Dating Apps I Recommend (2014-2015)

[majimekun]

Recently, I've tested (extensively) all the dating applications I could find, and I can tell you that I've ended up deleting 90% of them.

Here is my selection (mastering the japanese language is necessary for most of them) :

1. iPair
All in Japanese, very little scam and lots of genuine profiles.
Good UI.
Could find a good sexfriend and also found a potential girlfriend (who will spend the whole weekend with me).
Costs some money but it's a very good investment.

2. Waplog (not the other one called "Waplog Match")
Lots of profiles looking for serious relationships.
UI is not too bad.
Free of charge

3. MeetMe
Profiles mostly from Philipinos (not my cup of tea) who look for serious relationships
A lot of them don't understand Japanese ... so, handy for the ones who want to communicate in English.
Good UI
Free of charge

4. ニコニコメール
Only Japanese women, not so many profiles.
Can be checked only once a week.
Could find a single mother who wanted some action but never met in the end.
Also found a freelance sexworker who proposed only 10000 yen for a two hours service at your place (but too ugly ahaha).
Not so good UI
Free of charge

5. BeeTalk
Not really a dating app. A Line-like app with profiles search functionality largely used by Vietnamese/Chinese/Thais, etc..
Very young ladies here, mostly language students. Mostly very conservative girls.
English can be used.
Good UI
Free of charge

6. WeChat
Not really a dating app. A Line-like app with profiles search functionality largely used by the Chinese and the Koreans
Mostly very conservative girls .. which explains why I wasn't lucky with this one (I was only looking for sexfriends this time).
English can be used.
Good UI
Free of charge

That's it.
All the other apps I've tried were total junk .... so don't bother

 

[anpanman]

You forgot to add "skout"

 

[majimekun]

You forgot to add "skout"

Hi,

I clearly remember that SKOUT was one of the first App I've tried ... but part from that, all I remember is that I deleted it pretty quickly.

 

[Raddict]

Skout can be quite annoying, but I've met 3 from there and was in a love hotel the same day eith one, and 2nd meeting wigh the other, both Japanese.

 

[Tokyo1447]

Ok so I read this post early this morning... Results

Waplog:
If you are into p4p hell yea all the profiles are that style almost are asking you to to search them on some site.
(My opinion all fake)

After 8 hours I had about 15 looks for "actual" people all 2-3's

Zero chats zero interest

Next I tried
SKOUT:7

Omg fun
8hrs 2 single dates 1 married date

At least 8-10 actual conversations

Married girl even taught about the fake girls on the site that just have fun edging sex talk from older guys lol (normal but hey some random girl asked me to be careful... Thank you!)

I refuse to use the pay sites because there are too many free ones that do good or better.

It's a numbers game!
Why pay for trial~

I'll post more details if wanted
Cheers

 

[NormalGuy]

Did you try Japan Ichiban, and what were your thoughts? Not signed up to one yet, but beginning to think it's the way to go, Roppongi seemed a nightmare last year, and went into the Hub in Ikebukuro on Sunday and left after drinking half my point, far too loud and as a lone gaijin not very open to striking up conversations.

I do fine in conversations with people in quieter bars, and make friends easily, but tend to get friend zoned early on as I try to be a nice guy as sometimes it's just nice to have a bar to drink in.

I have some language skills, but as a 46 year old male I'm open to a long term relationships, but at the moment even a kiss would make me smile.

 

[Alice Anjal]

Yes You forgot to add skout

 

[Solong]

I think I've tried SKOUT before and deleted it. Maybe this is a new and improved version. A bit Tinder like, and definitely more so than I remember.

1) Problem is there are a LOT of NO INFO profiles. Even things like height or weight isn't filled out. So you get into a situation very similar to Tinder. Like your picture or not. Extreme superficiality and air-heads, who hide and lie about hooking up and sex. I'm down for the game and sex, just annoying not to be able to filter for women you want (no profile info) or playing with silly chicks and scammers.

2) Also, Tinder is free, where SKOUT tries to get some cash.

SKOUT hits you with a lot of nickel and dime bullshit, cheap prices, but it has a scammish feel to it. Like they decided not to just go for monthly subscriptions, as much as constant notifications for little bits of money.

3) Distance information on SKOUT is very weird. Like with some people and for example, they have England on their profile, but show up in my filter for near Tokyo.

4) A lot of fake looking profiles.

Women taking pictures that look: professional, look like they are from inside a hostess bar, Filipinas (says a lot by itself), on the bed or wearing weird lingerie, etc...

5) Prostitution

P4P women pretending to be normal women, then trying to get cash. Hate when P4P misrepresent themselves like this. More scamming and scammers.

 

[Solong]

iPair seems scammish. Can anybody else give a review of it?

 

[Vulkan]

iPair seems scammish. Can anybody else give a review of it?

I agree, I havent setup a proper picture yet but I received a dozen of matches and chats which contents are not viewable for free.

 

[trueplaya]

in my opinion, online dating has really gone down hill. it used to be easy to get dates on japan cupid or world friends, but now they simply don't have enough members. location-based services like tinder and skout are a massive waste of time. okcupid got a lot of media attention overseas, but it just doesn't seem to work here. match.com is still ok if you want a serious relationship, but if you are looking for hook ups, it is actually more efficient to talk to ladies wherever you go than it is to sit around playing with dating apps on your mobile phone.

 

[majimekun]

I agree, I havent setup a proper picture yet but I received a dozen of matches and chats which contents are not viewable for free.

I never said it was a free app.
There are a few girls on this app who ask for paid sex, and there also are taiwanese girls who write to you in Chinese out of nowhere BUT there are lots of decent japanese girls too.

I've found my current girlfriend (18yo) on this app and I've found other girls before her.

Seriously, you'll find scams on every dating app.
Even JapanCupid and Tinder have scammy profiles now.
It's just a matter of quantity.

The apps I've listed are above the rest in my opinion.

 

[majimekun]

in my opinion, online dating has really gone down hill. it used to be easy to get dates on japan cupid or world friends, but now they simply don't have enough members. location-based services like tinder and skout are a massive waste of time. okcupid got a lot of media attention overseas, but it just doesn't seem to work here. match.com is still ok if you want a serious relationship, but if you are looking for hook ups, it is actually more efficient to talk to ladies wherever you go than it is to sit around playing with dating apps on your mobile phone.

I kind of agree but, in Japan, hookups are also possible if you start as a mere friend first, and then have the girl trust you enough so that she can accept a sexfriend-like relationship.

Lastly, to be honest, the truly good looking girls don't use these apps. If they do, it's mainly for money.
The laziest ones would do anything for money, really.
One (24yo) was even ready to try anal sex for the first time with a total stranger like me for maybe 2man.
I didn't go further though.

 

[Solong]

I kind of agree but, in Japan, hookups are also possible if you start as a mere friend first, and then have the girl trust you enough so that she can accept a sexfriend-like relationship.

Lastly, to be honest, the truly good looking girls don't use these apps. If they do, it's mainly for money.
The laziest ones would do anything for money, really.
One (24yo) was even ready to try anal sex for the first time with a total stranger like me for maybe 2man.
I didn't go further though.

The social circle route, is very plus and minus too, in my opinion.

I consider social circles and friend introduction as just another tool, equal to and not better than, sarging/nampa or online dating.

a) Better if you are already popular, money/good position in the company, or better than average looking. No escaping the reality of this.

b) Gossiping and rumors can make or break you. Have a chic or dude successfully talk shit about you and smear your name, and it can kill you in that particular circle. One week "your the man", next week "you are crap". Ups and downs.

c) You may have to go through being judged by cock-blocking friends. Bullshit, that a person may not want to deal with.

d) Sheeple mentality. Being pressured by the group to do things, hang out, or tagging along when you don't want to.

e) Guy may get friend-zoned or stuck as an orbiter for weeks to months.

f) Doesn't stop the female from having other sex-friends or breaking the relationship off. To include blaming you and smear your name.

h) Lots of possible wasted time and effort socializing, that goes nowhere, when online or sarging/nampa could have got faster results.

I) Being introduced to no personality, no fun, fat, or ugly friends and pressured to accept that. A reason why people jump out of circles and try other methods, both men and women.

 

[Solong]

Tinder

It's ridiculous, but many Japanese women using it are clueless about the purpose of Tinder, or think us guys are about their purpose on it.

They think it's Childish Cinderella Lying Fake Virgin Perfect Guy Match. Hello? Anything in that skull?

Met a woman from Tinder today that spent 2 hours trying to convince me that she isn't "that type of girl". I was just amazed that she thought I was believing any of the "pure virgin girl never did online dating before" bullshit she kept spewing.

We went to the hotel anyway. Best of all, "You have condoms?" "Ah yeah." "OK, let's go." Was very difficult to keep a straight face and not fall out laughing.

It's 2014, soon 2015. Ah yes, women enjoy sex too. Do your thing ladies, and stop lying or being so fake.

 

[Vulkan]

Met a woman from Tinder today that spent 2 hours trying to convince me that she isn't "that type of girl". I was just amazed that she thought I was believing any of the "pure virgin girl never did online dating before" bullshit she kept spewing.

We went to the hotel anyway. Best of all, "You have condoms?" "Ah yeah." "OK, let's go." Was very difficult to keep a straight face and not fall out laughing.

Curious to hear how you made this happen if you don't mind sharing.
Also, did you speak in japanese with her?

 

[Solong]

Curious to hear how you made this happen if you don't mind sharing.
Also, did you speak in japanese with her?

Yes, I can speak and type decent Japanese, but in her case it wasn't so necessary. We communicated in English on Tinder and LINE, BUT we spoke mainly Japanese when we met (70% Japanese and 30% English).

Her English wasn't as good in person, as it was in messages online, so she was probably using a translation tool. This happens a lot with Japanese women, but it's a mixed situation. I meet Japanese women at all kinds of language ability levels.

I use Google Translate too for Kanji to Romaji, as spares me the headache and is quick. However in the reverse from English to Japanese, you need to have a basic understanding of Japanese to fix the grammar and keep to simple sentences.

Tinder is random, like playing slots. Even more so than other online date apps. When you get a match on Tinder, you then want to get her to LINE, Facebook, e-mail, etc...

This is because many women on Tinder suffer from ADHD. Their attention span is very small. They can be getting other matches and then will unmatch you. Like a cat with a new toy. So you want to take the exchange out of Tinder and to something a little more stable.

From e-mail or LINE, you would setup a date. Give some options. This Wednesday or Friday? If not those days, can you suggest a day?

Once we agree on the day, then I pick the location. In this case, Meguro. Though I have a number of many other spots. I always check out places in advance and are near hotels.

I also take into consideration as to where she lives, and will sometimes meet in the middle of between our locations. Make sure it's NOT a spot of where she works, lives, or commonly hangs out. The more that she thinks friends, co-workers, or family will see her, the more paranoid and less likely she is to have sex.

We hung out at a "British theme" bar. If you know Meguro then you likely know where it is, but I don't want everybody bum rushing my spots.

Then it was about escalating from there. Even though she tried to convince me that she was an almost virgin Cinderella, I ignored her bullshit. This is because many women are double-minded and/or hypocritical. Say one thing, but do or want to do another.

We were talking about sex, in that indirect way that I get into it, and she ended up talking about her ex-boyfriend. I was telling stories about finding out my ex-girlfriend was bi-sexual, and then she was giving me stories about how bad her ex-boyfriend was at sex. He was too quick, so she couldn't cum.

Then it became like I was a sex counselor. I get into that position a lot, and there is a lot of reasons why. It's how we get into talking about sex, if I'm older than her, how she views me, etc... I don't over do it, but use it as a chance to inject sexual imagery in the context of our conversation. I talked about how men learn to last longer, how if a guy cums early that he can still make her cum with his fingers, etc... I then jumped off the subject and start talking about NON-sexual topics, BUT was hugging her (arm around the shoulder/physical escalation). That moment just came, with her head on my chest, that I went for a kiss. We then began kissing... a lot.

I told her let's go somewhere else, but she didn't move. That's when she asked if I had condoms. After telling her "yeah", we were off to the hotel across the street. When we got to the hotel, she just had to add, "I never did this before." I didn't even respond to that nonsense and we went in.

 

[majimekun]

... This is because many women are double-minded and/or hypocritical. Say one thing, but do or want to do another...

I think it's way more subtle than that.
Japanese women are desperate for security (mariage) and kids. That's their top one priority.
So, they look for that first, which is the reason why they sell themselves as the pure nice girl you might want to marry in the long run.
But if they finally understand that you're not that type of guy or that you'll be only good at bringing some instant (and non-risky) fun, they then might go for plan B quite easily.
I don't find it hypocritical at all if you ask me.
It's just about priorities management.

Nice story BTW.
The soft sex talks also often work for me.
It makes the girl curious as it gives her a glimpse of what she might experience with you.
When the girls finally emits a "ii ne", then you've won your ticket

 

[Solong]

I think it's way more subtle than that.
Japanese women are desperate for security (mariage) and kids. That's their top one priority.
So, they look for that first, which is the reason why they sell themselves as the pure nice girl you might want to marry in the long run.
But if they finally understand that you're not that type of guy or that you'll be only good at bringing some instant (and non-risky) fun, they then might go for plan B quite easily.
I don't find it hypocritical at all if you ask me.
It's just about priorities management.

Nice story BTW.
The soft sex talks also often work for me.
It makes the girl curious as it gives her a glimpse of what she might experience with you.
When the girls finally emits a "ii ne", then you've won your ticket

1) We are in agreement about the soft sex talk.

Trick I've learned though is to indulge a bit, but back off or change the subject (be good at shifting gears). Like just enough to CLEARLY get her imagination and juices flowing, but NOT too much to cause an excessive defensive reaction, like you are a pervert or trying to have sex with her right away. It's a balancing act of staying in the middle.

2) Disagree about Japanese women meeting for marriage and kids, on the first date.

A) Marriage and kids would be the result of establishing a relationship. So that's the LAST step, NOT the first step. You meet, talk, sex, date for a while, live together or get engaged, and then marriage.

A woman coming at guys like that on a first date is very disingenuous, too desperate, or a bit crazy. None of which are good.

B) Women coming at guys right away like that (marriage and kids) then pushes many guys to LIE. To have sex, some guys will stoop equally low and say they love them or all kinds of false promises to sleep/sex them.

3) Women pretending to be "almost" virgin Cinderella can NEVER be believed.

A) How do we guys know what she was doing last night?

Easily she could be lying and have seen some other guy.

B) How do we know she hasn't done online dating many times before?

We CAN'T. So HER trying to make a point about how innocent and pure her being online is, looks VERY suspicious.

It's like a con-woman trying to sell you something.

C) Worse, many of these women have tremendous experience meeting guys from online, while they condemn guys for being online.

In other words, she is a bigger playgirl that has more men lined up and likely had more sexual escapades, than the average guy who is often Lotto style lucky to have got a date from online.

For men, online dating is like playing slots or Lotto. For women, it's like garanteed and a turkey shoot. It's not IF they will get a date, but often her being tired of meeting so many guys. Often the opposite problem that men have.

 

[majimekun]

A) Marriage and kids would be the result of establishing a relationship. So that's the LAST step, NOT the first step. You meet, talk, sex, date for a while, live together or get engaged, and then marriage.

Sorry but you are over-simplifying.
Their first priority is mariage/kids but, even if it's the last chronological step, that's the goal they want to achieve.
That's why they will date a guy who has the POTENTIAL to go for a mariage/family over a guy who clearly states that he isn't interested at all in building a family and being bound by contract (mariage).
Since I'm one of these guys, I know quite alot about the reactions it triggers.
Even the girls in their mid-20s plan to marry and have kids. That's a fact and all my girlfriends have lots of female friends who just did that. It's so bad that I finally had to find a GF who's 18 you know. When you ask them why they want kids, the only reply they invariably throw at my tired ears is : "because they are cute". It's that shallow.

All the girls you're shagging have a secret envy : they want to marry and have kids.
The thing is that you're absolutely not a potential partner, or they already have one or they just want to fuck.

But in your story above, the girl was obviously looking for a long term relationship with a POTENTIAL spouse.
You were lucky/smart enough to have her switch temporarily to plan B.

A woman coming at guys like that on a first date is very disingenuous, too desperate, or a bit crazy. None of which are good.

Most intelligent women keep it to themselves.
But it doesn't mean it's not in their mind.

We CAN'T. So HER trying to make a point about how innocent and pure her being online is, looks VERY suspicious.

It's called seduction and common sense.
When you look for a potential partner>spouse, you don't say that you've fucked a total stranger the night before.
Everybody try to paint a better image of themselves and the fact that you find it suspicious doesn't change anything.

but often her being tired of meeting so many guys. Often the opposite problem that men have.

Well, I'm a guy and, in the past, I have been really tired of meeting so many girls

 

[Username1]

When the girls finally emits a "ii ne", then you've won your ticket

Will be testing that theory out and hoping its accurate!

 

[Solong]

Sorry but you are over-simplifying.
Their first priority is mariage/kids but, even if it's the last chronological step, that's the goal they want to achieve.
That's why they will date a guy who has the POTENTIAL to go for a mariage/family over a guy who clearly states that he isn't interested at all in building a family and being bound by contract (mariage).
Since I'm one of these guys, I know quite alot about the reactions it triggers.
Even the girls in their mid-20s plan to marry and have kids. That's a fact and all my girlfriends have lots of female friends who just did that. It's so bad that I finally had to find a GF who's 18 you know. When you ask them why they want kids, the only reply they invariably throw at my tired ears is : "because they are cute". It's that shallow.

All the girls you're shagging have a secret envy : they want to marry and have kids.
The thing is that you're absolutely not a potential partner, or they already have one or they just want to fuck.

But in your story above, the girl was obviously looking for a long term relationship with a POTENTIAL spouse.
You were lucky/smart enough to have her switch temporarily to plan B.



Most intelligent women keep it to themselves.
But it doesn't mean it's not in their mind.



It's called seduction and common sense.
When you look for a potential partner>spouse, you don't say that you've fucked a total stranger the night before.
Everybody try to paint a better image of themselves and the fact that you find it suspicious doesn't change anything.



Well, I'm a guy and, in the past, I have been really tired of meeting so many girls

I disagree with the premise that women want to marry EVERY guy that she meets. This is a social/religious ideal/pressure that is handcuffed to women.

I think many women have an instinctual biological drive to have children, but this can be dismissed or cancelled by her intellect or personality. Though most women want children, NOT every woman.

And this instinctual urge to have children is SEPARATE from the institution of marriage, which is a man-made construct.

You might also be discounting that a woman can be interacting with MANY guys at the same time, or that she has already found a potential marriage partner or is married.

a) A woman can see herself as having many options among men, so IS looking for sex and not a relationship with a particular guy.

Guy A is for sex fun, Guy B is for marriage.

This is partially why women can SWITCH modes. From pretending to be "almost virgin" to "freak in the bed".

b) Many women are saying what they THINK a guy or OTHER women that know them wants to hear or is socially acceptable.

For many women, when it's clear the guy isn't buying into or doesn't care about the "virgin pure act", they will switch to a different mode if sexually attracted to the guy or horny.

c) Various women who are married or have boyfriends, do CHEAT and for sex. And about as OFTEN as men.

d) A woman can feel she is TOO young to get married. So she is clearly thinking of having sexual adventures now, then marriage LATER.

How many 18 to 23 year old Japanese women want to get married at that age? Some, but definitely not most or all.

And the age limit DEPENDS on the woman. It can be that a woman doesn't feel like getting "serious" until she is 30 or even "last second" 35.

e) There is no getting around that marriage is the LAST step, and not the FIRST step.

What is often happening, is that women are using the word "marriage" to disguise their sexual activity and to make it seem more virtuous. Just like many men abuse the word "love", when they want sex.

By prematurely labeling the relationship as "for possible marriage", sex can happen. But the result is often the SAME if it didn't have the label on it. They DON'T get married, and still jump from one relationship to another.

f) There are many women that engaged in primarily sexual relationships, though they disguised it by labeling it "love" or "accidents", then later seek a marriage partner ("PROVIDER").

Many women call this "getting serious". When they were in their 20s they weren't "serious" about getting married and cared just about a guy's "looks"(often also popularity), but desperately seek to get married in their 30s OR when they worry about their financial future.

Such women could of had dozens to even hundreds of sex partners. And WAY more sex than any guy they later seek to marry. Marriage, is about her finding a guy to take care of her (provider), and wasn't her primary objective when younger.

g) Sex for MONEY. Look at P4P. Those women are NOT meeting men to get married.

Clearly women CAN separate sex from love/marriage, though it's not socially acceptable for them to say so, and many women won't admit to it.

h) There are women that DON'T want children.
Consequently, they are less burdened with trying to find a male "provider"/husband, and can enjoy sex more.

 

[brutalhonesty]

What puts me off online dating, after trying a few sites is the fact that it's a no-win situation for me.

If i'm looking to get laid, i wanna make sure that I have an orgasm but it's very difficult with a new guy. And so I have to go on a few dates with him just to have good sex, but most of the guys I meet online are so boring I don't want to converse with them for too long.

On the other hand, if the guy does turn out to be a decent guy to talk to, it's likely I will end up falling for him, but a real relationship is not what he wants so it's a lost cause.

 

[Vulkan]

I dont like online dating either
A little bit off topic but:
Would you mind sharing on what you've found boring about those dates?
What can make it difficult for you to reach orgasm?

 

[brutalhonesty]

Some guys lack conversational skills altogether. They don't ask engaging questions that lead to interesting conversations, and when I ask them something, they can't offer real answers. Maybe they are doing this on purpose to avoid getting personal? But even if all I want is sex, I would like to laugh and joke around in the process, if a guy can make me laugh, it's a turn on. If the sex turns out to be just okay, at least I can say I had a good time.

Some guys have annoying habits that I usually avoid if we had met in real life, but I can't tell from their profiles. When I first meet a guy, there's an instant screening process to see if we have chemistry, but meeting guys online creates an extra step that I find tiresome.

The first time I have sex with someone, I try to figure out what the other person likes, where they like to be touched, their rhythm and so on. It's just harder for me to concentrate on only myself the first time. I guess I get distracted, trying to make sure he was having a good time as well.