Paters Review

[Alice]

This site says that 50 man is the very highest end of the market in Tokyo:
https://bossgoo.sakura.ne.jp/sugardaddy-souba/

IMO, nobody is paying 50 man a month for one woman who is not their wife, unless they are a company president or celebrity type making enough money to essentially have their pick of tight-bodied college students. Which means you need to be a competitive tight-bodied college student in order to make that much.

I think most of the steady SBs are getting more like 15-25 man a month, which is more realistically in the budget of upper middle class men (company managers, lawyers, accountants, etc.) and is roughly equivalent to the cost of doing P4P every week.

Also keep in mind that there is a sort of "innocence premium" in sugaring... girls who look young and inexperienced are more competitive. You might think that guys want a total bombshell who is great at sex, but this can actually be a turn-off for a SD.

I have had an arrangement like that with a company president when I was 20. Lasted a reasonable time as well. I kept thinking someone else of the same level would come along when he ghosted me but it didn’t happen.

 

[Alice]

I am confident that a couple women that I had seen in the past were getting 40+man a month but not from just one guy.

That’s super easy for any SB with enough free time.
Two dates a week at 50.000 each will cover it already.

 

[watchinforfun]

This site says that 50 man is the very highest end of the market in Tokyo:
https://bossgoo.sakura.ne.jp/sugardaddy-souba/

IMO, nobody is paying 50 man a month for one woman who is not their wife, unless they are a company president or celebrity type making enough money to essentially have their pick of tight-bodied college students. Which means you need to be a competitive tight-bodied college student in order to make that much.

I think most of the steady SBs are getting more like 15-25 man a month, which is more realistically in the budget of upper middle class men (company managers, lawyers, accountants, etc.) and is roughly equivalent to the cost of doing P4P every week.

Also keep in mind that there is a sort of "innocence premium" in sugaring... girls who look young and inexperienced are more competitive. You might think that guys want a total bombshell who is great at sex, but this can actually be a turn-off for a SD.

Its funny how you picked and choosed which amount to use from your own artile The article even says 50000 to 300000 for a date as adults or were you meaning 50mil.

Honestly as anything it varies there are girls on the site who aren't pro's who might only be doing it one time. There are also pros who use it to see guys inbetween shop customers.

I have met at least two girls since starting who werent pros actually make that three. The third didnt want money she was there looking for sex. Funnily enough the easiest way for me to tell if they are pros/semi pro . Is during intmacy most of girls who have worked in shops do this nipple licking thing.

I can find girls on paters for around 30 to 40 a date. But there are plenty of girls who won't see you for less than 50. Been using paters non stop now for about 4 months. I have two regulars I see every other week. Both at 40 for a meal and adult time. One stays over night for no extra.

 

[boogermachine]

Is it possible to find "business partners" or "employees" using Paters or other Sugar apps? I need a local who will scout around for akiya and other investment opportunities in Japan. And who will supervise the creation of new nest egg accounts. With the added bonus of fucking me when I'm in town.

Second question, are there women on Paters who specifically want to have babies with foreigners? In South East Asia a hafu is a golden ticket to a better life... in Japan not so much, but still... a foreign husband should be less overbearing than a local, and the woman's side can become head of the household clan.

 

[Jimmy Chu1969]

Mate, I have been around the block and the women doing this sort of things are not innocent and no matter what they tell you, you aren't the first.
How they love to spin those stories, just to ensnare you.

I am confident that a couple women that I had seen in the past were getting 40+man a month but not from just one guy.

A hot j teen told me she was a virgin, but Seeking secret data says otherwise.

 

[fireman]

Its funny how you picked and choosed which amount to use from your own artile The article even says 50000 to 300000 for a date as adults or were you meaning 50mil.

You are misreading. Basically the article provides the following market ranges for major cities:

Dates: 10,000-20,000 without sex, 20,000-50,000 with sex
Monthly: 50,000-300,000 without sex, 100,000-500,000 with sex

So 500,000 (50 man) a month is about the max a girl can get from one guy in Tokyo, and she needs to be really competitive to get to that level. Alice's experience seems to corroborate this.

A girl seeing more than one guy could certainly make more, but that's harder to do, both physically and emotionally and logistically.

 

[fireman]

Is it possible to find "business partners" or "employees" using Paters or other Sugar apps? I need a local who will scout around for akiya and other investment opportunities in Japan. And who will supervise the creation of new nest egg accounts. With the added bonus of fucking me when I'm in town.

Don't cum where you eat...

Second question, are there women on Paters who specifically want to have babies with foreigners?

Probably, but they are not looking for baby daddies on Paters. You'd have better luck at some kind of "international exchange" meetup.

 

[watchinforfun]

You are misreading. Basically the article provides the following market ranges for major cities:

Dates: 10,000-20,000 without sex, 20,000-50,000 with sex
Monthly: 50,000-300,000 without sex, 100,000-500,000 with sex

So 500,000 (50 man) a month is about the max a girl can get from one guy in Tokyo, and she needs to be really competitive to get to that level. Alice's experience seems to corroborate this.

A girl seeing more than one guy could certainly make more, but that's harder to do, both physically and emotionally and logistically.

Ok understand now sorry for arguing, I was confused. I was wrong and I agree with that explanation 100%. Was curious the monthly number do you know how many meetings they considered monthly. Honestly though I would be willing to bet many girls see multiple guys monthly.

 

[Clawface]

I'm going to bump this a bit just to chime in with my limited experience. I'm trying Paters now, since I broke up with my ex and don't want to be tied down for a while. Compensated dating seems fairer than leading someone on when they have the hope of marriage etc (not trying to be a hero, just explaining my rationale which is semi relevant to the next bit 😂). It also makes it easier for me to move on if necessary.

My goal with Paters isn't to get laid immediately. If I want to do that, there are easier and safer ways in Japan. Instead I want to get to know someone overtime and hopefully it becomes a long-term steady (SB-SD) thing.

Certainly there are many beautiful girls who immediately offer to have an adult relationship. I politely reject them. Therefore, I'm starting with cafe, lunch, dinner etc and expect to do only this multiple times until I'm confident in a match.

I saw the other thread about videoing a session. I agree with the replies, it's dangerous because on these types of sites there are a mix of ordinary girls looking for a steady SD relationship, and of course the professionals.

My main point, which echos other comments, is that from my perspective it's better to treat this closer to dating than to say shop. Also, respecting the girls (and speaking Japanese) will make the experience for both parties much more enjoyable.

 

[Jimmy Chu1969]

I'm going to bump this a bit just to chime in with my limited experience. I'm trying Paters now, since I broke up with my ex and don't want to be tied down for a while. Compensated dating seems fairer than leading someone on when they have the hope of marriage etc (not trying to be a hero, just explaining my rationale which is semi relevant to the next bit 😂). It also makes it easier for me to move on if necessary.

My goal with Paters isn't to get laid immediately. If I want to do that, there are easier and safer ways in Japan. Instead I want to get to know someone overtime and hopefully it becomes a long-term steady (SB-SD) thing.

Certainly there are many beautiful girls who immediately offer to have an adult relationship. I politely reject them. Therefore, I'm starting with cafe, lunch, dinner etc and expect to do only this multiple times until I'm confident in a match.

I saw the other thread about videoing a session. I agree with the replies, it's dangerous because on these types of sites there are a mix of ordinary girls looking for a steady SD relationship, and of course the professionals.

My main point, which echos other comments, is that from my perspective it's better to treat this closer to dating than to say shop. Also, respecting the girls (and speaking Japanese) will make the experience for both parties much more enjoyable.

Good advice, but if you want to do that, you should join a social group. You can get to know hot Japanese for free or just the cost of your meals. No SB sites is for getting to know a girl like a gf. Just dropping money for hanging out after say 4 or 5 dates and you get no sugar is wasting your money unless you have money to burn.

The ladies that you get the most out of are the ones that start with dinner and sex dates. Or sometime soon after like the 3rd date. If they go longer than that, then most likely they just want easy money.

Don’t get fleeced. At least the infamous SB that I lived with briefly wasn’t lying about a few things, so I waited until she was comfortable, but then again ladies with bodies like that are hard to find on apps. She’s a lot more nutty than it’s worth. But now I know that I should have dated her older sister. 😂 Since technically I was paying for both of their travel to Korea. Both could or should be models.

But even with that kind of SB 50 man is never even asked! 50ma n and up isn’t even offered by loaded daddies for more than a one time meeting.

If you are taking about the U.S., then I can imagine that SBs can get $25,000 or more if they are lucky but that’s a me time deal too and the dude will disengage them after fucking.

The SBs I have met that were dumped by their loaded daddies seem to resent that fact.

Happy playing in the sugar or sugarless bowl. 😝

 

[Kevt]

I treat sugaring as closer to dating also.

I realize that girls can get more money per hour working a SL, while I can get cheaper sex at a SL also. So a girl that does primarily sugaring might not be doing it just for money, and some want a relationship.

my primary SB works a full time job and what I provide is extra. She has told me about other guys which is ok with me, and I'm currently the only stable one. We've met each other's friends and our families know of each other. We've got personal information on each other and talk about our personal lives like a couple. She gets a little money from me and does not see herself as a SW. She has refused money at times if she didn't need assistance.

a second new SB is now in the picture. We also know personal things about each other and plan to meet friends and family at some point. She definitely does not see herself as a SW and runs her own business. this match was fairly unexpected.

I have one that I just see for sex.

there is a wide range of what both sides look for. Just have to find good matches.

I had a escort treat me like her own SB for a bit. She made so much money and just enjoyed pampering me and having me around. From my perspective, it wasn't cost effective since I'd make more money on my own, but being pampered had its perks. We've met each others families, and my wife knows her as my rich friend.

 

[Clawface]

Here are my quick follow up perspectives.

After having met a few girls, I came across a wide range.

The first girl I met didn't want me to pay for the lunch date and seemed interested in me just to date. I wasn't interested though so gave her the agreed amount and went my way. Conversation was fine and she was nice enough, but just not my type.

Second girl was hot and wanted a follow on date, but her messaging was sporadic and non-communicative so I canceled the second date.

Girl three was hot and very keen to have follow on dates and very communicative. Fun to chat with as well. She originally wanted 3 man for the next dinner date but I declined and she lowered her requirements and we are meeting again very soon.

Girls four and five were just physically not my type. I've learnt my lesson and now won't meet anyone without clear photos.

I have some other tenantive dates set but will see how the second date goes with Girl three and if all goes well might just stick with her while it lasts.

All the dates I had wanted to swap Line and no-one blocked me.

Thinking about the economics... 顔合わせ is like a slightly expensive Japanese lesson - my Japanese is fluent but it's always good to have one hour intensive discussions with the locals.

Overall though, I think it's probably not for me in the long run. Just a bit too commercial. It's good for a post break-up period though.

 

[bobbo22]

what do you guys put up for profile photos? Just normal ones?

 

[Clawface]

what do you guys put up for profile photos? Just normal ones?

No way haha. At the very least heavily blurred.

Anyway, I quit because it's a waste of time and money and paying a non-pro for their time is sketchy IMHO and also boring after the first few, just knowing the only reason the girl is there to pick up some travel dollars.

顔合わせ is relatively good value as a Japanese lesson considering the teacher is likely to be hotter than you'd usually get 😃.