How did you come to terms with participating in P4P?

Just do it man, I’m super paranoid and OCD about STDs, but once you read and study the papers you realize that if you protect yourself the risks are mostly negligible and you can enjoy great experiences. The morality is relative but you’re paying for a service between consenting adults, and it really saves you time. Some people enjoy the ‘hunt’, but trying nampa sometimes is just not worth it... between drinks and club fees, etc... or if you try day-game, the success rate is so inconsistent. With a deli health, you guarantee something and it’s easy, no drama, no blue balls. Just take the time to search a shop and a girl that looks like what you like... I mean there are so many options it’s kinda overwhelming. I wish I had more money... I should start a side-business. :)
 
Am I very naive to think that most providers (esp in Japan) are professional enough not to try to blackmail you,
no, of course you're not. And I'm not really concerned about it for anyone I've met.
But OP seemed to be very worried about the possibility of people finding out, so it's just another precaution he could take. If you're going to make a fake email/phone number, why not go the whole hog and also use a fake name...
I certainly didn't go to such extremes to guard my privacy, even though i probably should have.
 
Just make a new email to contact them if talking about indies. With deli shops you would need a phone but the chances that they call that number after the service are so remote...
 
So I’m in Tokyo a few days (a little over a week) for vacation. It’s become something of a thing for me - having lived here for an extended period in the past, visits are nice (I suspect moreso than for the average tourist). This time I’ve found myself unusually obsessed with the idea of getting some action, and being faced with the reality that I just don’t have the saavy nor the Japanese skill needed to reliably pull from the night life scene in such a short time span, I’m faced with turning to P4P (likely escort or soapland, maaaybe oppai bar but the blue balls aspect seems lame).

I do not judge anyone for partaking and try not to attach morality to P4P, but unfortunately many people don’t think the same way, meaning that once you’ve taken that path, you’re carrying a “secret” of sorts and depending on who catches wind, there may be very real social consequences to be paid.

As such, I’m very close to pulling the trigger, and despite being single (and in theory have no reason to worry) concerns echo through my mind. Probably the chief one is, “What will people back home think of me if they find out?”. I worry most about close (and important) female friends - they’re amazing, bright people who I want in my life, but I don’t know where they stand on this issue and I could see things easily souring if my actions come to light, particularly with the recent rise in social consciousness in the US. And then there’s the whole emotional quagmire of what it means about myself that I went through with all of this, not to mention the judgement that would surely be rained down if my Bible Belt family members somehow found out…

Has anybody else been through a similar ordeal? How did you deal with it? Am I thinking too much about it, or is the worry justified? Should I instead just hit the nearest HUB and pray that through some miracle I manage to pull someone?
My 2 cents: YOLOよ. While I can understand your inner turmoil, trust me on this: more people than you think, do it. As long as you’re not addicted to the level that it starts harming your so called mainstream life. Let’s make the wild assumption that your close female friends find out. They’ll still be in your life if they’re in your life for the right reasons right now. You’re single so it’s not even like you’re ‘cheating’ (for want of a better term). I admire your openness and affinity for good advice before taking the plunge, though.
 
Complicated. But I'm not worried about other people finding out, I'm sure I can keep this to myself. Rather, I'm worried about how much of a cut the Yamaguchi guys are getting; if I'm paying a lovely lady for some company, I'd like her to have the whole cake. From that perspective, the independents seems safest.
Am I very naive to think that most providers (esp in Japan) are professional enough not to try to blackmail you, should they come over your personal information? Separate email, possibly phone, seems to make sense for various reasons, but a fake name as well...?
Soaplands are quite generous about the girl's cuts, its about 70%. Delivery healths give usually 50% as far as i heard but its possible for the girls to earn tips if they want to provide FS and keep those all for themselves.
I'd avoid places like "lovely hand", seems like the girls get a low cut.
With soapland, they also pay the male staff, and with delivery health they have to pay a driver to drive them around. And advertisement is super expensive.
Plus yes, the shops may give some money to mafia organizations but i think that the owners are often not mafia themselves and definitely dont treat the girls badly.

But of course if you want the girl to get everything, independent it the way to go.

As for your personal information, indies and shops usually don't abuse it, but better safe than sorry. A little extra caution isn't bad.
 
Plus yes, the shops may give some money to mafia organizations
FYI EVERYONE pays dues to the local Small Business Association or whatever it is. Don’t want to pay to the yakuza indirectly? Don’t ever eat or drink out, ever. Or shop. For anything.
They are everywhere and utterly unavoidable. The only industries they control more directly are really drugs and extortion. Everything else is generally through real estate or management companies, etc.
 
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Soaplands are quite generous about the girl's cuts, its about 70%. Delivery healths give usually 50% as far as i heard but its possible for the girls to earn tips if they want to provide FS and keep those all for themselves.
I'd avoid places like "lovely hand", seems like the girls get a low cut.
With soapland, they also pay the male staff, and with delivery health they have to pay a driver to drive them around. And advertisement is super expensive.

Without trying to hijack the thread here; totally fine with a business establishment taking some commission along the lines above, I understand there are a lot of expenses to keep the operation running. Just want to make sure no one (but myself :)) is being completely exploited. Seems healthier that way.
 
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Very simple, I made an offer she honoured my offer and for the time amount agreed ....it was on her and off her until we both ended up sweaty and satisfied..... End result...I came to terms with P4P.... Best decision ever.... One way to look at P4P.... You want a service and the SW provides it...the money is for time only...what 2 concenting adults do with that time is between them... You dont have to deal with dating games....thats usually extra fee anyway....:D
 
Very simple, I made an offer she honoured my offer and for the time amount agreed ....it was on her and off her until we both ended up sweaty and satisfied..... End result...I came to terms with P4P.... Best decision ever.... One way to look at P4P.... You want a service and the SW provides it...the money is for time only...what 2 concenting adults do with that time is between them... You dont have to deal with dating games....thats usually extra fee anyway....:D
Wicked!!!! And eloquent, if I may add.
 
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Come to think of it , even if it’s hit or miss, I know I will get some kind of pleasure with P4P. Or at least some expectation of it.
I have more problems with P4N (Pay For Nothing). Like taxes. Or married life.
 
Quick update, I did up going through with it last week. Don't feel like going into too much detail, but I used a service well vouched for here to book an escort. It was a positive experience for me – had a nice chat, cuddled, popped twice in two hours, very satisfied by end of encounter. All in all, probably the most sexually satisfied I've ever been. I do worry that it wasn't enjoyable enough for her, because if I'm being honest I'm terrible at these things, but I'm not letting that bother me too much given that this was my initial foray into P4P.

So far, it hasn't bothered me. In fact, that feeling of being sated carried into the weekend where it (along with a nice meal and a couple glasses of light wine beforehand) helped me keep my cool in an international party I attended. Nothing worth mentioning happened at the party (though I did get approached a couple times and got called an ikemen), but I was able to just exist and be super chilled through the party in a way I've never been able to before. Very zen. Normally I can't enjoy parties without being stupid drunk, and even then it's no good because removing my inhibition awakens my inner thirsty-ass asshole who just gets turned down all night (no wonder). So in summary, as dumb as it might sound, the encounter may have actually improved my game that night (or not? maybe it's placebo effect).

We'll see if this comes back to claw at my conscience later, but for now I'm mainly inspired to find some way to bump my income up high enough to be able to book without having to worry about it too much. Also having had a taste of the women here, I'm feeling a stronger urge to fix up my broken Japanese skills to the point of conversation for pickup, relationships, etc.
 
Quick update, I did up going through with it last week. Don't feel like going into too much detail, but I used a service well vouched for here to book an escort. It was a positive experience for me – had a nice chat, cuddled, popped twice in two hours, very satisfied by end of encounter. All in all, probably the most sexually satisfied I've ever been. I do worry that it wasn't enjoyable enough for her, because if I'm being honest I'm terrible at these things, but I'm not letting that bother me too much given that this was my initial foray into P4P.

So far, it hasn't bothered me. In fact, that feeling of being sated carried into the weekend where it (along with a nice meal and a couple glasses of light wine beforehand) helped me keep my cool in an international party I attended. Nothing worth mentioning happened at the party (though I did get approached a couple times and got called an ikemen), but I was able to just exist and be super chilled through the party in a way I've never been able to before. Very zen. Normally I can't enjoy parties without being stupid drunk, and even then it's no good because removing my inhibition awakens my inner thirsty-ass asshole who just gets turned down all night (no wonder). So in summary, as dumb as it might sound, the encounter may have actually improved my game that night (or not? maybe it's placebo effect).

We'll see if this comes back to claw at my conscience later, but for now I'm mainly inspired to find some way to bump my income up high enough to be able to book without having to worry about it too much. Also having had a taste of the women here, I'm feeling a stronger urge to fix up my broken Japanese skills to the point of conversation for pickup, relationships, etc.

Mazel Tov!!! :)(y):clown: ( the last one I dunno what it means, just found it cool)
 
Hah, of course. I get what you're saying, but if there's any way I can make the experience better for her while still enjoying myself, I like to go for it if I can.

No, dont worry about that . As long as you’re not a stinky blob or a rapist , you’re fine, enjoy!
 
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And we have Asahi Super Dry exiting through nostrils.

Beats the 18 year old Tobermory that is now soaking my shirt. :(
 
I came from a conservative and catholic background (but I'm no bible thumper) and I came to terms with P4P because of; a long dry spell, stress at work, and I wanted to have new experiences (I don't mean to objectify women but each guy has a mental picture of their dream girl/s [My Bucket List: a Teutonic Goddess, a Blonde Angel, and a Yamato Nadeshiko]).

I think if two consenting adults are up for it and the privacy between the two are maintained, then I guess P4P is ok.

In my case I started with a GFE instead of a soapland (or similar establishment) cause I wanted an emotional and intellectual connection with the other person (for allotted time. let's not kid ourselves; this is basically a fantasy with a very short lifespan). So, I went on a date with a tag indy [a Teutonic Goddess] for my first P4P. It was the best sex that I've ever had! And it wasn't just the sex that was great but the experience of meeting someone new and finding out if you have somethings in common (that weren't mentioned on her Ad/Webpage).

I'm getting preachy. I have to cut this short and prepare for my date tomorrow with a Blonde Angel ;)

@jblue, I'm glad you had a great time also.
 
I came from a conservative and catholic background (but I'm no bible thumper) and I came to terms with P4P because of; a long dry spell, stress at work, and I wanted to have new experiences
Haha, in many ways you could've been describing me there. Anyway, good luck for tomorrow. Looking forward to reading about that Blonde Angel :)
 
I have always been fascinated with this field of work. I just didn't have the guts, or sexual maturity to get myself into it before. I think as long as two people have consent and human trafficking is not involved, I don't have any moral obligations against it.
 
You know what ?
I still need to « come to terms » with it when I think the service I got was not worth the price I paid for it. Period.