Booking TAG escorts, how far in advance?

[Wwanderer]

Each escort runs a "small business" : whether they decide to outsource some aspects (website, booking process, legal aspects etc) to an agency or not doesn't change the fact that in the end it's one lady and her client in a bedroom. And in both cases if they don't attract clients they don't get paid. And in both cases there can be chemistry or not, good service or not, value or not. Your statement would be more accurate if it was like salaried workers on one side vs independent artists on the other , but it's not the case.

There is something to what you say here, but there is a lot more to escorting than just the direct bedroom interactions with the customers, so it isn't the whole story.

For example, a not so great escort who starts losing business at an agency due to bad reviews or whatever easily can, and often will, change agencies (along with working name, photos and so forth) and pick up a bunch of new customers as "the new girl" from the regulars at her new agency. It is MUCH harder for a indie who has invested time, energy and money in her name recognition (branding), personal website, stable of regulars and so forth to reset her reputation in that way. I have witnessed this happening repeatedly with some notoriously bad escorts in NYC, btw.

Similarly, an escort who is just starting out or who is new in town can have an instant following without actually doing any good work if she can get herself hired by an agency with a good rep. An indie has to build up her reputation by actually being good herself...no relying on the agency's reputation.

In a nutshell, agencies can have their own reputations and regulars onto which escorts can attach themselves for good or bad, but an indie has to do it all on her own merits.

-Ww

 

[Wwanderer]

As I said before, 1 person's experience isn't a stat. I could be lucky with one and unlucky on the other regardless of the real probability.

This.

Fwiiw, I have decades of experience in seeing agency escorts and indies, and my experience is exactly what I said in my post above. There are truly great escorts among both groups as well as not so good ones, but the indies are better on average. Moreover, I've heard many a monger express similar views. As far as I can recall, @Frenchy is the only one I can recall saying that agency escorts are better. I have heard many others say that they are better value though. If you are very price sensitive, agencies may be a better bet for you.

-Ww

 

[User#6517]

He is also by the far the only one who's contacted independent escorts who are not even his type, and wasn't looking for FS anyway..

 

[Anna Summer]

Yes , me too. But usually agency ladies give their schedule in advance to the managers so when they are available it's willingly . Of course I don't talk about forced prostitution here. As far as I could tell the ladies of AM and [Redacted] are not slaves

Even if an escort gives a schedule for the week (which I find rather stupid tbh as there could always be something unexpected happening)
I used to work for an agency in Germany and the first one I was with, you could probably talk about forcing me to take as many guys as possible even if I didn't feel well. I remember briefly that the manager in question made once fun of me when my pet got euthanized and I asked to cancel the date as I wasn't able to be 100% on that day. He called me unprofessional and a child. I had given him me schedule for the week and something unexpected happened.
The other time he tried to force me when I declined to take appointments when on my period.
I wouldn't say all agencies are the same when it comes to their working girls but the agency has to make money as well and I do believe that there is definitely some forcement involved. Whether it be intentional or not.

 

[Frenchy]

He is also by the far the only one who's contacted independent escorts who are not even his type, and wasn't looking for FS anyway..

For social time yes. And I regretted it (for the price I paid, not that it was awfully bad per se), but see this kind of skills is not very obvious to detect on pics and websites...

 

[Frenchy]

This.

Fwiiw, I have decades of experience in seeing agency escorts and indies, and my experience is exactly what I said in my post above. There are truly great escorts among both groups as well as not so good ones, but the indies are better on average. Moreover, I've heard many a monger express similar views. As far as I can recall, @Frenchy is the only one I can recall saying that agency escorts are better. I have heard many others say that they are better value though. If you are very price sensitive, agencies may be a better bet for you.

-Ww

My best and most expensive experience was actually with an indy in Paris. I just think that in Tokyo the agencies (at least [Redacted] and AM, never tried others) provide on average better value than the indies I tried, thats all.
Just booked a [Redacted] escort now for this afternoon , with the lady I want, it took 10mn to do the booking and I know exactly what to expect.

 

[Frenchy]

I have heard many others say that they are better value though.

-Ww

This . I dont believe in "better" or "best" in absolute terms. A Louis Vuitton bag is not necessarily "better" than a Lancel one. Its just more expensive but provides in the end the same function.
Btw I thought when I met Yuriko that she provided great value and she's an independent, so its not all black or white.

 

[Frenchy]

He is also by the far the only one who's contacted independent escorts who are not even his type, and wasn't looking for FS anyway..

By the way you are also by far the only escort I met who initially proposed to do a HJ instead of the second BJ i wanted (not even FS) and who implied I was a racist just because I sang Gold Digger with all the lyrics. For 50k It was pretty horrible value.

 

[Wwanderer]

My best and most expensive experience was actually with an indy in Paris. I just think that in Tokyo the agencies (at least [Redacted] and AM, never tried others) provide on average better value than the indies I tried, thats all.

I wasn't trying to contradict your personal experiences; how could I? I was just stating mine and those that I have heard about and give some of the economic/business reasons that they make sense to me.

-Ww

 

[Anna Summer]

I have the feeling this is ending like all the other threads previously covering this topic.... never ending story

 

[Wwanderer]

Even if an escort gives a schedule for the week (which I find rather stupid tbh as there could always be something unexpected happening)
I used to work for an agency in Germany and the first one I was with, you could probably talk about forcing me to take as many guys as possible even if I didn't feel well. I remember briefly that the manager in question made once fun of me when my pet got euthanized and I asked to cancel the date as I wasn't able to be 100% on that day. He called me unprofessional and a child. I had given him me schedule for the week and something unexpected happened.
The other time he tried to force me when I declined to take appointments when on my period.
I wouldn't say all agencies are the same when it comes to their working girls but the agency has to make money as well and I do believe that there is definitely some forcement involved. Whether it be intentional or not.

Judging from what I've heard from agency escorts there are often such scenarios in play. Even if the owner or manager is a reasonable person who doesn't pressure the escorts too much (but often they do from what I've heard), there is economic pressure on agency escorts to pack as many customers into their assigned shifts as they can manage/tolerate. The pressure is greater on an agency escort because she typically gets less money per customer than an indie (albeit with fewer expenses). It is not hard to understand how this could lead her to give her customers lower quality experiences.

-Ww

 

[Frenchy]

I wasn't trying to contradict your personal experiences; how could I? I was just stating mine and those that I have heard about and give some of the economic/business reasons that they make sense to me.

-Ww

Yes, I understand, and my economic reason (from a client's viewpoint) is just that if X>Y in the price you pay there should be also X>Y in the quality you get , otherwise Y is objectively better.
I must admit that in Tokyo though the situation is a bit special compared to other large cities like NY, Paris, London etc... the "organised" business (agencies, soap etc) is much bigger and competitive (and mostly legal) so that makes the hurdle higher for the independents I guess.

 

[Wwanderer]

I must admit that in Tokyo though the situation is a bit special compared to other large cities like NY, Paris, London etc... the "organised" business (agencies, soap etc) is much bigger and competitive (and mostly legal) so that makes the hurdle higher for the independents I guess.

The rather odd thing about the situation of gaijin mongers and escorts in Tokyo is that they are embedded in this vast p4p market that is mostly for and in Japanese and which they can only access to a limited extent, a very limited extent if they don't speak Japanese. There are escorts, agency ones and indies, who see almost no Japanese customers and those who see many and in between. Similarly for the gaijin mongers. It is a really complicated situation and lessons/patterns from, say, NYC or Paris or wherever only partly apply here.

-Ww

 

[Frenchy]

I have the feeling this is ending like all the other threads previously covering this topic.... never ending story

True, I bow out , will have soon my fun time at great value

 

[Wwanderer]

Just booked a [Redacted] escort now for this afternoon , with the lady I want, it took 10mn to do the booking and I know exactly what to expect.

The part I made bold and underlined is perhaps at the core of the vast difference in our tastes. Predictability is precisely what I DON'T want in a p4p experience. When I want a sexual experience that is perfectly predictable, I can just have sex with my wife!

-Ww

 

[User#8628]

As for getting sick and canceling dates, i would usually tell a guy what the situation is if i'm not 100%.
There are traveling guys who can only meet on one day and never come back, and who dont mind having a bit sore throat on the plane back. They would surely be very upset if i'd cancel though, and in my country we dont see a cold as a real illness and always study and work through it. I think if its not a heavy illness and i'm personally ok with working its best for me to discuss with the client what we should do. As an independent, i personally mail with my clients and make a point of getting things to work as smoothly as possible between us. So if they message me they have already checked in the hotel and i'm free, i'll ask if they wanna move the date to an earlier time. Most guys appreciate it. I'm sorry if i've asked guys if we can move the date to later, i know its rarely convient for them, but i have an active life here in Japan, fully enjoying myself and learning a lot instead of spending my days inside a DH waiting room. Anyway, i try hard to make the scedule that i plan in by myself work, and i do my best not to come late, which cant be said about some agencies (Kagayaki has gotten some heath for this on the forum recently!)

Also i havent really tried it but i'm pretty sure my service would be at least less good when working for an agency because i'm not a high energy person and getting driven around seeing guys in a row would mean i have to divide my attention over them during my limited "shift".
I think i would still be nice but i'd have to town it down a notch for my own good.

 

[Wwanderer]

As an independent, i personally mail with my clients and make a point of getting things to work as smoothly as possible between us. ...

One thing I REALLY like about seeing indies is dealing directly with the escort herself in advance of the appointment and not someone (usually a guy) who is "fronting" for a bunch of different escorts. If such front guys are sloppy or overworked, the customer's questions aren't always answered as the escort would want them to be answered and his requests/preferences aren't always transmitted to her accurately. (And even when they are, she always has the options of saying that she didn't get a message she doesn't want to honor etc.)

It also provides me with an impression of her personality that can build excitement for the encounter.

-Ww

 

[MossBoss]

didn't say anything about who's better than who.

The point I was making was that you recommended three ladies. I assume you have already met these three ladies. Let's say you have met four ladies in total from TAG. Indirectly you are saying the fourth lady should be avoided. This fourth lady might not be impressed by the implication that the others are much better than her.

Anyway, if you give recommendations, you should give some information to back it up.

 

[Yuriko]

Just ask them directly? The guys on the forum aren't privy to the ladies' schedules. Send messages to ladies who caught your eye, explaining your rough schedule and asking if there are any vacant spots on those days/times.

Checking from a week or 2 weeks in advance would be ideal, but by some reasons your schedule has been changed, and you know you can't make it on the reserved date, would be better to let her know as soon as you know you need to reschedule. Some guyz ends up not replying earlier than myself, sending the reminder and they say they can't make it, on the arranged date. That's what we want to avoid the most, which it happened twice today>_<.
So, it's good to think of certain time when to arrange.
Good luck!

 

[e-smile]

Judging from what I've heard from agency escorts there are often such scenarios in play. Even if the owner or manager is a reasonable person who doesn't pressure the escorts too much (but often they do from what I've heard), there is economic pressure on agency escorts to pack as many customers into their assigned shifts as they can manage/tolerate. The pressure is greater on an agency escort because she typically gets less money per customer than an indie (albeit with fewer expenses). It is not hard to understand how this could lead her to give her customers lower quality experiences.

-Ww

I suppose the pressure in agencies doesn't only come from the manager but also from the competition with the other girls.

 

[e-smile]

The point I was making was that you recommended three ladies. I assume you have already met these three ladies. Let's say you have met four ladies in total from TAG. Indirectly you are saying the fourth lady should be avoided. This fourth lady might not be impressed by the implication that the others are much better than her.

Anyway, if you give recommendations, you should give some information to back it up.

I didn't meet any of these ladies and I didn't recommend them, I answered him about whom I would chose and that's because he insisted on asking that after I told him I can't chose for him. Here is the conversation flow :

The burning question is: Which TAG independent should I choose?!?!?

that's up to you, I can tell you whom I'd choose but I would be taking my preferences in consideration, not yours.

Actually, I have mine scouted out finally, but wanted to see responses.

My choices would be @Anna Summer , @User#8628 and @Jennifer Maddingly

 

[Yuriko]

I suppose the pressure in agencies doesn't only come from the manager but also from the competition with the other girls.

There must be alot of competition with other girls, for agencies. Esp. for those not knowing her brand, uniqueness. But in my case, my product is very different from others,.so that I don't really think there is a competition here on TAG. Each person's criteria is different, and I know I can comfortably attract guyz that has matching need with my service. Luckily, it's been steadily going well♪

 

[e-smile]

There must be alot of competition with other girls, for agencies. Esp. for those not knowing her brand, uniqueness. But in my case, my product is very different from others,.so that I don't really think there is a competition here on TAG. Each person's criteria is difderent, and I know I can comfortably attract guyz that has matching need with my service. Luckily, it's been steadily going well♪

Yeah it's completely different, you're living your life normally, you're not spending the day together in a waiting room with all that implies.

 

[User#8628]

There must be alot of competition with other girls, for agencies. Esp. for those not knowing her brand, uniqueness. But in my case, my product is very different from others,.so that I don't really think there is a competition here on TAG. Each person's criteria is different, and I know I can comfortably attract guyz that has matching need with my service. Luckily, it's been steadily going well♪

Yes, i think every girl on TAG is so unique that it totally depends on what type the guy prefers which girl he should choose. No not much competition here.

 

[Yuriko]

Yes, i think every girl on TAG is so unique that it totally depends on what type the guy prefers which girl he should choose. No not much competition here.

Indeed♪