer to be better prepare and research ahead next time. Hopefully I'll be back next year? We shall see!
 
She didn't like to be kissed during (or , which is a pretty big negative for me,
That should've read as: She didn't like to be kissed during the entire session, which is a pretty big negative for me
Not sure how I screwed that up during editing! :sleep:

Also, totally missing the convenient and abundant number of vending machines on the streets! Me thinks the post vacation blues are starting to kick in now :(
 
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Girl 1: Self described as "menhera" (mentally unstable) in her profile but looked pretty cute. DMed her and set up a general time and area for meeting along with the requirements (cost, etc). At the very end before finalizing the meeting I politely said "I need to tell you I'm a white guy. Is that OK?" and immediately received a reply "DIE! DIE!" followed by her blocking me. Hahaha... not shitting you guys at all. So yeah... menhera is correct.

I lol'ed. Haha.

Awesome detective work. Sucks that the seshs weren't too pleasant. One the plus side however, I've managed to find Twitter pages of some deli health groups and deli girls, which is really just the modern version of the Picture Diaries they've been using. However I guess it's a good way to keep up to date with specific groups you're into.
 
I started looking into this as well. Wow. Very interesting. I'm trying to decipher the young Twitter slang here.
Someone wrote this in her profile "ゴム別2.生中別3です", does this mean 20,000 yen for vaginal with condom, and 30,000 without condom (cum in pussy)?

Personally, I would feel safer meeting someone who didn't offer bareback at all. I'm very tempted meeting one of these girls, probably feel more authentic than DH.
 
ゴム別 is think usually means 'I'm not bringing any condoms, so you have to supply one.'

The other prices I've seen on those tweets are usually x price for nama, and then some additional price for CIP.
 
I started looking into this as well. Wow. Very interesting. I'm trying to decipher the young Twitter slang here.
Someone wrote this in her profile "ゴム別2.生中別3です", does this mean 20,000 yen for vaginal with condom, and 30,000 without condom (cum in pussy)?

You are correct:
ゴム別2
Bring Condom - 20k
生 - Bare
中 - Cum Inside
別3 - 30k

https://tokyoadultguide.com/threads/sugar-dating-terminology.11020/#post-77240

Wrote kind of a thing here for translation on this kind of stuff, couple mistakes I'll fix in a minute.
 
I created a throwaway account on Twitter and started following a few, Twitter just keeps in suggesting more girls. Seem to be almost an endless supply. Many of them sent a DM right after I followed them. I asked if foreigner is okay, and some of them replied. The girls that replied seems to be around 23-27 years old. When I come back to Tokyo from my business trip I will try to meet some of them and report the results here.

I always wondered where to find the amateurs. I thought it was strange that Tokyo would have thousands of girls working in establishments, but a handful independents (that I found on Backpage, but haven't met any of them). I was unable to find any forum/board where Japanese independents would advertise. Now I know where to find them.
 
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I created a throwaway account on Twitter and started following a few, Twitter just keeps in suggesting more girls. Seem to be almost an endless supply. Many of them sent a DM right after I followed them. I asked if foreigner is okay, and some of them replied. The girls that replied seems to be around 23-27 years old. When I come back to Tokyo from my business trip I will try to meet some of them and report the results here.

I always wondered where to find the amateurs. I thought it was strange that Tokyo would have thousands of girls working in establishments, but a handful independents (that I found on Backpage, but haven't met any of them). I was unable to find any forum/board where Japanese independents would advertise. Now I know where to find them.

Same. I've tried looking at a few Japanese sites in the past, but it usually only ended with me at a deaikei site or something scam heavy. I'm sure there are boards/forums out there specifically for amateurs to advertise but I don't think my Japanese is good enough to find or navigate through it all properly. Which is exactly why I even tried Twitter and was pleasantly surprised that it was far more active than I thought it would be.

Getting DM soon after following an account did draw some red flags for me at first, especially since I would sometimes follow someone during the day over here (Toronto) which should be the middle night over there. However I do make an effort of only following those who seem to be real and most do continue to message me after the initial reply. I dunno, maybe they have a way that automatically generates those initial posts out or something.
 
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I don't understand why this appeals to men? Its almost always bait and switch and not very good prices. Theoretically it's more exclusive and less professional but you never know how popular a girl is.

And since they are not professionals and dont have a management (as far as you know) they are under no obligation to give you something satisfying, girls who state they dont take repeat customers and who usually throw their account away fast would most likely try to do as little as possible to please you.

I can understand going to a deai cafe because its one of the only places in Japan why you dont have to choose girls from heavily photoshopped pictures and you can even have a chat beforehand, and i understand hooking up with an independent who has a lot of photos or a fanbase and seems very trustable but i fail to see why someone would put money and time (and a chance to be stood up) into meeting with a girl with a two days old twitter account with two blurry pics which dont look like each other on it.

I'm not saying you should not do it, totally up to you.
I'm just curious about the appeal.
 
The appeal, at least for me, is to meet someone you would normally not meet. Meeting a university student without the hassle of dating and without the ghost of Mama-san when using a DH.
Maybe I'm wrong, and it turns out to be better in fantasy than real life.

I think of of the reasons the Twitter accounts are throw aways are because the police are monitoring them.
 
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I don't understand why this appeals to men? Its almost always bait and switch and not very good prices. Theoretically it's more exclusive and less professional but you never know how popular a girl is.

And since they are not professionals and dont have a management (as far as you know) they are under no obligation to give you something satisfying, girls who state they dont take repeat customers and who usually throw their account away fast would most likely try to do as little as possible to please you.

I can understand going to a deai cafe because its one of the only places in Japan why you dont have to choose girls from heavily photoshopped pictures and you can even have a chat beforehand, and i understand hooking up with an independent who has a lot of photos or a fanbase and seems very trustable but i fail to see why someone would put money and time (and a chance to be stood up) into meeting with a girl with a two days old twitter account with two blurry pics which dont look like each other on it.

I'm not saying you should not do it, totally up to you.
I'm just curious about the appeal.

I think the main reason and appeal is that the person you're trying to connect with isn't a professional. There's an obvious appeal of meeting up with the "girl next door", rather than someone you would normally associate with being in the business. Also with her not being as active, there's the chance the whole experience wouldn't be as mechanical or routine. My best experiences have been with girls who weren't professionals (or at least claimed to be) since the whole session felt natural.

But yes, there are definite risks. The girl underperforming is certainly a concern and possibility as they are not under any obligation to try to keep you as a customer, but thankfully that has never happened in my experiences. As for bait and switches, that can and does happen all the time regardless of what type of provider to pursue. And if the person happens to be lying about not being a pro, at very least I'm under the impression that she is plays into my fantasy. I actually also found it fairly easy to walk away from a bait and switch in these cases, at least in this particular situation I was in. All the girl knew about me was a very basic description of how I looked and my "name", and I could've easily just claimed that I wasn't person she was looking for and then walk away.

For me personally it's a matter of convenience and lack of time. I don't have the luxury (or confidence at this point) of going to deai cafes and only potentially meeting someone who I want to hook up with. At least with Twitter, it's just a matter of sending a few DMs and seeing what comes from it.
 
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I think the main reason and appeal is that the person you're trying to connect with isn't a professional.

While I can truly understand the appeal of that it's not normally my cup of tea. I mean if my car needs maintenance I will not try to find an amateur to work with it; why would I do that when it's my dick that needs some tender caring? :D
 
While I can truly understand the appeal of that it's not normally my cup of tea. I mean if my car needs maintenance I will not try to find an amateur to work with it; why would I do that when it's my dick that needs some tender caring? :D
Lol! I get what you mean, but not sure if that's a fair or accurate analogy. Not only is an amateur provider in the sex industry a feasible option (I don't think I've ever seen an ad for an at-home garage), their knowledge and technique can be on par or even better than a professional. And on the flip side, a pro can also overcharge and "cut corners" to get the job done.

Personally I think it's a matter of trying to find a different style or experience, rather than a difference in quality.