Provider Personal Contact Question

[StFyle]

I read here that someone said they once in a while get the contact information of a provider. Obviously this is against shop rules but… from what I understand l, not illegal.

I’m sure for shops you regularly go to it’s a bad idea since you can get banned. However, for a shop you don't plan on going back to is this possible? Does anyone have experiences with it?

My goal would to have her provide private service. A professional relationship. Nothing more. Probably offer around the same fee the shop charged for similar services.

Thanks.

 

[Cinnabums]

Don't ask provider for this please.
If they're comfortable with you as a regular they might offer it though.
A good reason for shop to fire them indeed.

 

[watchinforfun]

So you should never ask for there number. You will risk getting black listed amount other things. I have only gotten personnel contact number one time. It was the third time I had seen her. She has told me long time no see. I explained I had tried several times but she wasn't schedule and the shop said no reservations. So she gave me lime contact and told me to message her directly. Sure it could get me blacklisted from the shop but that's only if either her or I told them. Asking is recipe for disaster.

 

[Acid Burn]

However, for a shop you don't plan on going back to is this possible? Does anyone have experiences with it?

A shop you don’t plan on going back to? So if she doesn’t give you her contact info you wouldn’t repeat with her at her shop?

My goal would to have her provide private service. A professional relationship. Nothing more. Probably offer around the same fee the shop charged for similar services.

What kind of shop are you talking about? Are you her regular? Seeing someone outside of their shop requires a lot of trust on the provider’s part.

Don’t ask for her contact info. If she wants you to have it she’ll ask for yours. And even if you do get her contact info, it’s not gonna be for an outside professional relationship, it’s probably just going to be for hime yoyaku or to keep you engaged to keep repeating with her.

 

[Airnest]

So you should never ask for there number. You will risk getting black listed amount other things. I have only gotten personnel contact number one time. It was the third time I had seen her. She has told me long time no see. I explained I had tried several times but she wasn't schedule and the shop said no reservations. So she gave me lime contact and told me to message her directly. Sure it could get me blacklisted from the shop but that's only if either her or I told them. Asking is recipe for disaster.

In your case you didn’t do anything wrong and it won’t get you blacklisted unless you ask her to see you privately. For her, it was an opportunity for a sure customer and as long as you contact and meet her through the shop there should be no problems. Most shops forbid girls from exchanging contacts because customers try to see the girls privately and they lose their cut. In contrast to you, OP wants to get contacts to see them privately and that’s a no-no.

 

[Maxblack]

Some shops “forbid” direct contact with the ladies. Some encourage/tolerate/insist.
Some ladies have “pro” LINE accounts specifically for work. Some ladies give their personal LINE to a select few. Some give it to anyone.
So first of all: just ask: “can I get your line to contact you directly to make bookings?”
Answer will be a straight yes or no.

Regarding meeting directly, out of the shop, you can ask, politely, and abide by the answer.
Some ladies will refuse. Some will consider. Some will actively encourage. It really depends; a shop provides admin support, personal safety, and steady work. But takes a cut.
Direct contact is more profitable for her but less regular and much more personally risky.

Whatever her answer, be polite and straightforward with what you want so that she can make a decision that works for her. And then respect that decision.

 

[StFyle]

Thanks for all the replies.

The girl told me where she lived, about her regular job and the conversation went way off the rails. So it seemed she'd be keen to do independent if I had asked. I never had a provider get that detailed about her life outside etc. It felt like a rare encounter and it wasn't the first time. She also walked me out of the place and onto the streets. Ya, could have just been over the top service, but not like I ever experienced.

Asking some random first time provider is not what I was talking about. It's generally something I would not recommend or consider. Having said that, Maxblack I think had the answer I was looking for.

 

[StFyle]

Don't ask provider for this please.
If they're comfortable with you as a regular they might offer it though.
A good reason for shop to fire them indeed.

Ya. I considered that and I don't think she cares that much.

She has a regular 9-5 and makes decent money (according to her - but she has no reason to lie).

I was thinking more of the lines of social media not personal email/phone if that changes anything.

 

[Maxblack]

Some ladies have entirely fake back stories to back up their obviously fake SW personality. Some don’t think about the potential dangers to over sharing personal information. Some don’t care about blurring the lines between their fake and real persona. Some are overly trusting. Some are stupid. Some are very very very clever…
I have had numerous ladies give me their line with their obviously real name. Some I’ve met “for real” including discovering a mutual friend who knew about her job. Some have ghosted me. Some have blocked me. Sometimes this is related to them leaving the industry. Sometimes not.
One had her FULL (first and last) name as her line and said “oh my name isn’t really [shop name]” and I just replaced the displayed name with her shop name to keep it easy. She also told me the university she supposedly attended. A simple google search matched the real name with the school. Dangerous? Maybe. Maybe not; perhaps I am the only person she ever shared her line with? Perhaps it’s all a brilliant ruse? Perhaps her dad is a gangster and she’s untouchable?
Doesn’t matter, the rule is ALWAYS:
ask for what you want and accept whatever answer you get.

 

[StFyle]

Some ladies have entirely fake back stories to back up their obviously fake SW personality. Some don’t think about the potential dangers to over sharing personal information. Some don’t care about blurring the lines between their fake and real persona. Some are overly trusting. Some are stupid. Some are very very very clever…
I have had numerous ladies give me their line with their obviously real name. Some I’ve met “for real” including discovering a mutual friend who knew about her job. Some have ghosted me. Some have blocked me. Sometimes this is related to them leaving the industry. Sometimes not.
One had her FULL (first and last) name as her line and said “oh my name isn’t really [shop name]” and I just replaced the displayed name with her shop name to keep it easy. She also told me the university she supposedly attended. A simple google search matched the real name with the school. Dangerous? Maybe. Maybe not; perhaps I am the only person she ever shared her line with? Perhaps it’s all a brilliant ruse? Perhaps her dad is a gangster and she’s untouchable?
Doesn’t matter, the rule is ALWAYS:
ask for what you want and accept whatever answer you get.

Ya. That all makes sense. Can’t take it all at face value. It could be stories. Thing is. A lot of what she said lined up with me and my life. We talked about things in detail. If it was a story, she probably couldn’t. Having said that I think you’re right. Probably some play characters so to speak. It’s kinda interesting to me to be honest.

 

[Maxblack]

She’s human, and despite her job being what it is she is most definitely not one-dimensional.
She could be sincerely attracted to you AND also consider you a great customer with lots of money potential.
Again: be open and honest about what you want and what you are willing to pay for (and not pay for), and accept her answer.

 

[Alice]

Some shops “forbid” direct contact with the ladies. Some encourage/tolerate/insist.
Some ladies have “pro” LINE accounts specifically for work. Some ladies give their personal LINE to a select few. Some give it to anyone.
So first of all: just ask: “can I get your line to contact you directly to make bookings?”
Answer will be a straight yes or no.

Regarding meeting directly, out of the shop, you can ask, politely, and abide by the answer.
Some ladies will refuse. Some will consider. Some will actively encourage. It really depends; a shop provides admin support, personal safety, and steady work. But takes a cut.
Direct contact is more profitable for her but less regular and much more personally risky.

Whatever her answer, be polite and straightforward with what you want so that she can make a decision that works for her. And then respect that decision.

I agree with this. I don’t think it’s a big deal to ask politely and most girls will handle it well and won’t freak out.

Meeting outside for the same price can obviously be more profitable for the girl, but I guess especially in budget shops, the way to make money is to have lots of customers in a row, so it’s not really worth the money to go somewhere especially to meet just one guy for the same amount.

 

[Alice]

She’s human, and despite her job being what it is she is most definitely not one-dimensional.
She could be sincerely attracted to you AND also consider you a great customer with lots of money potential.
Again: be open and honest about what you want and what you are willing to pay for (and not pay for), and accept her answer.

Again, spot on.

 

[kirayamato]

My goal would to have her provide private service. A professional relationship. Nothing more. Probably offer around the same fee the shop charged for similar services.

I am curious, what is the benefit for you to use her service outside the store if you plan to pay the same fee?

For the girl, they might get 100% instead of certain percentage at the store but that comes with certain risk and they can only do it during their off time.

personally it is too much hassle to setup appointment outside store and it can lead to unnecessary entanglement. (been in this situation twice in my homecountry so I would not repeat it here)

 

[CharlieSimms]

So much discussion of how to go around the rules. This is a large contributor to how heathens get such a bad rap. Keep in mind that when you agree to a shops usage policy (such as if you register yourself on a shops site), there are often clauses about not causing damages to the shop and how you are gonna get sued if you do. Poaching talent and stealing revenue is a HUGE issue for shops. I really wonder - do all the people playing around with the rules in Japan do the same in their own countries or think rules don’t matter overseas or in Japan somehow?

 

[Maxblack]

I am curious, what is the benefit for you to use her service outside the store if you plan to pay the same fee?

For the girl, they might get 100% instead of certain percentage at the store but that comes with certain risk and they can only do it during their off time.

personally it is too much hassle to setup appointment outside store and it can lead to unnecessary entanglement. (been in this situation twice in my homecountry so I would not repeat it here)

The benefits to the client are:
More possible freedom in when and where to meet and time spent together. Also likely more potential for various activities (dinner, social, etc) that cannot be done in shop.
For her: much more cash, though more possible hassle with arranging and certainly more possible risk. And possibly more “easy” work depending on the client and / or what they are doing together.

Some shops forbid, some encourage, some don’t care. It’s up to her really.

 

[TAG Manager]

So much discussion of how to go around the rules. This is a large contributor to how heathens get such a bad rap. Keep in mind that when you agree to a shops usage policy (such as if you register yourself on a shops site), there are often clauses about not causing damages to the shop and how you are gonna get sued if you do. Poaching talent and stealing revenue is a HUGE issue for shops. I really wonder - do all the people playing around with the rules in Japan do the same in their own countries or think rules don’t matter overseas or in Japan somehow?

This generation of tourists certainly believe that Japan is a free-for-all situation where rules and manners go out the window.
You've already said enough about the shop rules and such, I won't repeat it that over and over, but I'd urge clients to understand that it's a business relationship and not a truly personal one.
The ones that have turned personal turned ugly when the girl keeps on doing her job and the dude gets jealous and can't handle that she still wants to see people for money... truly a ugly situation.

 

[Kdoung]

Exactly

 

[watchinforfun]

I am curious, what is the benefit for you to use her service outside the store if you plan to pay the same fee?

For the girl, they might get 100% instead of certain percentage at the store but that comes with certain risk and they can only do it during their off time.

personally it is too much hassle to setup appointment outside store and it can lead to unnecessary entanglement. (been in this situation twice in my homecountry so I would not repeat it here)

Safety, legality and customer base by using the shop she is covered legally and safety wise. The shop also provides her a customer base instead of having to do it all on her own.

Unlike the US or other places where sometimes all girl a does is escort. There is a high percentage of japanese girls who do it as part time job versus full time. They decided when they want to work or need to make some money. Keep in mind some do full time but the vast majority at higher end shops are part time from what I have experienced. So the shop allows them to just submit a schedule and the shop provides customers. If she did it on her own she would have to spend time screening and scheduling. So multiple reasons to use a shop when it's legal and it's set up as non pressure.