A question to those men who have no reason to use P4P...

[FallenLaughter]

Lol! i love how you worded this !

Turned out she was taking the marunouchi line via the fukutoshin line too so I thought I'd be a gentleman and walk with her since everyone else was taking another line. We decided it was still early and went for drinks plus she was insisting I must have a nice singing voice so I decided to prove her wrong and we lost track of time . Then the choice is sit in a diner drinking coffee until 5am or go somewhere with a bath and bed.

 

[FallenLaughter]

See I'm quite the opposite. I don't have the energy to deal with all the drama that comes with dating weirdos.

The weirdos are usually the only ones worth being around because they don't behave like introverted robots. When it comes to Japanese women I prefer the ones that have the looks of Japanese women I like but they don't really act like one lol. There is a difference in going at their own pace or being a total psycho. Don't ever want to be that JET bro who 1 month in gets a Japanese girlfriend and is like "Japanese women are the best in the world!" then 3 months later they change to "Japanese women are all psychotic bitches!"

 

[e-smile]

I don't qualify to answer based on your requirements (we all know my penis is extra-ordinary) but I always thought this one is very easy.

Guys use p4p because it is easy. If you hook up for non-p4p session you need to go through the normal mating rituals; you need to use time and money and make sure to confirm her that you are not only looking for sex but for the one true love. Then you need to make sure she is having fun too, and even cuddle afterwards.

For p4p the foreplay consists of you handing over the money, for the play you can be as fast as you want and only do things that feel good for you, and then afterwards you can just put your pants back on and go home to sleep alone with no regrets on anyone's part.

And it is cheaper too; I use way more money on my non-p4p sessions than for the p4p ones.

I don't qualify either to answer him but I don't find p4p cheaper and that's why I rarely had it.

But I don't regret the few times I went the p4p route. I had good experiences and the money only hurts the moment before you decide to spend it.

 

[Frenchy]

I don't qualify either to answer him but I don't find p4p cheaper and that's why I rarely had it.

But I don't regret the few times I went the p4p route. I had good experiences and the money only hurts the moment before you decide to spend it.

Thanks e-smile. I envy you... for me the money hurts the moment I notice (or just feel) that I’ve been taken for a fool, which can be during, just after or even long after the facts. I just hate this.
If I remember well you once posted about a bad experience though?

 

[LeonGRAY]

P4P for my tentacle fetish and the doctor & nurse roleplaying.

Online dating for everything else.

 

[Troilist]

I also don’t qualify either but I am pretty confident that if my husband and I hit up the swinging scene we would probably get plenty of free action. The reason why we exclusively choose to p4p is mainly due to the need for privacy, cleanliness, ease and convenience (especially in Japan). P4p also provides a drama free environment and of course being able to play with not only attractive but also very intelligent ladies is a big plus.

I also enjoy the part where I am free to share, express myself and connect fully and intimately without the fear of feeling the escort will think I want to pursue her beyond what she is offering. I can never interact with anyone in a fake or dishonest manner so my transparency and genuineness can sometimes get me into trouble if I was to play with someone outside of the p4p setting.

 

[e-smile]

Thanks e-smile. I envy you... for me the money hurts the moment I notice (or just feel) that I’ve been taken for a fool, which can be during, just after or even long after the facts. I just hate this.
If I remember well you once posted about a bad experience though?

I guess it's the fact you feel you've been taken for a fool that hurts more than the money itself. If you break a valuable object that costs the same it wouldn't hurt the same way would it ?
The bad experience I had was nippori castle but it there was no p4p in it as in the end I only paid the rental room fee as I refused to accept having a session with the girl they sent.

 

[Frenchy]

I guess it's the fact you feel you've been taken for a fool that hurts more than the money itself. If you break a valuable object that costs the same it wouldn't hurt the same way would it ?.

Bingo .
But I try to improve myself on that point. Not always easy, there are ups and downs. I guess same stories will happen as long as I don’t know how to handle them properly. Karma is a bitch.

 

[Frenchy]

The bad experience I had was nippori castle but it there was no p4p in it as in the end I only paid the rental room fee as I refused to accept having a session with the girl they sent.

... and that was handled properly, congrats!

 

[Spartacus77]

IMHO If you are young and single, you should be out there in the dating scene and earning your next “meal.” If you use P4P as a young single male, you should only do it sporadically to maintain lovemaking skills and not come across as desperate to young single females. It takes no skill to go “hunting” at a grocery store. Plus you won’t hone your social skills doing P4P.

If your an older man with a SO, you have much more to lose if you go the typical socializing route. So yes we older guys use p4p for descretion and the emotional ties that could really screw things up. As Charlie Sheen said, we pay them to go away.

However I write this as a middle aged man with things to lose.

 

[Yuriko]

For p4p I think clients look for certain quality time, you can't get by non p4p girls. We give them tension release by good massage, dip into bath together and have fun, but an escort is making "you" giving lots of attention, to you to down there, that I have a feeling men want caring attention and time being taken care...in a real life, when they're partnered, it's the opposit mostly. They give so much attention to their girl.

Also, they want luxuary to secretly consume, to satisfy
their mens need, power. They know what they'll get by p4p. I'm happy and fulfilled, when I see my clients face
look so refreshed, quite different by before/ after.

It's different quality of what you look from your partner, I guess. You pay for discretion, no drama promissed.

 

[Durg50]

Often thought about this , not sure why I ask now , anyway...

Lets assume that unlike this frenchy you are still young, attractive, with a normal penis, not married, no kids , not shy, and overall have no issue to get great ladies share your bed for free...

But still you use P4P, mainly or even exclusively. I would really like to know why...

(also question to escorts here: did you have such client as I described, who made you wonder why he was even willing to pay for sex?)

A lot of professional football players in the UK (that fit your criteria) use escorts. Main reason is to stop kiss and tell stories getting into the tabloids, also avoid gold-diggers.

 

[Frenchy]

A lot of professional football players in the UK (that fit your criteria) use escorts. Main reason is to stop kiss and tell stories getting into the tabloids, also avoid gold-diggers.

Very good points.

 

[namae]

Very good points.

A lot of professional football players in the UK (that fit your criteria) use escorts. Main reason is to stop kiss and tell stories getting into the tabloids, also avoid gold-diggers.

Didn't work out so well for Wayne Rooney

 

[Durg50]

Didn't work out so well for Wayne Rooney

because he went low-end! some 100 quid-a-go 50 something year old, whilst his wife was pregnant too so the papers loved it.
Same as Ribery and Benzema doing some things that we don't talk about on this site.
On the other hand the younger, modern players are all banging expensive escorts who earn enough to not jeopardize their careers for even a significant bribe from a sleazy tabloid journalist.

 

[hudsonfan]

I'll bite.

For my age I'm relatively successful and am doing very well in my industry/career. I prefer serious long term relationships, however right now I am focused on driving myself to my absolute max. I'm in the gym 3 times a week at 6 AM before work, I am spending time outside of work either winding down or further developing my skills.

I like dating, I like wooing girls, but most girls aren't what I'm looking for right now. If I were to date someone it would ideally be someone who is also striving for her absolute best, and we could find mutual understanding in our respective struggles towards excellence. In a number of years after we have gotten the wins we are looking for, hopefully we still want the same things and can settle down. I probably won't meet someone like this until I go for my MBA.

For me, considering P4P is wanting to enjoy some of the absolute best of female beauty/sexuality in exchange for $$$, which indirectly is recognition of my success. In HK for example you can get FS from some old ladies in an old apartment for $40-60. The really good looking girls start at $300 USD. Guess which ones broke bitches book?

 

[Simonka]

Btw why does the majority of people equate attractive looks to regularly working out at the gym or having a toned body? Some girls prefer bears

 

[TheScientist]

Btw why does the majority of people equate attractive looks to regularly working out at the gym or having a toned body? Some girls prefer bears

Hollywood and advertising is why. But as you say, women are attracted to different types than that as well.

 

[Frenchy]

Hollywood and advertising is why. But as you say, women are attracted to different types than that as well.

And vice-versa. Personally I think the type of ladies that fashion/advertising/movies etc promote always seem too « perfect » to be good, if that makes sense.

 

[Spartacus77]

Btw why does the majority of people equate attractive looks to regularly working out at the gym or having a toned body? Some girls prefer bears

You mean I don’t have to waste an ungodly amount of the time biking, swimming, and working out at gym? I was doing it because I thought “chicks dig it.”

Shucks, I’m hanging at the local dive bar and letting myself go. Just kidding, I have an endorfin addiction, and a bit vain. Good to know that girls may find me attractive, even if I become a bear.

I live in America, so even if I did get fat, I’d look like your ordinary Midwesterner. I’ve passed through the airport in St. Louis, MO once. Every where I looked, all I saw were people (how can I say this nicely) who needed to put down their forks. Maybe eat a vegetable once in a while.

 

[usualblue]

Btw why does the majority of people equate attractive looks to regularly working out at the gym or having a toned body? Some girls prefer bears

I can confirm this, and thank God they do ;-)

 

[warubuta]

I'll bite.

For my age I'm relatively successful and am doing very well in my industry/career. I prefer serious long term relationships, however right now I am focused on driving myself to my absolute max. I'm in the gym 3 times a week at 6 AM before work, I am spending time outside of work either winding down or further developing my skills.

I like dating, I like wooing girls, but most girls aren't what I'm looking for right now. If I were to date someone it would ideally be someone who is also striving for her absolute best, and we could find mutual understanding in our respective struggles towards excellence. In a number of years after we have gotten the wins we are looking for, hopefully we still want the same things and can settle down. I probably won't meet someone like this until I go for my MBA.

For me, considering P4P is wanting to enjoy some of the absolute best of female beauty/sexuality in exchange for $$$, which indirectly is recognition of my success. In HK for example you can get FS from some old ladies in an old apartment for $40-60. The really good looking girls start at $300 USD. Guess which ones broke bitches book?

When you are young, you should put aside some time from your intense career and weightlifting and throw yourself into deep, torrid, all consuming love affairs with as many women as you can muster. When you are older, these young women - the memories of them, are going to be a high point of what you will hopefully consider to have been a life well lived. And you should also drink beer and eat cheeseburgers. I used to spend lots of time the gym. I got an MBA from a good B-school 25 years ago. I am going to begin winding down a very successful (by my measure anyway) career in a few more years. Its been great. No major regrets. It is still great. But maybe I do sometimes wish I had had more emotionally infused relationships with the young ladies when I was a young man. Its what I remember the most.

 

[hudsonfan]

When you are young, you should put aside some time from your intense career and weightlifting and throw yourself into deep, torrid, all consuming love affairs with as many women as you can muster. When you are older, these young women - the memories of them, are going to be a high point of what you will hopefully consider to have been a life well lived. And you should also drink beer and eat cheeseburgers. I used to spend lots of time the gym. I got an MBA from a good B-school 25 years ago. I am going to begin winding down a very successful (by my measure anyway) career in a few more years. Its been great. No major regrets. It is still great. But maybe I do sometimes wish I had had more emotionally infused relationships with the young ladies when I was a young man. Its what I remember the most.

I had been consumed in an on again off again relationship with someone I wasn't too compatible with for 7 years. Not interested in diving back into dating, but I guess you're saying keep it casual

 

[MikeH]

but I guess you're saying keep it casual

I guess you are guessing wrong. He is saying you need to fall madly in love and then have the best and the worst times of your life because of it. And when Buta is right, he is right.

When you are older you can get into the casual calculated relationships with girls with whom you just want to have sex and maybe a beer before of after, but that would be sad without all those wonderful and horrible memories back in the day.

 

[hudsonfan]

I guess you are guessing wrong. He is saying you need to fall madly in love and then have the best and the worst times of your life because of it. And when Buta is right, he is right.

When you are older you can get into the casual calculated relationships with girls with whom you just want to have sex and maybe a beer before of after, but that would be sad without all those wonderful and horrible memories back in the day.

I see, and I get the point. But the last 7 year stint was enough "best and worst times." Now I am sowing the seeds so I can reap the benefits when I'm older! I am 1 year out of college at 25 making 120k, not including my bonus. If I hit all my goals, I should get close to 270k total compensation by 30.