Going rate for SBs in Tokyo

[Nosophobia2017]

So how does one determine how much to pay a sugar baby. Say a sugar baby says she wants ¥80,000 yen per month for a set number of dates per month and other types of interaction, another says she wants ¥50,000 yen per meet but offers bedtime stories and pussywillow talk. Which choice would you make and why?

 

[jhingy567]

In that situation id just pick the one I liked more (probably the one who does bedtime stories) . I dont think there is a going rate, but I read a few guys here give 50k per meeting.

 

[User#8628]

Just choose the girl you like and if her rate is acceptable to you, do it.

 

[jhingy567]

Just choose the girl you like and if her rate is acceptable to you, do it.

The dilemma guys seem to have is when a girl they really like proposes a rate too high for them.
Counter-offer a lower amount, or just drop her?

 

[User#8628]

The dilemma guys seem to have is when a girl they really like proposes a rate too high for them.
Counter-offer a lower amount, or just drop her?

Well, if you are really not willing to pay her rate, what do you have to lose actually?
She may think you are annoying and stingy but do you really have to keep your pride if you're never gonna see her anyway?
If she is not interested in counter offers, she can simply write a short "no" or ignore it.

I would not recommend guys who actually can and would pay the original price to ask for discounts because it might result in te girl getting away or giving less good service than usual. But if it was a no go for the original price anyway, there is not much to lose.

 

[Lukes]

So how does one determine how much to pay a sugar baby. Say a sugar baby says she wants ¥80,000 yen per month for a set number of dates per month and other types of interaction, another says she wants ¥50,000 yen per meet but offers bedtime stories and pussywillow talk. Which choice would you make and why?

We should collect all these hypothetical scenarios into a single place so no one will ever have to wonder what to do if faced with these very specific cases.

I don't know what pussywillow talk is so I'll take option one for 80,000 yen. Seems like a reasonable price if "other interactions" are what I think they are.

 

[Nosophobia2017]

We should collect all these hypothetical scenarios into a single place so no one will ever have to wonder what to do if faced with these very specific cases.

I don't know what pussywillow talk is so I'll take option one for 80,000 yen. Seems like a reasonable price if "other interactions" are what I think they are.

Then I shall make a thread just for hypotheticals. Hypothetical 1, ..... lol

I’m a hypothetical man. Well I’ll get around to doing it.

So you would go with the 80,000 yen choice. I suppose that choice offers more time with the SB and the potential for other things may or may not be on the table.

Would you pay the 80,000 yen on the first meeting or started after you wholeheartedly trusted the SB will be available?

 

[Lukes]

Then I shall make a thread just for hypotheticals. Hypothetical 1, ..... lol

I’m a hypothetical man. Well I’ll get around to doing it.

So you would go with the 80,000 yen choice. I suppose that choice offers more time with the SB and the potential for other things may or may not be on the table.

Would you pay the 80,000 yen on the first meeting or started after you wholeheartedly trusted the SB will be available?

Well, having actually had some sugar dating experience under my belt, I can say that I probably wouldn't pay the 80,000 in its entirety on the first meet up. I would request the first few meetings be paid for on a per session basis until trust is established. Then we can move on to her allowance being paid out in full each month like a salary.

As for the price, I think 80,000 has some room in it for flexibility on intimacy, depending on how many times you meet per month, for how long and also what other costs are involved.

 

[jhingy567]

Then we can move on to her allowance being paid out in full each month like a salary

so paid in full at the end of the month after she has done the work?
(like every monthly salary I've received)

 

[Lukes]

so paid in full at the end of the month after she has done the work?
(like every monthly salary I've received)

I basically did the opposite. I prepaid and then she had to work off the value over that month by rendering services to me. It's kind of like a statement that I've upheld my end now you do yours kind of thing.

 

[DJnLJ]

I think it would really depend on what you are getting. 80K per month for 3 dates with intimacy? Verse 50K per date of intimacy?
And if you idea is to pay per session why stick to 1 girl as a SB?

 

[Lukes]

I think it would really depend on what you are getting. 80K per month for 3 dates with intimacy? Verse 50K per date of intimacy?
And if you idea is to pay per session why stick to 1 girl as a SB?

That's the big question - what do you get for that 80,000? How many dates, what kind of intimacy, etc. So it's not exactly a straightforward question. But it sounded to me like there'd be intimacy included. From my experience, that much money buys 2-3 dates per month plus some level of intimacy. Obviously there are girls out there that demand much more in payment.

Some people pay SBs a salary, others pay a set amount per date on the day of. It's a matter of preference.

The idea of getting the SB is that you get someone you can establish a genuine connection with and does things other than just have sexy time.

I mean, you wouldn't take an escort to see Star Wars, go to dinner, go back to her place, smoke weed, have sex and then go to sleep and have breakfast with her the next day, would you? No, because it would cost too much and isn't normal. But with an SB it is perfectly normal and costs far less based on how long it took to do all that.

 

[DJnLJ]

To me that would be more the SB route.

Paying per date is way more like just hiring a regular escort IMHO.

Granted, I will freely admit I know next to nothing about this, and find this site extremely interesting because of that.

 

[Lukes]

To me that would be more the SB route.

Paying per date is way more like just hiring a regular escort IMHO.

Granted, I will freely admit I know next to nothing about this, and find this site extremely interesting because of that.

I got interested in sugar dating because of TAG. It's a substantial investment of time and money but the potential rewards are many. It's not for everyone but you could always try a "soft" entry into it by making a short term arrangement with the right girl.

 

[Mischa Maxwell]

Some people pay SBs a salary, others pay a set amount per date on the day of. It's a matter of preference.

The idea of getting the SB is that you get someone you can establish a genuine connection with and does things other than just have sexy time.

In Sydney, the going rate is $500AUD ( 42,709 JPY) per intimate date. Intimate dates typically don't have a time limit imposed on them. Elsewhere in Australia, the going rate is around $300AUD ( 25,600 JPY) per intimate date. Messages, photos (both sexy and platonic) are generally expected in between physical dates. Australian men seem to prefer PPM (Pay Per Meet) arrangements rather than giving an SB an allowance. And I understand that- what if your schedules don't line up or one of you are on holidays?

I mean, you wouldn't take an escort to see Star Wars, go to dinner, go back to her place, smoke weed, have sex and then go to sleep and have breakfast with her the next day, would you? No, because it would cost too much and isn't normal. But with an SB it is perfectly normal and costs far less based on how long it took to do all that.

Well, with an escort, that would be her overnight rate. But it does sound like a lot of fun.

 

[Frenchy]

40k, An escort's overnight rate?! You must be kidding right? At best you get 2 hours , and sometimes just for the privilege to pay her a dinner.
But more importantly , what's pussywillow talk?

 

[Mischa Maxwell]

40k, An escort's overnight rate?! You must be kidding right? At best you get 2 hours , and sometimes just for the privilege to pay her a dinner.
But more importantly , what's pussywillow talk?

No, 40k in Australia could be an SB's overnight rate. (I say 'could be' as it depends on the individual). Escort overnight rates start at 86k and go up from there.

 

[Frenchy]

No, 40k in Australia could be an SB's overnight rate. (I say 'could be' as it depends on the individual). Escort overnight rates start at 86k and go up from there.

Ah ok I see what you meant now "with an escort that would be her overnight rate" referred to the activities described by Lukes, not the 40k price and change that you quoted. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[vargas]

So how does one determine how much to pay a sugar baby. Say a sugar baby says she wants ¥80,000 yen per month for a set number of dates per month and other types of interaction, another says she wants ¥50,000 yen per meet but offers bedtime stories and pussywillow talk. Which choice would you make and why?

I always treat arranging specifics with a sugarbabe as a proper negotiation. I don't date professionals with fixed rates, so the amounts depend on chemistry, attractiveness, expectations, etc.

I've had candidates regale me with stories of men lavishing millions of yen on them in exchange for nothing more than dinner company, but when my reply is "cool! I'm sorry but I won't offer anything like that" they're quick enough to discuss more reasonable arrangements. So I don't take initial offers very seriously, except as an immediate "no" when they're totally unreasonable which is a red flag for me.

All that aside I'd say 30-50,000¥ per date is reasonable to start with for a girl in the 6-8 range in terms of looks. If chemistry is good a monthly arrangement could be anywhere from 2-10x that depending on conditions. Of course if she's young and closer to the 8-10 range it could go a lot higher

 

[Mischa Maxwell]

All that aside I'd say 30-50,000¥ per date is reasonable to start with for a girl in the 6-8 range in terms of looks. If chemistry is good a monthly arrangement could be anywhere from 2-10x that depending on conditions. Of course if she's young and closer to the 8-10 range it could go a lot higher

What do you expect in terms of exclusivity for that amount? Do you mind if she has other SDs? Do you see other SBs at the same time? Just curious....

 

[MikeH]

I mean, you wouldn't take an escort to see Star Wars, go to dinner, go back to her place, smoke weed, have sex and then go to sleep and have breakfast with her the next day, would you? No, because it would cost too much and isn't normal.

No, I wouldn't take anyone to see Star Wars, that's not normal!

In general "When I hear the word normal, I reach for my gun". Especially dangerous it is in a messaging board filled with perverts. But let's take you meant common and go with that.

I am pretty sure you could do most of that with any independent escort; except the weed part because we don't promote criminal behaviour here. It seems to me the only reason why you wouldn't consider it is the cost. So is the SB only a cheaper version of escorting?

Yeah, all this chain pulling is just because I still don't like categorising relationships and telling people what is normal and what's not.

 

[Frenchy]

I always treat arranging specifics with a sugarbabe as a proper negotiation. I don't date professionals with fixed rates, so the amounts depend on chemistry, attractiveness, expectations, etc.

I've had candidates regale me with stories of men lavishing millions of yen on them in exchange for nothing more than dinner company, but when my reply is "cool! I'm sorry but I won't offer anything like that" they're quick enough to discuss more reasonable arrangements. So I don't take initial offers very seriously, except as an immediate "no" when they're totally unreasonable which is a red flag for me.

All that aside I'd say 30-50,000¥ per date is reasonable to start with for a girl in the 6-8 range in terms of looks. If chemistry is good a monthly arrangement could be anywhere from 2-10x that depending on conditions. Of course if she's young and closer to the 8-10 range it could go a lot higher

Very sound approach , and I agree on the ranges you mentioned.

 

[vargas]

What do you expect in terms of exclusivity for that amount? Do you mind if she has other SDs? Do you see other SBs at the same time? Just curious....

Definitely don't expect exclusivity at those amounts. I've always guessed that was available more in the 500,000-1M¥ range, but haven't actually negotiated for it.

I've always liked the idea of having a true, exclusive, mistress, but those days are probably long gone Been my experience that sugar babes aren't very trustworthy in general, be hard to count on any promises of exclusivity.

 

[ur19877]

I mean, you wouldn't take an escort to see Star Wars, go to dinner, go back to her place, smoke weed, have sex and then go to sleep and have breakfast with her the next day, would you?

This sounds like a fablous date. I would get high before seeing Star Wars though, but definitely before sex....

 

[Lukes]

No, I wouldn't take anyone to see Star Wars, that's not normal!

In general "When I hear the word normal, I reach for my gun". Especially dangerous it is in a messaging board filled with perverts. But let's take you meant common and go with that.

I am pretty sure you could do most of that with any independent escort; except the weed part because we don't promote criminal behaviour here. It seems to me the only reason why you wouldn't consider it is the cost. So is the SB only a cheaper version of escorting?

Yeah, all this chain pulling is just because I still don't like categorising relationships and telling people what is normal and what's not.

They have guns in Japan?

And yes, "common" or "reasonably expected" was the intended meaning. No categorization of relationships intended.

I think I said earlier that I viewed sugar dating as a form of P4P. Maybe it's not quite the same as escorting but it kind of is. Just with a non pro that you're also forming a more stable relationship with. And almost everything fun is illegal in America. You can't drink in the park, smoke on the beach (or anywhere for that matter) or pay money for sexual acts.