Versailles (SL) Extreme strict foreign policy but with nice girls in versailles

[SealedTears]

I stand corrected. My bad. Weird how it would be the staff that says no kissing and not the girl

 

[MrIchijoji]

After 40 minutes of Google translation I understood the following details.

Look it sucks, but some providers don't want to kiss and it's purely their decision and comfort. It happens, we remember this is again SW, and move on.

It is highly amusing you instead spent 1/3 of your time or roughly 40,000 JPY on Google translate, trying to get her to change her mind.

 

[WagyuManko]

I asked her why she did not want to kiss me, and that was when it surprised me even more because she told me it was a store policy to not kiss foreigners.

This is a little bit cringe, I realize you were inexperienced and probably just didn't know, but if a girl shies away from x, y, or z - leave it lie, don't press as to why not. Just respect their boundaries; remember, you walked in off the street and picked her, she didn't pick you. Doesn't mean you're nasty looking or stink, but there could be any number of reasons she declines kissing - for all you know it could be something as simple as she bit her cheek and has an open sore in her mouth and she wants to ensure safety for both of you. I know it sucks when we can't get everything we want, but it doesn't always mean it's something personal due to you or a slight towards you.

 

[kirayamato]

bare minimum is to get light kiss or a peck. but again it come to the rule : not doing things that the girl doesnt like.

 

[Danbo]

This is a little bit cringe, I realize you were inexperienced and probably just didn't know, but if a girl shies away from x, y, or z - leave it lie, don't press as to why not. Just respect their boundaries; remember, you walked in off the street and picked her, she didn't pick you. Doesn't mean you're nasty looking or stink, but there could be any number of reasons she declines kissing - for all you know it could be something as simple as she bit her cheek and has an open sore in her mouth and she wants to ensure safety for both of you. I know it sucks when we can't get everything we want, but it doesn't always mean it's something personal due to you or a slight towards you.

You are absolutely right, but in all fairness at this pricepoint that's not an easy thing to do.
If you book some cheap session for 25k and things don't work out it is easy to let it slide and forget about it...at this pricepoint you know that it often is a gamble.

If you pay 100k at an absolute high-end shop you would expect a high level of professionalism and service. Being denied most basic things feels off. At least it didn't occour during the session, he was warned before...

 

[WagyuManko]

You are absolutely right, but in all fairness at this pricepoint that's not an easy thing to do.
If you book some cheap session for 25k and things don't work out it is easy to let it slide and forget about it...at this pricepoint you know that it often is a gamble.

If you pay 100k at an absolute high-end shop you would expect a high level of professionalism and service. Being denied most basic things feels off. At least it didn't occour during the session, he was warned before...

Actually that's a good point - I overlooked/mixed up the pricepoint for this shop since I'm reading a bunch of reviews right now, for some reason I was thinking this was a cheaper experience. Yeah, then that is a lot tougher pill to swallow, but like you said it's a gamble and unfortunately you don't always win - definitely sucks for OP in this particular instance, hopefully his next experience (whether it's here or elsewhere) is better; personally I probably wouldn't go back to this shop if i were OP.

 

[txtx]

No I did not misinterpreted, this rule is obviously poorly translated,
I also didn't think this would be about kissing, so I specifically asked for this rule after the service
I have the conversation in Line with the clerk for addition information. the 3 people in this conversation is me, the line translator bot and the clerk (To protect privacy, I blacked out the picture and ID.)

to be honest this was a strange experience for me too, I do like the store, there are a lot of girls to choose from ,
If anyone has a different contact that provides different info, I am more then happy to visit it again, that's why I left "Recommended, May Repeat."

are we talking about deep kiss or light kiss or peck? i don't think the latter two falls into the type of '粘膜行為'.

Anyway, you made your judgement and you spent the money, we all couldn't judge much.

Besides the 'kiss or not' part, do you think the overall experience including provider and shop staff's service level, attitude etc. matches that 100,000yen price point? E.g. the provider may feel sorry of not being able to do something due to shop's policy and try to make you happy in other ways, or she could just show a poker face to you saying it is not possible to do this or that, it's totally different feeling.

 

[hanito]

Another key trend that I have observed is that current AV actresses are very conservative as any health issues would severely impact their filming.

Aika is restarting A1 shooting soon after a brief hiatus.

But we won’t know until a true Yamato blood goes in and lets us know if we are getting discriminatory treatment!

 

[Airnest]

All of this could have been avoided if you just saw Kaoru@Y-Shirts.

 

[thirdman]

Sorry for your bad experience. As an AV star, she is kind of the star of the shop as well, and her schedule is always booked out. She might think this treatment is no problem, as other people will book her.

I went to Versailles once and had a good time. But it is pretty run down, with moldy tiles and peeling paint. It was fun to go once, as it was like time travel to late 80s Japan. But I don't think I will go again. There foreigner tax is only 10,000 yen, but having thought about It, I don't want to support any shops with foreigner tax.

 

[wazxserdc]

Look it sucks, but some providers don't want to kiss and it's purely their decision and comfort. It happens, we remember this is again SW, and move on.

It is highly amusing you instead spent 1/3 of your time or roughly 40,000 JPY on Google translate, trying to get her to change her mind.

To clarify, I actually wasn't trying to change her mind, I fully respect her, I was just curious.
There was a small break between 1Q and 2Q time, since I don't speak Japanese so there is a little google translate time anyways

To expend the conversation a little, the reason I made this post is because aika told me she only gets foreign costumer complain, and she didn't know why some customers didn't fully understand the policy (weather its on her own or the store)

In order to find out what actually happened(Not angry, just curious) and what the actual policy is, I asked the clerk after(who is extremely friendly).

After clearing up all the misunderstandings, we came to the conclusion that person who is in charge with the City Heaven Traveler contact has tried to make this policy vague, maybe there is commission involved with old boss he could not conform. They indeed have received similar complain in the past(with aika and other girls) they are confused at first also. long story short, the person who is in charge with City Heaven Traveler contact has been set to change after my visit.

The timeline would be
I made the appointment one month beforehand, (1/20)
Boss change, Decision of contact been set to change made (1/20~2/14)

Either way, the clerk told me that the store policy currently stands the same, regard of the new boss or old. I believe there maybe new policies coming in the future, but as the current most strict version would be the ones I experienced.

the provider may feel sorry of not being able to do something due to shop's policy and try to make you happy in other ways, or she could just show a poker face to you saying it is not possible to do this or that, it's totally different feeling.

I still had a great time with her, no poker face. As you guessed, she made multiple apologies, there was no problem with her attitude.


Some conversation listed, clerk responded me via his own phone

 

[wazxserdc]

Actually that's a good point - I overlooked/mixed up the pricepoint for this shop since I'm reading a bunch of reviews right now, for some reason I was thinking this was a cheaper experience. Yeah, then that is a lot tougher pill to swallow, but like you said it's a gamble and unfortunately you don't always win - definitely sucks for OP in this particular instance, hopefully his next experience (whether it's here or elsewhere) is better; personally I probably wouldn't go back to this shop if i were OP.

I had a great time with Mao from robodeli. But I'm a little hesitant to write another review

 

[Cinnabums]

But I'm a little hesitant to write another review

You definitely shouldn't let this stop you, I guess some of us came hard on you.

Which review in the last batch has most comments? Yours for sure, use that as motivation!

Also, with some prior research, reading Versailles reviews here on TAG, you would have known many have experienced covered everything prior to you and some of us got luckier.

 

[kusojiji]

To be honest, when I look at this word 粘膜行為

粘膜 - is not mucus itself, but the membrane that produce the "bodily liquid"
行為 - action

See both words combine together? it does not even make sense - the closest thing that I can call this is the clitoris, come on lips and tongue don't generate saliva!
With that said, I can assure you that even Chinese and Japanese themselves don't use this kind of vocabulary unless it is coming from a doctor, its like a biological term

so I strongly believe either :

• this rule is not written in proper japanese (translated from chinese)
• or it is deliberately used to confuse 曖昧な言葉 - an ambiguous word
• otherwise why not just write キスはダメです - kiss is not allowed

I also believe that the main reason you are not getting kiss is because of this condition : 女の子が嫌がる行為もダメです- any act that is irksome to the girl is forbidden.
this is the most unfair condition, you are at the mercy of the girl on how she service you
to top it off there is this rule : you cannot get mad to say or act anything rough, you may send feedback after but there is no guarantee this will improve.

This is a very good report and it can be serve as a good lesson for the rest of us and it makes me question the person who wrote and publish these rules - its showing signs of black shop to me.

I am sorry for your unpleasant experience, thank you for sharing so much for us

 

[ryder707]

No kissing seems a bit weird, I went to Koyuki in November and we did kiss a little. Though there was no DFK, but it was my first time and I was playing it safe. Maybe I could have initiated it but well, too late.

I'm not sure if it's a rule or not, but while on the mat I was told to keep my hands on a certain spot. I wasn't trying anything, but I think I kinda just let my hands drift and she told me to put my hands back. I think it's just a safety thing probably, the mat's slippery as hell so if the guy doesn't stay put it seems like it's asking for an accident.

100k + 10k, sounds crazy, I thought they had a standard 80k + 10k rate.

 

[Cinnabums]

100k + 10k, sounds crazy, I thought they had a standard 80k + 10k rate.

She is diamond class, 100K(no discounts apply) plus 10K nazicharge.

 

[thirdman]

nazicharge.

Tell us how you really feel.

 

[thedog00]

Surprising this happened but maybe depends on the girl, type of class she is on their list, and perceptions of the person based on race.. I don’t know . I’ve been to Versailles a number of times including just a month back with no issues. I’ve done pretty much everything and I don’t bother to ask for NS because it’s not something I want to do anyway and it’s not discussed on this forum. But maybe the new management has new policies but i directly know the girl I’m meeting from previous meets so they’re comfortable with me.

I know Hisyo and Segretario have great gals and honestly, I don’t get all the hype on Japanese AV girls. Maybe 10 years ago when they were fewer and the bar to be an AV girl was much higher. But now seems like anyone can be an AV girl. The bar is much lower and I honestly think that day Mao Minami, Rina Usami from Segretario, or even Moe from Hisyo themselves are much better looking and more pleasant to meet up than a number of the AV girls I’ve met but that’s just me. I’m also Taiwanese-Singaporean so not sure if that makes a difference

 

[yyyter]

Hey op thank you for posting this and sharing your experience. At first I didn't understand some of the stuff you posted because they looked like BS (not the words form you but the words from the shop). However now I see them as the "traps" the everyone would encounter during their p4p career. We all come to the forum to get some insights to avoid troubles or learn the rules, learn from others experience or at least get some info. I think your post achieved this purpose so I respect that.

On the other hand, the impression I got for Versailles from reading posts on this site as well as other site in difference languages, is that it's a more expensive shop compare to other luxury shop while you can be treated randomly (normally or badly). I wish to receive similar level of service in the case of extra gajin tax. Basically as a shop, you can't charge more as well as shrinking your level of service otherwise why not just put a Fxxk off sticker on each and every gajin customer and then welcome them to the shop...

 

[thirdman]

I wish to receive similar level of service in the case of extra gajin tax. Basically as a shop, you can't charge more as well as shrinking your level of service otherwise why not just put a Fxxk off sticker on each and every gajin customer and then welcome them to the shop...

Very well said. Upping the fee and also reducing the service is unacceptable.

 

[internetooo]

To clarify, I actually wasn't trying to change her mind, I fully respect her, I was just curious.
There was a small break between 1Q and 2Q time, since I don't speak Japanese so there is a little google translate time anyways

To expend the conversation a little, the reason I made this post is because aika told me she only gets foreign costumer complain, and she didn't know why some customers didn't fully understand the policy (weather its on her own or the store)

In order to find out what actually happened(Not angry, just curious) and what the actual policy is, I asked the clerk after(who is extremely friendly).

After clearing up all the misunderstandings, we came to the conclusion that person who is in charge with the City Heaven Traveler contact has tried to make this policy vague, maybe there is commission involved with old boss he could not conform. They indeed have received similar complain in the past(with aika and other girls) they are confused at first also. long story short, the person who is in charge with City Heaven Traveler contact has been set to change after my visit.

The timeline would be
I made the appointment one month beforehand, (1/20)
Boss change, Decision of contact been set to change made (1/20~2/14)

Either way, the clerk told me that the store policy currently stands the same, regard of the new boss or old. I believe there maybe new policies coming in the future, but as the current most strict version would be the ones I experienced.


I still had a great time with her, no poker face. As you guessed, she made multiple apologies, there was no problem with her attitude.


Some conversation listed, clerk responded me via his own phone

Bummer I have an upcoming appointment with her later in the month and after reading your experience am now having second thought. Can you maybe eleborate a little bit more on Aika's service during the meeting? Apart from the no kissing and comdom at all time policy(so sadly no bbbj then:'() would you say it was overall a pleasant 2hrs with her? Like yourself I have zero Japanese; i dont mind following rules and taking instruction as long as she can actually do her things,run through the whole SOP, although the idea of using google translation for large part of the meeting doesn't sound so applealing to me.Good to hear you have no problem with her attitute. Thanks for sharing still

 

[qcryp]

Bummer I have an upcoming appointment with her later in the month and after reading your experience am now having second thought. Can you maybe eleborate a little bit more on Aika's service during the meeting? Apart from the no kissing and comdom at all time policy(so sadly no bbbj then:'() would you say it was overall a pleasant 2hrs with her? Like yourself I have zero Japanese; i dont mind following rules and taking instruction as long as she can actually do her things,run through the whole SOP, although the idea of using google translation for large part of the meeting doesn't sound so applealing to me.Good to hear you have no problem with her attitute. Thanks for sharing still

Is this girl like a big AV star or something, I think I'm missing something on the appeal of paying 110k for the girl. I'm sure shes hot and all that, but thats like 2.5x more expensive than other solid options.

 

[Azrael88]

Is this girl like a big AV star or something, I think I'm missing something on the appeal of paying 110k for the girl. I'm sure shes hot and all that, but thats like 2.5x more expensive than other solid options.

Perhaps not but some of the girls at Versailles do JAV.

Some sources here but may not be up to date:
https://www.koukyuderi.jp/special/avjoyu-soap.html
https://www.gokujou.tv/shop/shop-8187/

Yeah I do agree its expensive by Japanese standards, especially when there are other mid-range shops which charge maybe half the price for pretty great service.

But compared to other countries (like Australia, Singapore, Canada etc.), that is still way cheaper than what 'full service' escorts usually charge. Unless you visit a cheap brothel for a quickie or choose an escort from a developing country or something.

 

[chawanmushi]

Long time lurker and beneficiary of TAG's collective wisdom, first time poster.

I had an amazing mat and bed session a few days ago at Versailles and pretty much got unlimited LFKs with my provider--won't name her so as to not set the wrong expectations. Throughout the session we frequently communicated boundaries and ended up having a good time.

Only time I strayed into sin bin territory was when DFKing and I strayed a bit further south . I got a message that anything anal related was off-limits and had a laugh before moving back north across the border. Basically didn't press her on the topic and we moved on.

SEX is コミュニケーション.

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Also forgot to mention the Versailles staff that I dealt with were all super friendly and respectful--failed the Gaijin test pretty much 5 seconds into the confirmation phone call lol.

 

[Cinnabums]

Long time lurker and beneficiary of TAG's collective wisdom, first time poster.

Great and welcome!

won't name her so as to not set the wrong expectations

Not great, all the collective wisdom above didnt teach you that sharing is caring or perhaps this is the first time you read a review on TAG when the provider was named?

My two Versailles visits included either Ayame or Hinano. Expect nothing since those were my experiences!