U.S. 2024 Presidential Election Season kicking off...so who are you betting on??

In case anyone is interested, fat Chris Christie just dropped out of the race this evening. Not surprising, and even less surprising, just before he attended a press conference to announce he was dropping out, he went live on some radio show to trash Nikki Haley and Ron Desantis, declaring that both are losers and have no chance. The obvious inference would be that he's (again) shamelessly jockeying for a job in the next Trump Admin, but then that fat fuck gave a really pathetic speech railing against Trump and committing himself to ensuring Trump doesn't get another term. In any even, this asshole's political career is now officially over.

Where his supposed 12% support in the upcoming Iowa Caucus goes is anyone's guess. Trump is headed for a clear victory in Iowa, but the hot race is for second place. If Haley can manage to edge out Desantis, who has the endorsement of the Iowa governor and was projected to easily beat her until recently, that's going to drastically change the dynamic in the race as Haley is headed for an easy 2nd place finish in New Hampshire and, if you believe the polls, is within 2-3 points of Trump's lead and closing in.

On the other side of the aisle, Democratic insiders, including senior campaign veterans from the Clinton and Obama camps, have all signaled that--much to their overwhelming dismay--the Democratic Party seems to be stuck with Joe Biden as their candidate and it's just too late to swap horses. Joe "Squints" Biden, who can barely string together a sentence longer than 3-4 words before trailing off or getting confused and frustrated.

The really sad part is that, as far as I can tell, enthusiasm from both sides of the political spectrum here on the ground seems to be sorely lacking, barely perceptible, and outside from the usual nutjob extremists on both ends, a far cry from 2016 or even 2020. Dare I say, the utterly shit choices on both sides seems to be turning people off and folks are just tuning out. That, I think, is the most dangerous aspect of all of this.

Shit, maybe I should run for office then.
I get that Biden is not always coherent but more often than not he actually makes sense.
The other guy is rambling about magnets, showers, changing a tornado course with a sharpie, raving about Kim Jong Un , and whining about the “stolen” election etc.. so in terms of cognitive abilities I would still rank Biden higher (relatively speaking)
But more importantly: how come you guys find yourselves AGAIN with the two same semi-senile old geezers as candidates?
Frankly sometimes I wonder why we even bothered to help this country become independent (ok, you paid back with interests in 1944, respect)
Maybe King Charles would still be a better ruler, and he’s my least favorite Brit
 
But more importantly: how come you guys find yourselves AGAIN with the two same semi-senile old geezers as candidates?
Honestly the majority of reasonable Americans also are extremely confused how we ended up as these 2 as our options. It's ridiculous but theres nothing I can do about it.

I wouldn't trust an 80 year old to do practically anything yet here is one trying to become president again. Then Trump I mean nothing much needs to be said about why hes a terrible candidate, it's sad that he is even allowed to be one still.
 
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Honestly the majority of reasonable Americans also are extremely confused how we ended up as these 2 as our options. It's ridiculous but theres nothing I can do about it.

I wouldn't trust an 80 year old to do practically anything yet here is one trying to become president again. Then Trump I mean nothing much needs to be said about why hes a terrible candidate, it's sad that he is even allowed to be one still.
Maybe it’s time for a 3rd party to emerge . “the Reasonable Party”, that sounds good. People who actually want to get shit done …
 
Maybe it’s time for a 3rd party to emerge . “the Reasonable Party”, that sounds good. People who actually want to get shit done …
Duverger’s Law makes this more or less impossible.

The only possible change would be the end of one of the major parties. But enough Americans support both that that’s not happening.
 
Duverger’s Law makes this more or less impossible.
Nothing to do with Duverger's law - the two parties in the US have intentionally locked all other parties out through more than a century of gerrymandering and throwing up roadblocks to keep additional parties out of the race.

U.S. congressional elections are the most uncompetitive in the world outside of outright dictatorships - 98 percent of congressional seats are held by incumbents thanks to gerrymandering. In the most recent senate elections, every single incumbent who ran for reelection won. 100% of them.

A third party member wants to run for a seat? They need roughly 70,000 signatures to register in Pennsylvania- as opposed to a Dem/Rep needing 2,000. In Georgia, they need 5% of the registered voting base... so to get a third party candidate registered for governor or president there, they need 250,000 signatures. Some states like Oklahoma simply don't allow them to be listed.
 
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Full disclosure: I hate to see Trump re-elected.

Would like to see Nikki Haley elected. Best opportunity to turn the page on 8 years of polarizing and disfunctionality. Question is how she could win the primaries. She could run with slogans like: a vote for Trump is a vote for Biden. And 4 more years of chaos. It is time to turn a page. For a renewed and stronger America.

And if she would win the primaries, advocate for an inclusive administration to win over some democrat voters.
 
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Full disclosure: I hate to see Trump re-elected.

Would like to see Nikki Haley elected. Best opportunity to turn the page on 8 years of polarizing and disfunctionality. Question is how she could win the primaries. She could run with slogans like: a vote for Trump is a vote for Biden. And 4 more years of chaos. It is time to turn a page. For a renewed and stronger America.

And if she would win the primaries, advocate for an inclusive administration to win over some democrat voters.

I've decided to basically abandon my current public service venture and go all-balls into a new for-profit project so I'm back in Camp GOP and I'll be pulling an "R" ballot to vote for Nikki Haley in the caucuses. That said, it really wasn't that hard of a choice. Even if I was still dependent on the "D" public funding gravy train rolling on through 2028, I couldn't, in good conscience, vote for an incapacitated, clearly senile old man. And believe me, I have a number of very good friends in his admin who are going to lose very good jobs when he's gone, but this abject failure of governance (4-million unscreened, undocumented illegals have flooded the U.S., assisted and encouraged by our own DHS, under the Biden Admin's watch) needs to end. The DNC has quietly snuffed out Gavin Newsom's ploy to snatch the nomination, and nobody in his/her right fucking mind is going to run Kamala Harris, so that's just about it on the "D" side of things. If you're on the "R" side, you've got Trump, Haley and Desantis. Trump, who is now promising to be " a dictator" but "ONLY FOR ONE DAY," among all the other ridiculous shit he's spouting as of late (and he really is out of fucking control), and then that absolute piece of shit leading Flori-DUH riding his coattails. Really, I don't see any feasible choice except for Nikki Haley.

On a side note, today's polling from within Iowa shows Haley finally edging out Desantis for 2nd place, which should be quite significant since Desantis was endorsed by that shit-kicker Iowa governor and was enjoying a wide lead until this week. Haley is within three points of Trump in NH. But that still doesn't matter when Trump is still enjoying a double-digit lead nationally.

For those asking, HOW THE FUCK DID WE END UP HERE??? I suppose the basic answer is that both sides got lazy and/or complacent. The Democrats can blame themselves for the dumpster fire on their end. Obama warned the DNC not to allow Joe Biden to get the nomination. David Axelrod warned the DNC not to allow Joe Biden to get the nomination. Even the Clinton camp, still butt-hurt from 2016, was warning against running Joe Biden. But run that fucker they did, and on top of that they let the radical 22yo women's studies majors on his campaign team choose a running mate with based solely on skin color and gender, who then in turn chose the absolute stupidest, most useless, most damaged and hated black woman in national politics.

The GOP/RNC, to their credit, was a little more intelligent and proactive. As soon as Jan 6th hit, Nikki Haley was basically coronated as the 2024 nominee by the top RNC officials and national hacks began laying the groundwork. The problem was everyone got lazy and assumed that Trump was done and would just go away--just like we did back in 2016 after the pussy grabbing debacle. Once again, he proved us wrong, and here he is again promising "bedlam" and riots if anyone tries to "steal" the election from him again.

And the sad part is, realistically, we're headed for a re-do of 2020, with Trump VS Biden, only this time Biden is polling well below Trump and dropping, seemingly, by the week.

I'm not one of these dickless, hyperventilating leftist millionaires that promises to move to Canada if [enter name of Republican here] wins and then, of course, never does, so I'm going to do my civic duty and cast my vote for Haley in the upcoming caucus. If she somehow manages to beat out Trump then great, I'll have something to do on election day. If not, and DJT is on the ballot, for the first time in my adult life I might just skip voting and spend Election Day doing something more meaningful, like jogging, masturbating or drinking Kirkland seltzers at my desk while ordering shit on Amazon.
 
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I've decided to basically abandon my current public service venture and go all-balls into a new for-profit project so I'm back in Camp GOP and I'll be pulling an "R" ballot to vote for Nikki Haley in the caucuses. That said, it really wasn't that hard of a choice. Even if I was still dependent on the "D" public funding gravy train rolling on through 2028, I couldn't, in good conscience, vote for an incapacitated, clearly senile old man. And believe me, I have a number of very good friends in his admin who are going to lose very good jobs when he's gone, but this abject failure of governance (4-million unscreened, undocumented illegals have flooded the U.S., assisted and encouraged by our own DHS, under the Biden Admin's watch) needs to end. The DNC has quietly snuffed out Gavin Newsom's ploy to snatch the nomination, and nobody in his/her right fucking mind is going to run Kamala Harris, so that's just about it on the "D" side of things. If you're on the "R" side, you've got Trump, Haley and Desantis. Trump, who is now promising to be " a dictator" but "ONLY FOR ONE DAY," among all the other ridiculous shit he's spouting as of late (and he really is out of fucking control), and then that absolute piece of shit leading Flori-DUH riding his coattails. Really, I don't see any feasible choice except for Nikki Haley.

On a side note, today's polling from within Iowa shows Haley finally edging out Desantis for 2nd place, which should be quite significant since Desantis was endorsed by that shit-kicker Iowa governor and was enjoying a wide lead until this week. Haley is within three points of Trump in NH. But that still doesn't matter when Trump is still enjoying a double-digit lead nationally.

For those asking, HOW THE FUCK DID WE END UP HERE??? I suppose the basic answer is that both sides got lazy and/or complacent. The Democrats can blame themselves for the dumpster fire on their end. Obama warned the DNC not to allow Joe Biden to get the nomination. David Axelrod warned the DNC not to allow Joe Biden to get the nomination. Even the Clinton camp, still butt-hurt from 2016, was warning against running Joe Biden. But run that fucker they did, and on top of that they let the radical 22yo women's studies majors on his campaign team choose a running mate with based solely on skin color and gender, who then in turn chose the absolute stupidest, most useless, most damaged and hated black woman in national politics.

The GOP/RNC, to their credit, was a little more intelligent and proactive. As soon as Jan 6th hit, Nikki Haley was basically coronated as the 2024 nominee by the top RNC officials and national hacks began laying the groundwork. The problem was everyone got lazy and assumed that Trump was done and would just go away--just like we did back in 2016 after the pussy grabbing debacle. Once again, he proved us wrong, and here he is again promising "bedlam" and riots if anyone tries to "steal" the election from him again.

And the sad part is, realistically, we're headed for a re-do of 2016, with Trump VS Biden, only this time Biden is polling well below Trump and dropping, seemingly, by the week.

I'm not one of these dickless, hyperventilating leftist millionaires that promises to move to Canada if [enter name of Republican here] wins and then, of course, never does, so I'm going to do my civic duty and cast my vote for Haley in the upcoming caucus. If she somehow manages to beat out Trump then great, I'll have something to do on election day. If not, and DJT is on the ballot, for the first time in my adult life I might just skip voting and spend Election Day doing something more meaningful, like jogging, masturbating or drinking Kirkland seltzers at my desk while ordering shit on Amazon.
I see that you are aging well and becoming a much more reasonable man. Congrats.
 
I see that you are aging well and becoming a much more reasonable man. Congrats.

And I see I've successfully baited you back into my thread. Kristi Noem says hello!

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I'm all with @Babaram. Why in the hell is this 'discussed' here?

Tokyo Adult Guide - US Elections. Are there also elections in Bulgaria? Nigeria? Venezuela? Germany? Greenland? Did is miss any of the other 100++ countries.
Pretty much as interested in those as in the US ones, here in this forum!
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... we want pussy!
 
Why in the hell is this 'discussed' here?
Better to keep it contained in a single thread than popping up like gophers all over the place.
 
"Hmm, should I vote for the conservative that's pro-corporation or the serial rapist that shares his daydreams about fucking his daughter. Decisions, decisions, decisions."

Glad discussion is limited to this thread cause even that feels like too much. There's crazy fucking in Japan, then there's fucking crazy in the US. So I'm gonna limit most my energy to other discussions.
 
We apparently have some new people around here, so I'll say it again... this is the one single general politics thread that is allowed. If you don't want to see it, ignore it.
Otherwise, please do not post here to complain or question it's existence. As I've stated before, it's meant to be a catch-all for these types of posts and thus preventing it form spreading to other parts of the site.

It's not going away. Sorry if that isn't PC enough or whatever the fashionable term is these days.
 
The leaders of the two major political parties in the USA seem to enjoy their effective duopoly. Guess it’s something that they can agree on.

Third/minor parties and independent candidates generally don’t stand a chance. Presumably that’s why DJT decided on mounting a hostile takeover of the GOP a few years ago rather than setting up the “Trump Party.”
 
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The leaders of the two major political parties in the USA seem to enjoy their effective duopoly. Guess it’s something that they can agree on.

Third/minor parties and independent candidates generally don’t stand a chance. Presumably that’s why DJT decided on mounting a hostile takeover of the GOP a few years ago rather than setting up the “Trump Party.”
Problem with most 3rd parties in the US is most think they need to run for president instead of doing the hard work and create a party that has members in local and state elected positions.

At a national level, would be great if they unlocked the house numbers and use the Wyoming rule so there's more house seats with even representation. Then more states should do what Alaska showed works and move to have a ranked choice for the top 4 primary and the general. The senate and presidency are fucked, but that national popular vote interstate compact can at least make voting for president a de facto popular vote without an amendment. The senate's been fucked since the 1880s when they added a bunch of low population states to pack the senate. That can't be unfucked without an amendment that is the only type that requires all 50 states to pass.
 
Problem with most 3rd parties in the US is most think they need to run for president instead of doing the hard work and create a party that has members in local and state elected positions.

That may be true for most of the third-party camps that have emerged during the last two decades, but certain parties--like the Libertarian Party--have at least tried pretty hard to field candidates at state/municipal and then federal levels over the past few election cycles, at least in the states I've lived in. The main issue was that those candidates were usually just far too fucking strange or outright crazy to ever win, almost all were single-issue campaigns (like marijuana legalization) and because they were getting guidance from an unorganized, inexperienced group like LP, they never had a chance and certainly no fundraising network. In my opinion, the problem with third-party groups is that they almost always, at least on a federal level, exist to serve as spoilers who know they aren't going to win and just want to torpedo the D or R candidates and raise hell. That's all good and fair but isn't going to attract major donors...and, unfortunately, that's what it takes to win in America.

When I moved back stateside in 2009, I was so disgusted with Obama and also with the McCain campaign, Sarah Palin in particular, that I registered as a Libertarian. And then I started getting all their silly, misguided, idiotic and just plain fucking stupid literature in the mail and went crawling back to the GOP. At the end of the day, I'm a gun nut who likes low taxes and to be left alone to do whatever I please. In 2016, not willing to honor DJT with my vote after turning the election into a fucking circus and also assuming Hillary would win, I voted for LP Gary Johnson as a protest vote--I later saw that fucking moron on Conan O'Brien's channel with Triumph the Insult Comic Dog and hated myself for doing that.

Lesson learned? Stop voting with ideals. Vote with your wallet and selfish interests.
 
Just got my mail-in ballots, and while the options aren't exactly exciting, I prefer the status quo just enough to want to see them continue until the next election. Split-ticket for the closest thing we had to a socialist party down-ballot so that they don't get too comfortable