A question to those men who have no reason to use P4P...

[Frenchy]

Often thought about this , not sure why I ask now , anyway...

Lets assume that unlike this frenchy you are still young, attractive, with a normal penis, not married, no kids , not shy, and overall have no issue to get great ladies share your bed for free...

But still you use P4P, mainly or even exclusively. I would really like to know why...

(also question to escorts here: did you have such client as I described, who made you wonder why he was even willing to pay for sex?)

 

[MikeH]

I don't qualify to answer based on your requirements (we all know my penis is extra-ordinary) but I always thought this one is very easy.

Guys use p4p because it is easy. If you hook up for non-p4p session you need to go through the normal mating rituals; you need to use time and money and make sure to confirm her that you are not only looking for sex but for the one true love. Then you need to make sure she is having fun too, and even cuddle afterwards.

For p4p the foreplay consists of you handing over the money, for the play you can be as fast as you want and only do things that feel good for you, and then afterwards you can just put your pants back on and go home to sleep alone with no regrets on anyone's part.

And it is cheaper too; I use way more money on my non-p4p sessions than for the p4p ones.

 

[Frenchy]

I don't qualify to answer based on your requirements (we all know my penis is extra-ordinary) but I always thought this one is very easy.

Guys use p4p because it is easy. If you hook up for non-p4p session you need to go through the normal mating rituals; you need to use time and money and make sure to confirm her that you are not only looking for sex but for the one true love. Then you need to make sure she is having fun too, and even cuddle afterwards.

For p4p the foreplay consists of you handing over the money, for the play you can be as fast as you want and only do things that feel good for you, and then afterwards you can just put your pants back on and go home to sleep alone with no regrets on anyone's part.

And it is cheaper too; I use way more money on my non-p4p sessions than for the p4p ones.

Thanks Mikey, I get that. But Im quite certain some women like a quick hook-up with a hunk too, heck I know at least two Tinder addicts (quite attractive ladies in fact, and not SWs) and SBs told me stories that made me think.. this whole “you need to invite her and show her its not only about sex” stuff is vastly exaggerated, or increasingly old-fashioned.

 

[hawaiianhawk]

Like Mikey, I don't fit most of the description you described, but for some it may be that they can get it for free, but they are not getting serviced the way they want to such as girl won't do bj, etc. so they go to p4p to get satisfaction. I've only been with 3 women in my life but all 3 never really cared to do bj. Not that they didn't do it once in awhile for my benefit, but if you know they are uncomfortable or don't want to, somehow forcing them to do so doesn't make you feel good.

 

[Frenchy]

Like Mikey, I don't fit most of the description you described, but for some it may be that they can get it for free, but they are not getting serviced the way they want to such as girl won't do bj, etc. so they go to p4p to get satisfaction. I've only been with 3 women in my life but all 3 never really cared to do bj. Not that they didn't do it once in awhile for my benefit, but if you know they are uncomfortable or don't want to, somehow forcing them to do so doesn't make you feel good.

Yes, that may be the “best” reason. Its hard to know in advance in a non-p4p situation. Even the worst guy on Tinder or at a dinner would not ask “so , do you like to give BJs? If not thats a deal breaker, sorry babe”

 

[MikeH]

But Im quite certain some women like a quick hook-up with a hunk too

I do believe you know two women like that. And that you also know three thousand guys like that.

The thing is women in our society are not allowed to think casual sex is OK. So most of those girls who would like to have it still have to pretend they don't and thus you both need to fake and use time to overcome that.

Even the worst guy on Tinder or at a dinner would not ask “so , do you like to give BJs? If not thats a deal breaker, sorry babe”

The worst session ever I have had was in a first date with a Tinder match. She wanted to have sex, even more than I did, but when in bed she was totally happy to just lay there on her back and have me do everything. And of course BJ was out of the question, that's not sanitary. I am pretty sure a silicone sex doll would have felt way better. Even if I had to pay for that.

 

[Frenchy]

I do believe you know two women like that. And that you also know three thousand guys like that.

The thing is women in our society are not allowed to think casual sex is OK. So most of those girls who would like to have it still have to pretend they don't and thus you both need to fake and use time to overcome that.



The worst session ever I have had was in a first date with a Tinder match. She wanted to have sex, even more than I did, but when in bed she was totally happy to just lay there on her back and have me do everything. And of course BJ was out of the question, that's not sanitary. I am pretty sure a silicone sex doll would have felt way better. Even if I had to pay for that.

Good points. And come to think of it the first one uses Tinder in a neurotic attempt to get prince charming and/or to get free accomodation when she’s on vacation abroad. The second one stopped using Tinder (or so she says) as she now wants a serious relationship and apparently (especially in Japan) she only gets guys married to Japanese wives who (surprise surprise) dont get any action anymore and are sex-starved. So my two examples were not that relevant anyway.

Having said that Im still sure that wanting and getting quick hook-ups (for women) is less a taboo now than what it used to be. My SBs are slutty (i like them like that, eh eh) so i hear lots of stories of casual sex with the Brad-Pitt-circa-Fight -Club types. Good for them by the way.

 

[FallenLaughter]

Well I don't use p4p mainly I'd say but I do still like to use it. Having a girlfriend in Japan is a bit of a pain for me as it's hard to come across somebody who is all that serious about it while I'm not living here full time though finding somebody serious would probably help move that along faster. That said even with friends with benefits I've found there is a certain emotional investment required along with financial to keep things exciting and fun. I also found out how wrong it can go fairly recently when I went out for halloween and met up with my fuck buddy and her friends. One friend was wearing this sexy cat outfit that was doing all kinds of things for me so inevitably flirting happened and she was responsive, so I figured I'd see what happened with her. We managed to miss our last train coincidentally and settled into a love hotel for the night and I got to help her out her halloween costume.

Anyway after all that my fuck buddy found out I'd extended my friends with benefits offer to her friend and threw a tantrum that's still kinda going on and I'm having to treat her nice to get her back onside. There is a certain investment and possessiveness in this situation, sure you can say it doesn't happen with all women but in many cases when you're not paying for their time they expect certain things. A p4p provider just needs to get my money and then I get what I want, she doesn't care who I'm with outside of that, no judgement it's all very easy.

It's the same as asking why if people can cook their own meals what's the point of eating out. Sure I could probably go home and put the effort in to make a nice meal, I might even have a girlfriend/wife who can also make a satisfying meal for me but sometimes I want to try something different and I don't want to put in a great deal of effort to have it if I can pay somebody to make it for me.

 

[Sudsy]

Lets assume that unlike this frenchy you are still young, attractive, with a normal penis, not married, no kids , not shy, and overall have no issue to get great ladies share your bed for free...

But still you use P4P, mainly or even exclusively. I would really like to know why...

Never saw the old quote from Charlie Sheen?

"I don't pay them for sex. I pay them to leave."

 

[Frenchy]

We managed to miss our last train coincidentally and settled into a love hotel for the night and I got to help her out her halloween costume.

Lol! i love how you worded this !

 

[Coda87]

I don't fit the description of young hunk either. But I think some guys, even charming/good looking ones, just want to convenience of paying to have sex with a hot escort. And in some cases guys may have a very short time frame to find a lady to willing to have sex with him. In my case that could be as short as a 3-4 hour block of time. I'm sure there are are some PUA's that can pull this off most of the time, but not always. With P4P it is basically a sure thing, you can choose the lady ahead of time, and she will be experienced in sex.

 

[Simonka]

I do meet very desirable men — handsome, financially stable, etc — but they do not conform to social norms of interacting with women at conventional places, either because they are too busy or they don’t like to hang out in a bar to socialize with ladies. They don’t have personal insecurities or financial concerns when it comes to booking an escort.

They tend to choose escorts with whom they can connect on an intellectual level and who are seemingly more GND. As a client, they are usually selfless and their partner’s pleasure is very important to them.

 

[Junsui hunter]

For your catégorie of guy I think you can insert Charlie Sheen quote. “ I don’t pay them to have sex with me but to go home afterward.”

 

[Frenchy]

I do meet very desirable men — handsome, financially stable, etc — but they do not conform to social norms of interacting with women at conventional places, either because they are too busy or they don’t like to hang out in a bar to socialize with ladies. They don’t have personal insecurities or financial concerns when it comes to booking an escort.

They tend to choose escorts with whom they can connect on an intellectual level and who are seemingly more GND. As a client, they are usually selfless and their partner’s pleasure is very important to them.

Wow, is that all? Do they also wash your laundry and sing lullabies to make you sleep?

 

[Frenchy]

For your catégorie of guy I think you can insert Charlie Sheen quote. “ I don’t pay them to have sex with me but to go home afterward.”

Yes, as Sudsy said just above

 

[Ocean]

For my side, I think it was Charlie Sheen who said...

Oh never mind

 

[Simonka]

Wow, is that all? Do they also wash your laundry and sing lullabies to make you sleep?

Hmm. Next time I’ll slyly place my laundry basket into their luggage. It takes a lot of time to hand wash my panties

 

[Viggagadye]

I'm not a young hot guy, but sometimes, I just like the whole process. It's a service. You get what you want, discuss extras, and yes, there are disappointing encounters, but no fallout afterwards.
One example is, I'd never tried Spanish/Russian (titfucking) before I met an escort. Turns out it's pretty nice. With an escort, you can just ask to do it, and it'll be a simple yes or no (usually yes), and you don't have to think "Does this girl think I'm weird?".

 

[MikeH]

"Does this girl think I'm weird?".

With my non-p4p dates it is usually "does this girl think I am weird enough?". Yeah, admittedly I date only weirdos, they are much more interesting.

But the titles was "men who have no reason to use". Obviously those guys would not be answering here as they don't have no reason to use escorts.

 

[Viggagadye]

With my non-p4p dates it is usually "does this girl think I am weird enough?". Yeah, admittedly I date only weirdos, they are much more interesting.

But the titles was "men who have no reason to use". Obviously those guys would not be answering here as they don't have no reason to use escorts.

See I'm quite the opposite. I don't have the energy to deal with all the drama that comes with dating weirdos.

 

[MikeH]

See I'm quite the opposite. I don't have the energy to deal with all the drama that comes with dating weirdos.

You are now thinking about the crazies. Totally different category. Weirdos are those that don't follow the normal script to become subjects of the Emperor and work 24/7.

 

[eman]

I'm a fairly young guy. I don't know how I would rate myself on the attractive scale but I do ok when I go for it.

I'd say the 2 main reasons I (occasionally) do p4p is the convenience of it and the variety. As mentioned already, getting into an actual relationship just takes a lot of emotional effort and sometimes I just want something quick and easy. Even something like PUA seems like a lot of effort for something that may not pay off.

Variety is probably my biggest reason to use p4p. I'm able to meet all sorts of women and try new things without having to worry about being judged or having to seek out a specific type of person out in the wild. Sometimes I'm in the mood for an older woman, sometimes someone with small breasts, someone young, etc etc. There are enough services so that I can usually find what I'm in the mood for at the time.

I guess a third reason would be not wanting to get into a relationship after just getting out of another. Sometimes you need some time alone but not completely alone...

 

[Frenchy]

With my non-p4p dates it is usually "does this girl think I am weird enough?". Yeah, admittedly I date only weirdos, they are much more interesting.

But the titles was "men who have no reason to use". Obviously those guys would not be answering here as they don't have no reason to use escorts.

But they could still be TAG members, dont be racist Mikey

 

[MikeH]

But they could still be TAG members, dont be racist Mikey

I hate it when people forget the "small minded" from my title.

 

[TheScientist]

One example is, I'd never tried Spanish/Russian (titfucking) before I met an escort.

Huh, way way back when i was a very young man and girls weren't so quick to put out, hand jobs and tit fucking were the order of the day.