Performing Cunniligus

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  1. ShibaKen

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    Hi,

    Would just like to know what people think of performing oral on escorts or girls working in pink salons/delivery health/soaplands. Have you done it or do you avoid it all together?
    I'm actually pretty keen on trying it but with every other sexual act, am a little bit hesitant because of stds.
     
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    I did it several times and I really liked it. As to STDs, it's same choice, whether you go for BBBJ or CBJ. Everybody makes his own decision.
     
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    I have been doing it for decades with p4p partners and np4p partners, including some extremely promiscuous ones; I don't even know where to begin to guess how many times total or how many different women. I have never contracted anything. So, if you want anecdotal evidence, put that data into the hopper.

    If you want a more rigorous assessment, there is plenty of information available online from reputable medical sources (e.g., the US Center for Disease Control, the World Health Organization). The bottom line is that there are risks involved but at very low levels, almost certainly lower than those you unthinkingly tolerate in all sorts of ordinary everyday activities.

    -Ww
     
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    As Wwanderer says, it's an extremely low-risk activity. I would also add that women tend to exhibit visible STD symptoms far more than men do, so it should be immediately obvious when you get up close whether or not you should go for it. Like food, if it looks good and smells good, it's probably safe to eat. ;)

    Of course, this isn't a fail safe rule with viruses like HPV and herpes simplex, which can be symptomless and are spread by skin-to-skin contact, but these are viruses that can be spread even when wearing a condom, and so a risk you have to take as a sexually active adult.
     
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    You can call me Ww, good looking! ;)

    -Ww
     
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    For me, deli health, fashion health, or soapland is fine, but pink salons give me pause.

    Maybe irrational fear, but as a health or soapland girl has maybe 6-8 clients a day, and showers before and after spending time with each client, a pink salon girl may have over twenty clients and can't really clean herself well between sessions.

    Of course a shower is probably not going to reduce std risk much if at all, it 'seems' cleaner.

    If however the girl asks me to, I always gladly oblige, whether she works in a pink salon or not, because that is amazingly hot.
     
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    Thank you for the responses! Been really insightful! :)
     
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    I`m thinking of doing it with a dental dam - cut up a condom and put it over the area, Not as much fun but it gives me more peace of mind. I think DATY on a woman is higher risk than receivng a BJ. Some of the STDs of course show no visible symptoms. Just my opinion from what I`ve read.
     
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    If you go that route, I think you would be much better off using an actual medical dental dam than a cut up condom, in several ways.

    -Ww
     
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    I believe it is really personal choice. As @kittyotodoke mentioned "..if it looks good and smells good..." Pretty much the same thing what my Dermatologist said. He also added that I do not necessary need to go and get a blood test of all known STDs when I get out of PNG. He said, if it does not hurt when I pee, very unlikely to have any STD. Except of course HiV which would present itself differently from other diseases. He also told me that if I am really concerned about it, do not do BBBJs and use condom. It is never 100% guaranteed, but if that puts my mind at ease, I should do it that way. Well, I am not that kind of guy. I like natural things, so I want to feel the tongue of a girl, when she goes down on me. Well over a decade and luckily not once any catch ;) of course I do not do stupid, irresponsible things, so that might be just it.

    However, if I finally get the chance to go to a Pink Bar, I don't think I would want to do DATY, and not because of hygiene issues, but rather the whole purpose of the service. I go there to get a BJ, that is it. If I want more, I would call Kitty or Sayuri, or any other trustworthy girls to have a bit of a fun, in private, with optional extras! :sneaky: :D
     
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    I would recommend against it for several reasons:

    1. YOU are the PAYING customer.

    It's not like this is your girlfriend. She is doing you a service that you are paying for. So she should be giving you oral, the other way around isn't needed.

    2. You are exposing yourself to an increased STD risk.

    For women giving BJs to men, they can more easily spot if something is wrong. Warts, cuts, bumps, etc... on your penis.

    However, the vagina is mostly internal. It's much more difficult for a guy to spot if a woman has something wrong.

    3. Is she drinking your cum?

    Many professional service women don't drink sperm, so why should you be drinking her fluids, which might possibly be infected with something?

    If this is a sugarbaby situation, I can see a guy handling that more intimately. With a sugarbaby, the guy might be seeing her regularly and sexual encounters might be very long sessions.

    But for a 1 hr P4P, you don't know what she might have or how many guys she went through that day. And the P4P person may not have any feelings for you or a total disregard about your safety by knowingly infecting you with something.
     
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    Sorry bro, but I think this is unrealistic PC advice. Nobody I have ever talked to has used a dental dam.

    Most people are either going to take the leap of trust and do it, or not trust the person and not do it.

    And the thought of turning sex into a hospital-like procedure often turns many people off, not on.
     
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    I have used a dental dam exactly once, years ago in a legal brothel in Melbourne. It totally killed the experience. It was about as sexy as giving head to a box of plastic wrap.

    -Ww
     
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    Wow. Obviously it didn't occur to you before you posted this that some (many) men love giving oral, and don't actually see it purely as a trade off for getting their dick sucked.

    Making pronouncements about what is and isn't 'needed' when the poster has obviously expressed an interest in performing the act isn't helpful.

    You don't do it. Fine. Let others evaluate the risks (which have been outlined in detail already) and make up their own mind.
     
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    right on! Giving oral is certainly one of my favorite things to do.
     
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    Yes. I also enjoy the act. I don't see it as give and take. Most of the time I'm in the mood to give. Nothing beats dining on a peach and tonight I am starving!
    I've been around SE Asia a lot and luckily I haven't gotten anything. But I always observe proper hygiene (slight OCD) and choose the ladies carefully.

    But its entirely up to you. Like everything else I hope you understand the risks involved. We all have to make a choice and live with them as cliche as that sounds.


    A bit off-topic, I like to massage the ladies as well. I know the basics and I enjoy pleasuring them sensually as well.
    My favorite parts to massage are the neck, nape, shoulders, back (esp lower) and finally inner thighs.
     
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    Max: you're probably every girl's ideal client! Nothing beats a massage from a man who knows what he's doing. I haven't met many who can do it well but when I have... wow.

    Although of course a provider's priority should be the client's pleasure, the best possible scenario is having the client enjoy himself while pleasuring me! ;)
     
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    Now Kitty, if we met, I would probably lick you ;-)

    However, you have a good reputation and uphold a high standard. I also agree that it's up to the guy and various guys want to give oral pleasure to women.

    But the reality is that as a general rule, not all P4P providers are as clean, uphold high standards, or can be trusted.

    A guy could be married or living with a woman, and need to protect his wife or live-in girlfriend. And the reverse is true. Bad enough if I had a girlfriend cheat on me (excluding open relationships), but I surely don't want her to give me an STD on top of that.

    I do believe in making exceptions for sugarbabies and I will modify that, so that may include P4P prividers that you know and trust. But, when in doubt, I think we all can agree, that a guy might want to be cautious.
     
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    If you are among the many mongers who seek and adore GFEs, you should definitely NOT take that attitude into a p4p encounter imo and experience. If you want to enjoy the fantasy that she is your gf, then you should treat her like she is...both re oral sex and in general.

    -Ww
     
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    Probably it is one of the many ways in which I am weird/unusual but just to illustrate how different people's tastes and pleasures can be, for me my partner's orgasm is usually the most intense and memorable part of a sexual encounter, considerably more than my own. I like mine, but I LOVE hers, and if only one of us is going cum, I'd much prefer it be her. (Both is better, of course.) For me there are very few sexier feelings than having a woman's uncontrollable passion on the tip of my tongue, so to speak. Occasionally I encounter escorts who won't let me give them head, absolutely their prerogative and right of course, but I never repeat with them.

    -Ww
     
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    Wwanderer me too, I love to make a woman cum!
     
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    Oh you. You do know how to massage a girl's ego! ;) I'll hold you to that if we ever meet...

    Fair points, definitely. I'm bisexual, and while I've never been with a provider, I certainly wouldn't go down on her if I knew she was high volume and was lax about protection. Protecting the wife/girlfriend at home from STDs is something I passionately believe in, too, which is one of the reasons I myself am so against barebacking in the sex industry. It's not just the girl and yourself you put at risk, but your wife, girlfriend, and any other women you sleep with after that.

    What I was objecting to was the suggestion that because you're paying you shouldn't give the girl pleasure, when many men find this to be the highlight of the experience. Getting a girl to cum is one of the greatest feelings in the world! Huge ego boost, for one.
     
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    I`m pretty clean, will someone lick me too! LOL I`m a cunning linguist!

    Kitty I agree, thank you. And Solong I agree with your quote above (quoted by Kitty). I`ll just add that not only is it a great feeling to get a girl to cum and an ego boost, but it is an act of love.
    (If you`ll indulge me for a moment:)

    I love women! Sure they piss me off at times. And hanging out with guys is easier in many ways. But I truly love women. Not only the ones who are in my life. Women in general. I would think some of the guys here would feel the same way.

    Anyway, if I pay for an hour or two of her time, I want it to be as special as possible and that means giving pleasure to her too. Many providers do not want this. So I move on to others that do want or at least allow a GFE.
    I think a kiss can be so powerful, that a lot of providers and clients shy away from it. And I never force it of course.

    Sex is powerful as we all know. It really gets to the soul if you believe in one. A kiss really helps to get to ones spirit (or core). So some clients and providers stick with the wam bam thank you mam method. Fair enough.

    I want it to be special. I`m willing to accept that maybe that comes from my own selfishness. But if it does, it is a pretty benign form of it. I think in fact it is an act of love. That is why we call it making love, and I do feel
    that with the right provider, if you click, that is exactly what it becomes. (But there are no attachments, you happen to meet, share some precious time together, then part)

    But make that time as special as you can. Life really is so very short.

    I agree that adding dental dams to the mix probably dampens the mood and sense of trust. (I`m fairly new to all of this so trying to find my limits in P4P) What is relatively safe? What isn`t?

    So far so good!

    I think a nice kiss and great love making go a long way towards the spirit, and that can be with a provider. She is a woman. You are a man. Sparks can fly in any relationship, even one as brief as an hour or two. Or Not.

    But if they do fly:

    When you part, you feel a bit of sadness. But that was because the lovemaking was so good! I think it is difficult to fake that.
     
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    To add my two cents about risk, several months ago I got a mono-nucleosis. The one you catch one time in your life, and knocks you down for weeks.

    I believe (though I have not tangible/definite proof and won't seek for any) that it was because of my performing a cunilingus with a provider. The timing of events fits perfectly, and I assessed every other possible known option, which are even more unlikely by a huge factor.

    This had a huge impact in my personal life, because this is something you're supposed to catch at a younger age and a very different setting in your love life. I got suspiscions around me like never before, which was a challenging experience.

    Before that I was conscient of the risk, already took the time to consider whether going for cunnilingus with my partners (considering their high volume/hygiene behaviour), but even so.

    I recovered from this in the end, I took great care not to transmit this to anybody else (which was successful and now 'very unlikely').

    This hasn't altered my guidelines regarding p4p in any way, I'm just asking myself the question each time from a different perspective.
    And this is a huge reminder not to go bareback under _any_ circomstance, especially the ones when you think nothing bad can happen because things feel so good (I have a recent exemple in mind ;) )
     
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    @DJV

    Unless I am mistaken (quite possible), mononucleosis is easily transmitted by kissing...which is the reason it is so common in adolescence just starting to experiment with physical love, typically in high school or junior high school. Your strong belief that you caught it via cunnilingus suggests that you did not kiss that escort/provider or any others you saw around the same time, or at least not very much. If so, would you suggest that kissing is too dangerous an activity to practice in commercial sex encounters? I don't believe I have ever heard that suggested before.

    Nevertheless, I do suspect that the diseases most often transmitted in p4p are not STDs at all but many other sorts of infectious diseases, from common colds to influenza to TB and worse. I suspect that the latter might be the most commonly transmitted serious disease via prostitution (mostly in Third World venues). And, of course, condoms do nothing to protect one from health risks of those sorts.

    From my perspective, life brings a constant barrage of risks of many types, most of which can be reduced or eliminated only at a cost of one sort or another. The trick is to figure out when it is worth doing so and when it is not. Some wit once remarked that, "Suicide is the only way to make sure that some unexpected mishap doesn't kill you."

    -Ww
     
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