The Yoshiwara Soapland Resource Thread

[MikeH]

1) langauge barrier, make effort to put in.
2) skin/culture different, may find customer 'unbearable'.
3) or Japanese customer is more easy? 15minutes sex.

Any and/or all of the above.

+ many country have higher std rated than Japan so more risk in meeting tourists from those countries.

Well, if someone finds my skin colour unbearable or categorise me as a possible STD carrier I really don't see how that becomes better if I pay more.

Anyways, for me this is more academical discussion as I categorically refuse to patronise any shop that charges me more just because of the lack of colour in my skin.

 

[jhingy567]

I find it slightly less hurtful when they are at least consistent in applying the same tax to all of us filthy gaijin - white, black, yellow or brown.

 

[User#8628]

I find it slightly less hurtful when they are at least consistent in applying the same tax to all of us filthy gaijin - white, black, yellow or brown.

I've never heard of a place that charges more for certain races.
Some places/girl might refuse certain races because they think it they have bigger dicks or diseases or they simply don't like them.

And i mean, medicines are expensive, so extra money would matter if there is an extra chance at diseases.

 

[jhingy567]

I've never heard of a place that charges more for certain races.

Oh that's good to hear.
I kinda also meant where the gaijintax is set in stone with no discounts possible for anyone (not even ah toh). Like what Satin Doll does.

 

[MikeH]

I've never heard of a place that charges more for certain races.

Not in Japan but for example in Singapore that is common.

And I would bet many of the places in Japan charge gaijin tax just because they can. There are less options for white boys and so the thinking probably is why would we not charge more if we can?

 

[Sudsy]

I've never heard of a place that charges more for certain races.

Yep, usually it's just outright refusal.

 

[ah toh]

seem like some of the girls frm aile dore has cross over to 女帝 .jyotei.
the sop was revamp/reopen last week, one tout was previous frm aile dore, he noe me, he make a offer to me(he was the one promise me 1/2 price when the jav cnt handle me and stop one hour before) but last week only 1-2 girls joined the shop only, so i declined thou he always offer good price to me.
the price have seem to gone up after revamp, i saw the tag outside like 90k 120min(soap fee same as aile dore 30k), they oso offer 180min,

 

[luddington]

Guys I have a overnight layover in HND airport But I don't arrive till 9pm thinking if all goes well i can get to Yoshiwara by 11pm can anyone give advise if any of the soapland spots still take customers in at that time? According to my finding they all close at midnight.....Any responds would be appreciated

 

[ur19877]

Guys I have a overnight layover in HND airport But I don't arrive till 9pm thinking if all goes well i can get to Yoshiwara by 11pm can anyone give advise if any of the soapland spots still take customers in at that time? According to my finding they all close at midnight.....Any responds would be appreciated

You said any response...so I will give you one..
What you are trying to accomplish may be impossible (though not theoretically impossible)..
You have some factors agaisnt you
1. Location from HND to Yoshiwara
2. Cost of taking a taxi, which you will probably need to do..
3. Limited options due to time of night and being a foreigner..

But sounds something like I would do, so good luck.

 

[ah toh]

Go to one quiet corner, close your eyes, and slowly rub yourself to sleep.
soapland, dun do it just for the sake of doing it, dun rush things, u will nvr enjoy and will not have good memorable experience.
esp, your flight journey, you will feel fatigue, your performance will be worst.
always have some energy restore before you go there, enough sleep, feel energy, have a energy drink or coffee first, if you going for a good sex.

my advise, save your money.
plan a trip nxt time

 

[ah toh]

most of all, i dun tink u can make it.

 

[Goshogawara]

most of all, i dun tink u can make it.

He can get there around 22.30 if the immigration isn't too crowded, but the soaplands of yoshiwara have to conclude business by midnight so the time would be very limited.

 

[Sudsy]

Yeah, that time frame, you’re not really going to get anywhere with Yoshiwara. You’ll get there by 23:00 if you’re lucky, and the shops close at midnight.

You’d do better arranging incall to your hotel.

 

[ah toh]

He can get there around 22.30 if the immigration isn't too crowded, but the soaplands of yoshiwara have to conclude business by midnight so the time would be very limited.

u can only expect girls dat r working late hours, no waiting customers and short hours course
tis is wat i meant cnt make it

 

[honko2018]

Hello guys,

first timer to visit a soapland, but very accustomed to Japan and the language, just never looked at them except now.

I keep reading reviews in which ladies seem to more than often start doing BBBJ and even CIM without any question. Is this practise normal ? \ rubbing your cock against a pussy unprotected as well seems to rise up in talks.

Thank you for your answers and for a very resourceful page !

 

[Hofmeyer]

Condom use for oral sex has increased slightly in the last few years but bareback BJ's and CIM still remain the norm.

 

[Ken1988]

back to the point of 10k tax.
how is the 10k justify, shop or customer.
shop justify one way, customer justify another way.

shop may think that 10k is for 'difficult' customer, i find myself being good or even better.
what make a 'difficult' customer
1) langauge barrier, make effort to put in.
2) skin/culture different, may find customer 'unbearable'.
3) or Japanese customer is more easy? 15minutes sex.
i make 90 minutes sex, haha.

so tax become something like trade barrier, trade protectionism now we facing.
we want a free market?
well, competition will naturally fix the price, only if someone can stand Prestige,however, at bad times, even brand stuff will not surivie at high pricing.

talking about high end shops like 75k-77k, does it really quality assurances? money back guarantee? if i find the product is not what i want, can i have my money back.
even if services suck, least i expect the girl i choose , her look is what i want.
And when i see the girl, i said to myself 'who are you'(haha).
so i still find 10k discount is a better marketing strategy, bcos even the high end 75-77k will not guarantee the girl you wanted for.

@User#8628 has explained it already, but I am not sure if you understand the fee structure of a soap - bathing fee for the shop and service fee for the girl, usually in the ratio of 1 to 2. With all my respect to your experience and expertise, I would like to point out several points.

A shop has to deal with two markets. One with the girls and the other with the clients. There are interconnected two markets the shop tries to match to maximize its profits. As Alice explained, some girls are reluctant to play with non-Japanese clients. I know this is a result of blatant racial prejudice because even those girls are OK to take any Japanese even if he is a full of shit. Even in this setting, some shops want to make more girls available to a wider client base including non-Japanese, overcoming the difficulties. The gaijin tax works as an incentive for the providers' side, which makes more girls available for a wider client base, and ultimately improves the profit.

Also, I have to point out that a discount is given basically for "free clients (those who don't nominate in advance)" who are available for girls not busy or even unpopular. Having a girl redundant, just waiting for clients in the waiting room in a shop, is costly for both the shop and the girl. Many local mongers do not walk up to Yoshiwara and negotiate. They usually book in advance to get complimentary shuttle services from train stations nearby, say, Nippori or Minowa or Ueno, even if they don't nominate any. Some of them are motivated to find girls they want to repeat. Truly popular girls are very difficult to book for first-timers.

As I understand, the best strategy for a shop is to retain popular girls and repeating clients. There is no incentive for a shop to give a discount in the way you wish to be.

 

[ah toh]

@User#8628 has explained it already, but I am not sure if you understand the fee structure of a soap - bathing fee for the shop and service fee for the girl, usually in the ratio of 1 to 2. With all my respect to your experience and expertise, I would like to point out several points.

A shop has to deal with two markets. One with the girls and the other with the clients. There are interconnected two markets the shop tries to match to maximize its profits. As Alice explained, some girls are reluctant to play with non-Japanese clients. I know this is a result of blatant racial prejudice because even those girls are OK to take any Japanese even if he is a full of shit. Even in this setting, some shops want to make more girls available to a wider client base including non-Japanese, overcoming the difficulties. The gaijin tax works as an incentive for the providers' side, which makes more girls available for a wider client base, and ultimately improves the profit.

Also, I have to point out that a discount is given basically for "free clients (those who don't nominate in advance)" who are available for girls not busy or even unpopular. Having a girl redundant, just waiting for clients in the waiting room in a shop, is costly for both the shop and the girl. Many local mongers do not walk up to Yoshiwara and negotiate. They usually book in advance to get complimentary shuttle services from train stations nearby, say, Nippori or Minowa or Ueno, even if they don't nominate any. Some of them are motivated to find girls they want to repeat. Truly popular girls are very difficult to book for first-timers.

As I understand, the best strategy for a shop is to retain popular girls and repeating clients. There is no incentive for a shop to give a discount in the way you wish to be.

actually i am the one who bring out all the points.
is a different btn knowing and agreeing to it.
i just went last wk,i have exceeded total 50 visits,e place to me is my playground

 

[ah toh]

always be prepare when u go there, else u will be jerk off by e girl very soon.
last wk i screw one ex-jav, i ask she ok or not(end of sex) she said no ok.
sex start after clothes off till almost time to final wash up, with 2 *5-10mins break
but she is good, and she had a gd time frm her expression after sex

 

[ah toh]

actually i am the one who bring out all the points.
is a different btn knowing and agreeing to it.
i just went last wk,i have exceeded total 50 visits,e place to me is my playground

well ,alice brought up the std points, valid points
but quite ironically
Japanese commonly feel std is a imported disese
so if they call for her, they shld ask for 10k discount frm her
haha, just joking

 

[User#8628]

@User#8628 has explained it already, but I am not sure if you understand the fee structure of a soap - bathing fee for the shop and service fee for the girl, usually in the ratio of 1 to 2. With all my respect to your experience and expertise, I would like to point out several points.

A shop has to deal with two markets. One with the girls and the other with the clients. There are interconnected two markets the shop tries to match to maximize its profits. As Alice explained, some girls are reluctant to play with non-Japanese clients. I know this is a result of blatant racial prejudice because even those girls are OK to take any Japanese even if he is a full of shit. Even in this setting, some shops want to make more girls available to a wider client base including non-Japanese, overcoming the difficulties. The gaijin tax works as an incentive for the providers' side, which makes more girls available for a wider client base, and ultimately improves the profit.

Also, I have to point out that a discount is given basically for "free clients (those who don't nominate in advance)" who are available for girls not busy or even unpopular. Having a girl redundant, just waiting for clients in the waiting room in a shop, is costly for both the shop and the girl. Many local mongers do not walk up to Yoshiwara and negotiate. They usually book in advance to get complimentary shuttle services from train stations nearby, say, Nippori or Minowa or Ueno, even if they don't nominate any. Some of them are motivated to find girls they want to repeat. Truly popular girls are very difficult to book for first-timers.

As I understand, the best strategy for a shop is to retain popular girls and repeating clients. There is no incentive for a shop to give a discount in the way you wish to be.

Yes, I definitely think shops are most generous in the way the split up the payment, especially compared to delivery health. I think this is to imply that the girls working at soaplands are independent therapists and are not controlled by the shop's bosses. Of course, with some delivery health, the girls regularly get tipped and can keep all the tips themselves, and with soapland the girl actually has to pay roomrent and money for the drinks and stuff to the shop.

I think there are definitely good reasons for girls to not want to see foreigners. Disease risk, bigger build and liking longer rounds (i did not notice this with the average Chinese guy though so Ah To is particularly blessed, but this could be applied to white and black people), communication issues or not sticking to the routine. Like some guy posted in another forum for wanting multiple pops in a 30 minutes course but that would be impossible with the soapland script unless popping in one minute pre planned and the girl is generous and wants you to have more good time.
The script in expensive soaplands is: introduction and showly the girl undresses the guy in a submissive way (this alone takes over 10 minutes) shoku play before shower (some girls insist on showers with foreigners though :S), wash on chair and take bath, mat play and round 2 on mat, have drinks, if there is time and the mood is right, a round 3. Rounds take about 10-15 minutes. Mat play plus round of mat and clean up takes like 40 minutes is my guess.
In cheap soapland, there is first chairwash shower and bath (this can be around 15-20 minutes) then bed play. So multiple pop in 30 minutes unlikely.
Sure, some girls dont mind going off routine, many girl think mat play is tiring and can do more bed play if they are in good condition there. And maybe foreigner tourists just want to experience mat play and are fine to let the girl set the phase. And many foreigners who speak Japanese know the drill. But there is always that worry.

You can't say that "girls are willing to accept Japanese customers if they are full of shit". Maybe the girls really don't want to see guys with a big size or who don't follow the script and have high demands, but they can not know this beforehand. Of course they cant know about foreigners either but there is a higher risk foreigners will be build bigger or be rougher in bed so they don't want to take the risk. Or many they don't like the way foreigners look. Lots of guys on here are talking shit about how girls who are not Japanese look and are willing to pay a premium for Japanese: there you have it.

Gaijin tax is done so more girls are willing to get out of their comfort zone and so the shop can offer more girls to the customers. Yes, of course its not a fun thought that the girls don't prefer you, but you are already paying money to sweeten the deal after all.

 

[MikeH]

I am repeating myself but I don't really believe the tax is because girls don't want to serve foreigners. For example in delivery health I haven't met anyone who would have cared as long as you speak the language.

The difference with soapland is other girls and people, maybe even customers will see and know that girl is serving foreigners. That might hurt her money making chances later if Japanese customers don't want to book one that is stretched beyond belief.

 

[ah toh]

tis girl , if not wrong, is/was nanao frm tiara, now moved to moulin.
http://www.m-rouge.com/pc/profile.php?id=rei4

they offer me b4 70k during my previous last 2-3 trip but i pick someone else tink isすず , last trip i was thinking of getting her, but somehow nvr insist to.
now i have to pay 5k more on the nxt trip to get her.

btw, moulin soaproom is very big, tube + mat still got lot of empty space left.
some shops the soaproom is small, u will the find the space is just enough for the mat.

 

[Hofmeyer]

Speaking of large rooms, Love Corp is shockingly big for how small the building looks. I forgot to mention that in my review a while back. It's easily twice the size of most other places I've been.

 

[mizuki7]

Haven't been to Japan for years and my Japanese is rusty. Used to be able to fool people but they can almost tell within seconds of talking.

Tried calling a shop, and while my reservation went through, he asked me are you really Japanese? 3 times. And I insisted that I am Japanese.

Now I'm not sure whether I should go or not....