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Keihan said:
If this pandemic has taught us anything, it's that you can fix stupid. The sooner these morons win their Darwin Award, the sooner this will all be over.
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The good news is he won't get in to Japan without it.
 
psd said:
The good news is he won't get in to Japan without it.
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And I'm thankful for that, believe me, but I know a lot of these jackasses. Shit, I'm related to a couple. And trust me, they've all convinced themselves that in due time Japan is going to just drop all the restrictions and vaccine requirements and they'll be free to hop on a plane and bring their entire filthy, unvaccinated tribe to Tokyo for a vacation in the next couple of months.

If you're dumb enough to be unvaccinated at this point, you're certainly dumb enough to believe such fantasies. They really just can't grasp the reality of the situation and the new world we're living in. Hopefully this omicron variant finally ushers in an era of zero-tolerance and sweeping mandates here in the U.S. and elsewhere. Anyone willfully remaining unvaccinated should be banned from as much of society as possible. Banned from attending schools/universities, banned from eating in restaurants, banned from movie theaters, banned from enclosed retail spaces, banned from boarding planes/trains/buses/taxis, banned from staying at hotels, banned from doctors offices and all medical facilities, banned from entering all government buildings...and when it finally dawns upon these morons that they can't eat out, can't go shopping, can't travel, and worst of all can't stop by the government welfare office or liquor store, you'll see all those anti-vax "principles" evaporate like a fucking fart in the wind.

If omicron is going to be bad, I just hope it quickly wipes out the remaining anti-vaxxers that delta missed, and we can finally get back to some semblance of normalcy by summer. If that means I get the new, updated Pfizer booster this spring and get sick for a few days again then so be it.
 
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Better yet this could be a great first opportunity to test out having all the “undesirables” immediately and efficiently rounded up and put in death camps. Oh wait, I think this has been tried before by other fascists…
 
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CharlieSimms said:
Better yet this could be a great first opportunity to test out having all the “undesirables” immediately and efficiently rounded up and put in death camps. Oh wait, I think this has been tried before by other fascists…
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So you're equating the basic, science-backed public health policy of voluntarily requiring vaccinations to the systematic and genocidal murder of millions of people? You must've been first in your class at Trump University. Are you comfortable extolling that garbage in person? If so, when Tucker Carlson gets fired from FOXNEWS you should apply for the gig. Seven figures for parroting anti-vax gibberish is a pretty decent deal, I say. In the meantime, toss that mask and go discover some South African bars. The sooner folks like you get infected and recover (or die, either way it's all gravy) the sooner I can take a trip and folks with 3-digit IQ scores can actually start living life again.
 
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I am equating the wishing of death on huge segments of the population simply because they do not agree with you and have a different set of values to be similar indeed. Quite morally reprehensible. I am no Trump supporter nor am I even Republican. Continue to use that lazy logic if it pleases you.
 
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CharlieSimms said:
I am equating the wishing of death on huge segments of the population simply because they do not agree with you and have a different set of values to be similar indeed. Quite morally reprehensible. I am no Trump supporter nor am I even Republican. Continue to use that lazy logic if it pleases you.
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Those people who, according to you, have a "different set of values," are the reason this pandemic is still with us. To be clear, I'm talking about any individual in any industrialized society with ready and easy access to vaccines who refuses to do his/her part in ending this bullshit. These dumb fucks are not just liabilities, pariahs and burdens on the healthcare systems, again they are the reason this plague is still with us with no end in sight. And I AM a Republican and I'm proud to say this: I hope that when you or those morons you champion inevitably do get infected, you then infect as few people as possible and that all of them fully recover. And I most fervently hope that the Japanese will impose the strictest of vaccine requirements for many, many years to come, so that I can know for sure the asshole sitting near me on my next flight to Haneda, whenever that may be, won't be some dumb fuck anti-vaxxer spreading a plague in the cabin. No, jerkoffs like that can keep their "different set of values" back home where they belong.
 
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Your casual throwing around of the label anti-vaxxer also continues to be lazy. I have no issue with the vaccine and am double vaccinated myself. But I do understand and will defend the rights of those who choose not to do so. For your information, Japan has no vaccine mandates in-country. In any event, I certainly do not wish death on anyone. Would be quite happy that anyone who does is quite welcome to stay in the US, vaccinated or otherwise.
 
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Keihan said:
Those people who, according to you, have a "different set of values," are the reason this pandemic is still with us. To be clear, I'm talking about any individual in any industrialized society with ready and easy access to vaccines who refuses to do his/her part in ending this bullshit. These dumb fucks are not just liabilities, pariahs and burdens on the healthcare systems, again they are the reason this plague is still with us with no end in sight. And I AM a Republican and I'm proud to say this: I hope that when you or those morons you champion inevitably do get infected, you then infect as few people as possible and that all of them fully recover. And I most fervently hope that the Japanese will impose the strictest of vaccine requirements for many, many years to come, so that I can know for sure the asshole sitting near me on my next flight to Haneda, whenever that may be, won't be some dumb fuck anti-vaxxer spreading a plague in the cabin. No, jerkoffs like that can keep their "different set of values" back home where they belong.
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Are you for real? Contrary to popular belief (god knows why) there are perfectly valid reasons for not taking a vaccine - medical reasons being the plain fucking obvious one. There are also many ways one could do their part for the greater good without being guilt-tripped into doing something against their will. Not being a fat fuck for example. Or not drinking and driving or smoking or doing stupid shit that lands you in ER. Or not spreading STDs. Case in point

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Maybe they are not American they don’t understand freedom. Oh well, no need to get hostile.
 
Bobby Maupy said:
Maybe they are not American they don’t understand freedom
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Hmmm... you do realise that Ultimate American® George Washington mandated all his troops be inoculated against smallpox, right? And that was back when it was still a seriously risky procedure that might actually kill people.

These sort of mandates have been around since before your nation was even formed, your supreme court affirmed their legality in the name of public health and welfare back in 1905, and every challenge to that ruling has been struck down ever since.

Vaccine mandates are as American as apple pie, college football, fervent patriotism, and indulgent food combinations.
 
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Bobby Maupy said:
Maybe they are not American they don’t understand freedom. Oh well, no need to get hostile.
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you guys invented freedom and are still the only nation having it. Yeah. Right. it’s a known fact :D
 
Well, it's here. Our state department of health just reported the first detected case of omicron today. As of now, cases have popped up pretty much across the country, on the East Coast, West Coast and in-between. Now it's just a matter of watching what happens.

Interesting fact on our known infection, it's an individual with no history of travel so the virus is circulating in the community. More importantly, this individual was previously infected by COVID during the delta spike this past summer, and (wait for it) he/she still refused to get vaccinated. Surprise!

So what do we know? One, that the usual idiotic anti-vaxxer argument of "I CAUGHT COVID ALREADY SO I'M IMMUNE FOREVER AND EVER!!" is demonstrable bullshit and patently false, and also in line with everything we've been hearing from South Africa. The majority of new omicron infections are among unvaccinated individuals, many of whom already recovered from previous infections.

Two, a very pleasant side-effect of omicron...national news is reporting that 30% of American anti-vaxxers polled recently are now scared shitless, have changed their tunes and are rushing to get their shots. I guess all those anti-vax "principles" just suddenly evolved this week. I suppose it's one thing to be a fucking moron, yet another to have a death wish.

Among a couple of interesting things I read in the news today was the opinion of one American health specialist whose thoughts mirror those of the Japanese researchers who were recently asked why they thought Japan's delta numbers had dropped so drastically--because delta itself developed too many mutations, essentially killing itself off. Likewise, the American specialist thinks that omicron may not be able to sustain itself very long.

The other opinion I read today was equally interesting, suggesting that omicron may actually be how this pandemic ends itself. From everything we know so far, this variant is extremely contagious, resistant to vaccines and yet surprisingly mild in its effects, particularly on vaccinated individuals, most of whom are reporting either no symptoms or just minor fatigue, sore throats and mild fevers. So it may be that this variant spreads so far, so quickly and so mildly that it essentially pushes delta out (and it's on its way out, anyway), enough of the population gets infected and recovers and then this is over--basically, like an ordinary cold season.

Wishful thinking, but worth thinking about. In the meantime, that last holdout anti-vaxxers are now stampeding to Walgreens to get jabbed. I hear conspiracy theorists hissing that omicron is just the government and MSM conspiring to trick "true patriots" into getting vaccinated. If it is, GOOD. It's working.

In the meantime, I've still got enough N95/KN95 masks, Clorox Wipes and Lysol to last another five years.
 
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Keihan said:
Well, you guys invented Freedom Fries, so you're equally at fault.
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It’s actually the Belgians . Only Americans call that “French Fries”
Another reason why the whole Freedom Fries thing made us laugh so hard :)
 
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Are you for real? Contrary to popular belief (god knows why) there are perfectly valid reasons for not taking a vaccine - medical reasons being the plain fucking obvious one. There are also many ways one could do their part for the greater good without being guilt-tripped into doing something against their will. Not being a fat fuck for example. Or not drinking and driving or smoking or doing stupid shit that lands you in ER. Or not spreading STDs. Case in point

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No one begrude those who have underlining medical condition that prevents them from getting the vaccine... I have never heard anyone say "you are allergic to the vaccine? how dare you not take it".... And vaccinating people who can be vaccinated is supposed to protect those people who can't get vaccinated...

Its those who refuse vaccines for no real good reason, but rail against mask mandates and social distancing as some sort of weird authoritarian freedom removing policy...

Those very ppl who say "vaccines are unsafe and masks are useless" are then the first to use "untested" medical care in dealing with covid when they are on a ventilator in the hospital wasting scarce resources due to their "pride" or whatever.... Their logic isn't even comprehensible.

Just look at China's robust govt response towards Covid right now compared to something like America: practically covid free right now due to a robust govt response right now in terms of having vaccine passport and having to scan your phone to get into places. And you still wear masks, and such. My friends in China are practically having the time of their lives living like it is 2018 or 2019 but with masks on in public, scanning things, and lots of hand sanitizer... I envy that they can return to some semblance of normalcy and feel actually safe, whereas I still glare at everyone who walk within 6 ft from me because who knows if they are vaccinated or taking other precautions?

As far as guilt tripping them...we don't even need to do that... Why should we waste energy and time worrying about someone who won't do the basics to help themselves? If they don't care enough, I see no need for me to care about them for them.
 
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So China is roughly 40% vaccinated, the US 60%, and Japan 80%. Or simply unvaccinated is 3 in 5 in China, 2 in 5 in the US and 1 in 5 in Japan . Those are still large sections unvaccinated yet the new infection rates and the level of ongoing problem are so dramatically different. Cannot be explained by the vaccine alone. Surely if both vaccinated and unvaccinated do not continue to social distance, wear masks, and sanitize the situation will not get better. I would say look to Japan rather than China as a good system that is working, primarily because who knows what is real in the Middle Kingdom. No vaccine mandates in Japan yet we are getting along just fine without them. Not needed. Some choose not to vaccinate or rather to wait until a non-mRNA variation is available. I know of respected medical professionals here that fall in the latter camp. Some have other reasons. No one can objectively decide for another person what or what is not a good reason. Certainly no one on this forum is an expert on the long term effects of the widespread distribution of mRNA vaccines on large populations. Probably nothing horrendous but still a risk that has to be weighed personally. Back to my point - shoving it down people’s throats is not necessary. 1 in 5 people here you run into will still not be vaccinated but it is not a problem because people know how to follow basic hygiene. No vaccine (or even with vaccine) and no mask no distancing no hygiene - yeah that is a shit show. Welcome to ‘Merica.
 
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CharlieSimms said:
So China is roughly 40% vaccinated, the US 60%, and Japan 80%. Or simply unvaccinated is 3 in 5 in China, 2 in 5 in the US and 1 in 5 in Japan . Those are still large sections unvaccinated yet the new infection rates and the level of ongoing problem are so dramatically different. Cannot be explained by the vaccine alone. Surely if both vaccinated and unvaccinated do not continue to social distance, wear masks, and sanitize the situation will not get better. I would say look to Japan rather than China as a good system that is working, primarily because who knows what is real in the Middle Kingdom. No vaccine mandates in Japan yet we are getting along just fine without them. Not needed. Some choose not to vaccinate or rather to wait until a non-mRNA variation is available. I know of respected medical professionals here that fall in the latter camp. Some have other reasons. No one can objectively decide for another person what or what is not a good reason. Certainly no one on this forum is an expert on the long term effects of the widespread distribution of mRNA vaccines on large populations. Probably nothing horrendous but still a risk that has to be weighed personally. Back to my point - shoving it down people’s throats is not necessary. 1 in 5 people here you run into will still not be vaccinated but it is not a problem because people know how to follow basic hygiene. No vaccine (or even with vaccine) and no mask no distancing no hygiene - yeah that is a shit show. Welcome to ‘Merica.
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So China is doing so well despite lower vaccination with lower efficacy vaccine is because they have a robust system around it by tracking movement with the QR codes and such. Granted, some of China's action is a bit extreme like locking down the entire city and testing all the population in the city when outbreak do occur, but they have a pretty good handle over the pandemic right now. And frankly a stronger govt response like that is worth it if life can return to normal in a safe manner. I can't comment on Japan because I don't actively read Japanese news. However, I would also take the current Japanese situations than the American one... American "low infection rate" is still 70-80k people a day.... Compare that to Japan's 100 cases... It is apples to oranges for sure.

Like I said earlier, no one begrudges valid reasons for not taking vaccines. But most of what you hear in the news (the most face palming reasons are also the loudest), you hear of Farmer John Doe who is suddenly a doctor on Facebook or Whatsapp spouting a load of nonsense and such.

However for me, no good and rational doctor would willingly inject themselves with something that is dangerous on purpose for a stunt, so based on all the medical professions who are advising govt, and local doctor you actually go to advocating for the vaccine or even taking the vaccine, that is good enough for me along with the medical reports that you get from tests.

As for alternatives to vaccine: If you don't want vaccine. Wear the damn mask properly and social distance. If you get the vaccine, you should still do so because no vaccine is 100% effective anyways.
 
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We wear shoes everywhere Women here will sleep with you with shoes and heels on too lol. Japanese girls do this? It’s like some ladies leave the shoes on and everything else comes off.
 
Durg50 said:
this is a big deal I think. Before I went to the US for the first time, i honestly thought people wearing shoes inside was just in the movies. Blew my mind that people actually did that.
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And people don't wear their footwear indoors where you come from? I never did growing up, but I didn't grow up in the mainland USA and given the Asian/Japanese influence here, absolutely nobody (not locals, anyhow) wears footwear indoors

I got used to wearing my boots indoors during my years in mainland states, particularly in places with extremely cold weather, but certainly not anymore. I don't even allow footwear to be stored anywhere but in a particular spot with separate flooring. Being an OCD neurotic germophobe I even disinfect my floors with rubbing alcohol and chemical disinfectant every week, and that was BEFORE Covid turned me into even more of a psychopath. It's quite sad, whereas my personal office was once a comfortable space for me to peruse porn, play with my guns and get comfortably numb listening to Dave Gilmour, it now looks like some douchebag doomsday prepper's lair packed with cases and piles of N95 masks, Clorox wipes, Lysol, rubbing alcohol, hydrogen peroxide and jugs of hand sanitizer. And I suspect that's not going to change in 2022.
 
Frenchy said:
It’s actually the Belgians . Only Americans call that “French Fries”
Another reason why the whole Freedom Fries thing made us laugh so hard :)
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Are the Belgians also the ones who started putting mayonnaise on fries? Or, is that the Germans?
 
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