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Hi, I have some questions about happening bars that I hope you guys can help to answer. I’ve never been before so I’m curious as to where to start. I speak very good Japanese and have been in Japan for a long time.

From looking through this site and elsewhere I’ve narrowed it down to these two:
Bliss Out
Cross Season

I’m hoping to attend as a single guy and to get action, most likely on a Friday night or other week night. I would like to participate in the scene as a regular, assuming the first experience is fairly good.

Which of the above clubs would you recommend in terms of likelihood of getting action as a single guy who speaks good Japanese, especially on a Friday night?

Also what is the etiquette regarding initiating sex with a girl/couple/group in these places?

Thanks in advance for your advice everyone!
 
This is very generic and is mainly about the US swinger scene, so it may be a little off base regarding Japan, but I think it may help you.

The first thing to realize is that "the lifestyle" is as broad and open of meaning as you want it to be.

Exhibitionists, voyeurs, singles, couples, bi-sexuals, heterosexuals, homosexuals, soft swappers, full swappers, and even audiophiles belong to "the lifestyle". Where each person wants to fit in is entirely up to them.

Getting in to the lifestyle is just as varied as the ways one can be in the lifestyle.

For a single female this is as easy as determining what she is interested in and what type of person/people she wants to play with.

For single males it's a bit harder. And they fall in to two categories; those who want to get laid and have freaky sex, and those who are actually looking to get in to the lifestyle.
Those looking to have freaky sex just need to throw themselves out there as often as they can in the old belief that if you cast enough lines something will eventually bite. These are mostly the type that hit up every couple looking for sex and post pictures of their dicks as often as they can.
The guys looking to get in to the lifestyle have a harder time to start out as they need to establish themselves. They go to clubs and parties and meet people just to meet them. They act as gentlemen and treat all the ladies like ladies and all the husbands like friends. It's a much slower method towards "getting laid" but after a single male has established himself in such a manner he is far more likely to get invited to join more people and more likely to find a compatible female in the lifestyle long term.

Couples can come in to the lifestyle in so many ways I can't begin to list them. But I can say that most couples experience the lifestyle at the urging of the male and stay because of the female.

Probably the two biggest issues for couples is communications and overcoming the difference between love and recreational sex.

Communication between a couple is the biggest issue and is one that needs to remain so the entire time a couple is in the lifestyle. The nice thing is that as a couple communicates more they have a better overall relationship in general. You have to be willing to tell your partner your likes, dislikes, desires, and fantasies. And you have to be willing to LISTEN to your partner's. You have to be willing to listen even to the things YOU aren't interested in doing. Nothing says you have to do them, but you have to hear them out.

The difference between love and recreational sex is the hardest initially to overcome. Most people, especially females, are conditioned to believe that you only have sex with people you love. And if you love someone you don't have sex with other people. It's wrong, it's immoral, it's a sin, it's unnatural, hell it's illegal in some places. The truth is that all of these are labels applied by a society that represses sexuality. Getting someone to initially overcome this upbringing is important before continuing with the lifestyle. This is why many people get in to it so slowly, and this is why many people who jump right in jump right out. Before going to the next step you have to understand where you already are and retrain your subconscious mind to overcome childhood conditioning. The interesting part about this is that men are more likely to want to go farther but less likely to handle jealousy while women often have less of a problem with jealousy in the lifestyle but are much slower to go to the next level.

As for anyone interested in getting in to the lifestyle, I recommend off premise clubs. These are a great way to get out and meet others in the lifestyle but since sex is not allowed at the club to not feel there is any pressure to "perform". One important aspect of clubs is to either do a lot of research on the individual club, or to visit a few clubs. Like vanilla clubs lifestyle clubs come in many varieties and attract different crowds. You may go to a club that simple isn't your type of crowd, in which case you should visit a different club.

The North American Swing Club Association (NASCA) maintains a web site at www.nasca.com which has a listing of all it's affiliated clubs.

If you are thinking of joining a lifestyle web site it is important to know which ones are the most active in your area. Either ask people at clubs what sites they belong to, or join several sites on a monthly membership and do searches to see how many people are near you. Sites that do not have some sort of validation system should probably be avoided as there is no way to know how many (or which) people are complete fakes.
 
I wouldn't recommend Bliss for someone who speaks good Japanese, from personal experience i'd only recommend it to people who don't speak Japanese at all and still need a happening bar.
But since its known as a place where foreigners come, that might work in your favor because women could be comming there to meet foreign men. I'm not a "single male" so don't take my advice for granded for it.

I've never heard of the other club you mentioned.
 
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Hi newbie,

For a single guy looking to get action, if you’re looking for one-on-one sex with random girls in my experience 9259 & Retreat are best, and midweek nights are best. Fridays hit & miss, Saturdays high chance of total sausage fest.

Retreat has quite a subdued, conversational atmosphere in the bar, with a physically separate play room and no sex or nudity in the main bar. Most girls who go there are single and many are regulars who go along looking to play. Obviously there are always more guys than girls, and usually the girls will end up taking their pick of the guys available... some might take 2 (or more), but of course some don’t play at all... in short, the maths means lots of guys don’t get to play. As long as you’re decent looking and well presented, if you speak good Japanese you should be able to get action, main thing is to be respectful, relaxed, playful, friendly & approachable. Single girls will often approach and make their interest known, and of course if you think someone’s cute just go and say hello. The play room at Retreat is behind a locked door, and one of the staff functions as the key master on any given night. So in terms of etiquette, you have to pretty clear and invite her to the play room, then you tell the staff you’d like to go through, they always confirm directly with the girl. I think Retreat gets a lot of genuine single female regulars who want to play, because the staff do a good job making them feel safe there, and also because the play room can’t be viewed by random creepy dudes, and if the cops suddenly turn up you’re less likely to be caught directly in the act. So basically, start chatting a girl up in the normal fashion, maybe invite her over to sit in one of the booths together, start talking about sex, and if she’s responding to you, suggest going to the play room. If she’s shy or a first timer, might be better to kiss her in the bar area - when people make out in the bar, the staff will actually soon come over and ask the girl if she’d like to take you to the play room.

9259 has more of a party atmosphere, they play porn on the big screen behind the bar, and you can view the goings on in the play area through little windows. Music’s louder and tends more to rock etc, and people walk around half naked in the bar, and sometimes blowjobs happen in the main bar. In fact every time I’ve been there a girl has at some point got my cock out at the bar. Being a gaijin probably makes this more likely to happen - play along and don’t be shy about it. It’s a much livelier place than Retreat, more fun for drinking, definitely a higher level of drunkenness going on. Etiquette fairly similar, but the play area’s just through a curtain, basically drink in the bar, mingle and chat to whoever, flirt, take them through.

Not much group sex in either place though. I’ve had a 5some (3 on 2) and a gangbang at Retreat, but doesn’t happen that much in there. Sleeping Beauty, however, on the right night, can go off group sex wise, gangbang in the main downstairs bar or whatever. It’s much bigger than other places, definitely a party atmosphere, loud music, tequila shots, sometimes feels a bit sketchy (some dodgy fuckers in there some nights), and sometimes it totally sucks - some of the regular single females seem to be somehow incentivised to be there or something, one time I’m pretty sure I caught a weird look between the girl I was with and the manager behind the bar, like she was getting the ok to play. But when it’s good it’s great, and if you’re particularly interested in playing with couples you’re more likely to find couples looking for MFM in there.

Being a regular definitely helps, especially if you have good rapport with the staff. They will totally hook you up and make introductions if they think there’s a good match e.g. there’s a chick at Sleeping Beauty who works the floor and speaks great English, sees me chatting to a girl will literally come over, get my dick out and give it a squeeze, then say “here you try” and shove it in the other girl’s hand. Works a charm.

Shit, I’m writing an essay, enough for now... will just finish up with saying that Saturdays have always been worst for me, I stopped going. So for your first outing, maybe try Sleeping Beauty or 9259 on a Friday night. Thursdays at Retreat have never disappointed, so try that too. Good luck and let us know how you get on
 
I really really want to try one but I don't speak any Japanese and have no idea about any of the concepts behind happening bars. Does a womans size matter? Does origin matter? I'd totally go with you if you want to pass as a couple.
 
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Being a regular definitely helps, especially if you have good rapport with the staff. They will totally hook you up and make introductions if they think there’s a good match e.g. there’s a chick at Sleeping Beauty who works the floor and speaks great English, sees me chatting to a girl will literally come over, get my dick out and give it a squeeze, then say “here you try” and shove it in the other girl’s hand. Works a charm.

Shit, I’m writing an essay, enough for now... will just finish up with saying that Saturdays have always been worst for me, I stopped going. So for your first outing, maybe try Sleeping Beauty or 9259 on a Friday night. Thursdays at Retreat have never disappointed, so try that too. Good luck and let us know how you get on

I was gonna say exactly the same thing. Sleeping beauty and 9259. I’ve had it up to 3 times a night at beauty (in sequence, not in parallel LOL). Great places
 
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I really really want to try one but I don't speak any Japanese and have no idea about any of the concepts behind happening bars. Does a womans size matter? Does origin matter? I'd totally go with you if you want to pass as a couple.
Looks and size don't matter to get in. There may be some Japanese only places, but none of the ones i have tried.
However, it is important that you have an ID (i believe a lot of places also require a Japanese insurance ID now), and that you speak Japanese. If you want to get in somewhere and don't speak any Japanese, bliss out is basically your only option. Unless you go with someone who speaks Japanese very well (foreigner or Japanese, guy or girl doesn't matter i suppose), then you can get in in more places.

Most bars are gladly to let in any woman, and the entry fee for a single woman is very cheap, and guys may also be happy to pair up with you and let you come for free because i believe one couple pays less than a single guy.

If you get any action? I suppose your chance to score is high. There are a lot more men then women always and usually the women get plenty of attention.
 
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Hi newbie,

For a single guy looking to get action, if you’re looking for one-on-one sex with random girls in my experience 9259 & Retreat are best, and midweek nights are best. Fridays hit & miss, Saturdays high chance of total sausage fest.

Retreat has quite a subdued, conversational atmosphere in the bar, with a physically separate play room and no sex or nudity in the main bar. Most girls who go there are single and many are regulars who go along looking to play. Obviously there are always more guys than girls, and usually the girls will end up taking their pick of the guys available... some might take 2 (or more), but of course some don’t play at all... in short, the maths means lots of guys don’t get to play. As long as you’re decent looking and well presented, if you speak good Japanese you should be able to get action, main thing is to be respectful, relaxed, playful, friendly & approachable. Single girls will often approach and make their interest known, and of course if you think someone’s cute just go and say hello. The play room at Retreat is behind a locked door, and one of the staff functions as the key master on any given night. So in terms of etiquette, you have to pretty clear and invite her to the play room, then you tell the staff you’d like to go through, they always confirm directly with the girl. I think Retreat gets a lot of genuine single female regulars who want to play, because the staff do a good job making them feel safe there, and also because the play room can’t be viewed by random creepy dudes, and if the cops suddenly turn up you’re less likely to be caught directly in the act. So basically, start chatting a girl up in the normal fashion, maybe invite her over to sit in one of the booths together, start talking about sex, and if she’s responding to you, suggest going to the play room. If she’s shy or a first timer, might be better to kiss her in the bar area - when people make out in the bar, the staff will actually soon come over and ask the girl if she’d like to take you to the play room.

9259 has more of a party atmosphere, they play porn on the big screen behind the bar, and you can view the goings on in the play area through little windows. Music’s louder and tends more to rock etc, and people walk around half naked in the bar, and sometimes blowjobs happen in the main bar. In fact every time I’ve been there a girl has at some point got my cock out at the bar. Being a gaijin probably makes this more likely to happen - play along and don’t be shy about it. It’s a much livelier place than Retreat, more fun for drinking, definitely a higher level of drunkenness going on. Etiquette fairly similar, but the play area’s just through a curtain, basically drink in the bar, mingle and chat to whoever, flirt, take them through.

Not much group sex in either place though. I’ve had a 5some (3 on 2) and a gangbang at Retreat, but doesn’t happen that much in there. Sleeping Beauty, however, on the right night, can go off group sex wise, gangbang in the main downstairs bar or whatever. It’s much bigger than other places, definitely a party atmosphere, loud music, tequila shots, sometimes feels a bit sketchy (some dodgy fuckers in there some nights), and sometimes it totally sucks - some of the regular single females seem to be somehow incentivised to be there or something, one time I’m pretty sure I caught a weird look between the girl I was with and the manager behind the bar, like she was getting the ok to play. But when it’s good it’s great, and if you’re particularly interested in playing with couples you’re more likely to find couples looking for MFM in there.

Being a regular definitely helps, especially if you have good rapport with the staff. They will totally hook you up and make introductions if they think there’s a good match e.g. there’s a chick at Sleeping Beauty who works the floor and speaks great English, sees me chatting to a girl will literally come over, get my dick out and give it a squeeze, then say “here you try” and shove it in the other girl’s hand. Works a charm.

Shit, I’m writing an essay, enough for now... will just finish up with saying that Saturdays have always been worst for me, I stopped going. So for your first outing, maybe try Sleeping Beauty or 9259 on a Friday night. Thursdays at Retreat have never disappointed, so try that too. Good luck and let us know how you get on

Excellent post! Thanks for sharing your experience .
 
I wouldn't recommend Bliss for someone who speaks good Japanese, from personal experience i'd only recommend it to people who don't speak Japanese at all and still need a happening bar.
But since its known as a place where foreigners come, that might work in your favor because women could be comming there to meet foreign men. I'm not a "single male" so don't take my advice for granded for it.

I've never heard of the other club you mentioned.
Would you recommend Bliss for a couple looking for a single female?
 
@newbie1, as someone with decades of experience in swing clubs the world over, allow me to recommend saving the considerable money it will cost as as single man to get into a happening bar, and to invest it into a P4P transaction. In the latter, the outcome is guaranteed. In the former, you run the considerable risk of blue balls, especially as a newbie.
 
@newbie1, as someone with decades of experience in swing clubs the world over, allow me to recommend saving the considerable money it will cost as as single man to get into a happening bar, and to invest it into a P4P transaction. In the latter, the outcome is guaranteed. In the former, you run the considerable risk of blue balls, especially as a newbie.

True, besides and even if my experience is very limited, couples usually don’t like seeing plenty of single guys. I can’t speak for single ladies though , but frankly I havent seen many in those places. BYOB! (Bring Your Own Babe)
 
Damn. Any suggestions?
Never been, but based on general experience single bisexual females looking to play with couples are called unicorns for a reason.
@newbie1, as someone with decades of experience in swing clubs the world over, allow me to recommend saving the considerable money it will cost as as single man to get into a happening bar, and to invest it into a P4P transaction. In the latter, the outcome is guaranteed. In the former, you run the considerable risk of blue balls, especially as a newbie.
This suggestion would apply for couples as well, i think.
A couple kissa is not an option because you'll need to accept tha man of the other couple for a fair trade. In happening bars, the girls are a stunning minority and they get to pick and choose. If you'd want an extra guy to join you as a couple, easy. But girls can pick about any guy in the room and give them their lucky day, so why would they choose a couple for who they come second place after the real partner?! They can be the center of attention for the other men.
True, i have found girls in happening bars to be bicurious and usually got to make out with them a little bit, but they would not be interested in entertaining the guy i was with.

If you hire an escort who can handle couples, she'll service both husband and wife as good as she can within her personal limits.
 
Frankly, the Tokyo swing club scene became very tame in recent years. It looked slightly promising 10 years ago. The best is still in Europe (Germany, Netherlands, France) where a night at a (strictly couples only) club is a guaranteed wild orgy.

America? Forget it.
 
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Frankly, the Tokyo swing club scene became very tame in recent years. It looked slightly promising 10 years ago. The best is still in Europe (Germany, Netherlands, France) where a night at a (strictly couples only) club is a guaranteed wild orgy.

America? Forget it.

We've had some good clubs. But sadly right now most of the really good ones got shut down. And the remaining ones are often more of a social swinger club. People go there to dress sexy and flirt and MAYBE some same room sex in the back.
 
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We've had some good clubs. But sadly right now most of the really good ones got shut down. And the remaining ones are often more of a social swinger club. People go there to dress sexy and flirt and MAYBE some same room sex in the back.

Coz you expect CERTAINLY each time?
Then again , BYOB. The scene would get better as a result.
 
We've had some good clubs. But sadly right now most of the really good ones got shut down. And the remaining ones are often more of a social swinger club. People go there to dress sexy and flirt and MAYBE some same room sex in the back.

Last time we went to a club in NYC, it was 10 years ago, they had a friggen TOGA PARTY.. My young Japanese wife, all decked out in garters and nothing on top, was quickly covered with a bedsheet. "What is this," she said, "a frat house????"

Meanwhile, when you search for "Swing Club" on Google, you get this:


 
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Coz you expect CERTAINLY each time?
Then again , BYOB. The scene would get better as a result.

Well, @Frenchy, we know what happens at Les Chandelles, or up and down the beach in Cap d'Agde. If you want to swap, bring something to swap with.
 
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Well, @Frenchy, we know what happens at Les Chandelles, or up and down the beach in Cap d'Agde. If you want to swap, bring something to swap with.
Oui!
Ah, Les Chandelles, Strauss-Kahn’s (« Le Perv ») favorite haunt
 
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