BBC documentary - Young sex for sale in Japan

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However, it is disturbing that guys in their 40s can hang around and flirt with teenage schoolgirls in bars. I guess guys like school uniforms because it reminds us when we first got interested in girls but it seems unhealthy interest at that level. Not casting judgement. Everyone has to live by their own standards and values.
 
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Jacobite said:
However, it is disturbing that guys in their 40s can hang around and flirt with teenage schoolgirls in bars. I guess guys like school uniforms because it reminds us when we first got interested in girls but it seems unhealthy interest at that level. Not casting judgement. Everyone has to live by their own standards and values.
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Yes...as long as it does not breach what is considered acceptable.. As a father and grand father of girls, I don't think I can accept someone's values if that means seducing and having sex with young vulnerable teenage girls...
 
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I was reading something the other day that suggested that practically ever high school girl has been molested, and that it often stops after graduation. Makes you wonder if the determining factor is the uniform (easy access) and not youth.

If that was really true, I would imagine that uniforms with skirts would be banned if society gave a shit.
 
Jacobite said:
However, it is disturbing that guys in their 40s can hang around and flirt with teenage schoolgirls in bars. I guess guys like school uniforms because it reminds us when we first got interested in girls but it seems unhealthy interest at that level. Not casting judgement. Everyone has to live by their own standards and values.
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Don't be afraid to cast judgement.

It is creepy as hell.
 
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This disturbs me. Does it mean it's their own fault if those girls have been molested? I cannot agree.
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I'm not saying that - rape and molestation is never the victim's fault. According to the article, the implementation was that all high school students were getting molested or worse, but graduates were not.

I truly believe it is rampant. I was just questioning the reporting as it was not a scientific study.
 
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Child Abuse Rate in the UK: 1 in 20 (Source: https://www.nspcc.org.uk/services-and-resources/research-and-resources/statistics/)
Child Abuse Rate in Japan: 1 in 46,000 (Source: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2015/09/26/editorials/child-abuse-rate-record-high/)

BBC should focus on fixing their own issues in their own country IMO. Just another hit piece on Japan/Anime in general.
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Serious child abuse is rare enough in Japan that cases often become front page news.
 
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Didn't the public schools in Japan get rid of the physical education uniform (bloomers) after widespread complaints about them from females?
 
Finally getting around to this thread and I can't even watch the video... so only going on the context of the summary and other comments.

Sudsy said:
Serious child abuse is rare enough in Japan that cases often become front page news.
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Yep.

RoboReptar said:
BBC should focus on fixing their own issues in their own country IMO. Just another hit piece on Japan/Anime in general.
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Yep.

Bottom line, the JK business issues are indeed *serious* -- and I believe there needs to be more done. But, this whole idea of about children under 18 getting abused because of what they wear? I'm not sure I'd ever want to endorse that sort of comment.

I was having a discussion with a [hot] working girl over the weekend, over some Korean BBQ and we discussed what people find hot, sexy, attractive, etc. There is a subculture in Japan that finds the 'cute' girls more attractive than the bombshell sexiness you get from girls like @Sarah Miehn (Korea) or other Asian types that go after that sexy format. The cuteness of the Japanese girls is what garners the attention from a certain group and I agree, sometimes, it goes too far. I think the limit goes to the cosplay agencies that provide a perfectly legal option to experience that fetish. These other JK businesses are walking a fine line, especially when there is more offered that isn't on the main course menu... and those shops who freely accept girls who aren't of legal age. (they continue to get busted on the same frequency as the Chinese esutes...)

If I had to pick one element that bothers me the most... the guys showing up in places like Akihabara where there are lots of truly innocent services that are selling the 'cute' appeal to those who want. (i.e. maid cafes) Foreigners don't get this and they think there's more on offer than just a display of cuteness. Japanese guys break those some lines, but have some better cultural understanding. There are a number of borderline shops out there too, but the harassment is very real from all sorts of people.

Feels like we repeat this cycle every few months and as far as the original article is concerned... it's just an easy target to garner attention to something that people outside of Japan don't really understand. You all should know that you can tell *any* story you want with the proper editing and voiceover skills.

Thanks.
 
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In the building where Cutie Relax is, on the second floor there's a big sign with photos of CNN reporters obviously taken without their knowledge basically saying "CNN reporters not allowed due to distortion of facts."

Thing is the government crackdown in Akiba worked! Genuine JK escorts and streetwalkers have indeed vanished. They're all on twitter now. All the "JK" shops I investigated over the last few months of my previous trip were staffed by young looking college girls.
 
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In the building where Cutie Relax is, on the second floor there's a big sign with photos of CNN reporters obviously taken without their knowledge basically saying "CNN reporters not allowed due to distortion of facts."
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This is worth a visit to snap a photo of that.

Thanks for the tip!
 
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They're all on twitter now. All the "JK" shops I investigated over the last few months of my previous trip were staffed by young looking college girls.
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Hell, I bet even half of those are fake, or police.

Yea, I was going to comment on this, but it's like... I don't find stuff like this even within the realm of believable. It shocks me to find people believing this. Just like all those reports from before that 50% of Japanese people have AIDS, or that 40% of all Japanese adults are virgins, or those mythical panty vending machines that are still all over Japan but I can't even find one in public after living here for almost a decade.

Stuff like this just blows my mind.
 
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static said:
Hell, I bet even half of those are fake, or police.

Yea, I was going to comment on this, but it's like... I don't find stuff like this even within the realm of believable. It shocks me to find people believing this. Just like all those reports from before that 50% of Japanese people have AIDS, or that 40% of all Japanese adults are virgins, or those mythical panty vending machines that are still all over Japan but I can't even find one in public after living here for almost a decade.

Stuff like this just blows my mind.
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I think there is often an under-current of jealousy about Japan in western media. Let's face it, like it or not (and very often I catch myself bitching and moaning about Japan too but usually not for the same reasons) this country successfully rebuilt itself after the war and has relatively low crime , low unemployment , relatively more equality than in the west , good services (including public services) and yes... a thriving sex industry. So western media use and distort the latter coz 1) sex sells 2) weirdness sells 3) there is indeed a perv aspect in the "kawaii" culture which personally I don't like much , but probably much less child abuse than in the countries where those tv channels broadcast. And 4) it's a moralistic way to assert (badly hurt) "western superiority". And it also blows my mind.
 
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Frenchy said:
this country successfully rebuilt itself after the war
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With far more assistance from the US than Europe. Since most of this was channeled through GHQ it didn't get the publicity that the Marshal Plan did.

Really the root of the problem with the BBC is related to Britain as a faded empire, especially in this case where British forces were never able to even achieve trading with Japan in the days of Empire and were completely humiliated by Japanese forces during the Pacific War.
 
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Frenchy said:
I think there is often an under-current of jealousy about Japan in western media. Let's face it, like it or not (and very often I catch myself bitching and moaning about Japan too but usually not for the same reasons) this country successfully rebuilt itself after the war and has relatively low crime , low unemployment , relatively more equality than in the west , good services (including public services) and yes... a thriving sex industry. So western media use and distort the latter coz 1) sex sells 2) weirdness sells 3) there is indeed a perv aspect in the "kawaii" culture which personally I don't like much , but probably much less child abuse than in the countries where those tv channels broadcast. And 4) it's a moralistic way to assert (badly hurt) "western superiority". And it also blows my mind.
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I don't think there's really any envy coming from the West.. Foreigners are second class citizens in many ways (especially chinese and koreans), there is real misogyny (wage discrimination, victim blaming, extortion, and just general tone towards women). Japan did a lot of the grunt work, but the economic growth happened because the US came in and structured the post war government, and built them a system for massive economic growth.

Low crime is great, low unemployment is great, but at what cost? Salaries are largely determined by your age, not your skillset. Income mobility is non-existent. There is generally better face to face courtesy, but that's mostly tatemae.

Japan is a great place, but most of what you wrote there is pretty inaccurate.

I agree with you that the media likes to paint Japan as this really weird place with quirky behavior but I doubt jealousy is the main motivation behind it.
 
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but the economic growth happened because the US came in and structured the post war government, and built them a system for massive economic growth.
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Tokyo in 1945:

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TheScientist said:
Really the root of the problem with the BBC is related to Britain as a faded empire, especially in this case where British forces were never able to even achieve trading with Japan in the days of Empire and were completely humiliated by Japanese forces during the Pacific War.
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I've noticed that about BBC documentaries and the "faded empire syndrome" permeates nearly all topics.

Have you ever watched any BBC documentaries about the American Revolution, WWII or even the Falklands Conflict?

Some of the notions they put forward are almost as laughable as Soviet Era propaganda.
 
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