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But in general, how do you guys would feel if a girl approached you (not trying to drag you into a commission bar) and what would you want her to say?

The last girl I met, approached me and broke the ice. She just simply approached me and wanted to compliment me on something and it just went from there.

I have had some come talk to me that I would have preferred that they didn't, so I just give them the attention and move along without exchanging info, etc.
 
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I would love it. I would encourage women to hit on men. I 've had limited ( but very positive) experiences with reverse nampa in a bar environment.

I also had one strange encounter on the streets of Shibuya in the middle of the day. I was in a daydream standing at the scramble lights waiting for the green walk man to appear. I woke up and noticed a women staring at me. I instinctively looked away. The green man appeared and I crossed the road. I got to the next set of lights opposite 109 near BIC Camera and had to wait again. I turned around and the women was there again and staring again. She stepped towards me and told me that I was very handsome ( I am not). I smiled and said thank you. After an embarrassing silence I asked her if she wanted to grab a coffee - my original plan was to head up to Segafredo for a quick cup of Joe, so I just asked her to join. She declined, because she had other plans. She was 30 something JPN woman, not very attractive (to me at least), with poor English, but I was impressed with her guts to reach out to a foreigner in the street. Who knows where things may have gone if we had that cup of coffee - maybe back to her place, where she and her hubby would have chopped me up into small pieces and pickled me as a a New Years treat, or maybe we would married with two kids.

What to say? Anything really. Smile seductively as you approach. Be quite obvious and direct. We often miss subtle hints and only pick them up when we put our heads on the pillow and replay the video of our night out.
 
Intellectually I agree with all the points in the first post but from experience it's just not that easy to change.

Very true. I'm certainly not trying to say it will be easy or that all you need to read is this post and your issues will be fixed! It is going to take a lot of action and reflection

If 100 guys take your boot camp how many have really changed behaviorally six months later?

On the bootcamp nearly all who take it (and actually listen and try what we are asking) experience massive improvement. Occasionally there is a guy who refuses to do anything or modify his approach in the ways we suggest and then he doesn't progress very much, but that's not surprising. It also matters very much who the guy is. If he's well adjusted and socially savvy and has good fashion, etc, he will likely excel very quickly once we show him how to effectively approach and communicate in a cold approach situation. These guys are the ones who really hit the ground running and start hooking up with lots of chicks quickly. Other guys have a longer path because they first have to learn to be normally social, which can be hard to teach. We get some guys who have social anxiety and even mild aspergers. They literally have difficulty reading other people's facial expressions. Still, these guys improve a lot by the end of the weekend.

Generally speaking alumni fall into a few categories in terms of long term results. There are guys who ride the "bootcamp high" (powerful after effect of the camp) and keep momentum for perhaps a couple weeks and then totally vanish. Other guys meet a girl who becomes their girlfriend either on the camp or shortly after, and they also disappear from the community. These guys basically got what they wanted, and in that sense it's a happy ending. However, they might find half a year or a year later that they didn't get enough identity level change done and thus their relationship doesn't have a strong foundation and they get dumped or it fizzled out. Incidentally, this was my pattern. After being dumped by my Taiwanese model ex who I met on my bootcamp,I really got back into game and everything got better. Looking back, she was definitely not what I wanted, nor was I man enough at that point to keep her interested. Many guys ostensibly want the "super hottie 10s" or whatever but it's much like a dog chasing a car: they wouldn't really know what to do with one if they caught it.

Finally you have the guys who devote themselves to the path totally and go out a ton and improve the most. I would say it takes about 1-2 years of going out with serious dedication and good reflection and advice to get REALLY good at this.. And at that point you should be able to easily pull 50+ girls a year of whatever variety suits you - or, if you don't want that, you should be able to easily find yourself a very nice girlfriend if you like (or two or three).

I would say these three groups are probably about 1/3 of all students each. It really depends on the guys disposition.guys who have a more progress based orientation are the ones who last longer and end up with the really hot girlfriends. Guys with a victim mindset and results based focus and inability to take rejection generally fall off.

A bullet point list of reasons it is OK to approach various girls at the end of the day is likely just useless in bypassing a series of deeply wired emotional responses, dooming most men to failure as far as changing their personality on so fundamental a level goes.

I think "dooming" is a bit strong. If reading a list of why you shouldn't be afraid to approach "dooms" you, you never really wanted it anyway. Anyway, my intention with the OP isn't to cure your mental issues completely - that's quite outside the scope of this post. I would also note that in the post I directly say what you do - make small steps towards being social with everybody and girls in particular.

This is more likely better dealt with as clinically diagnosed phobias (we might loosely group "approach anxiety" in with other social phobias) are dealt with, via "exposure therapy" and an incremental series of encounters over a long period of time, in a variety of situations, and with a view to fully converting to a "will chat up women in any and all situations" mindset.

Yeah, bootcamps are basically rapid exposure therapy. It's important to not also that it's not just theory/frames, nor only right action which is important, but also the very important: reflection. Some guys are pretty bad at reflection and this leads them to continue to make the same bad approach. In this case, AA is NOT the problem - it's the whack approach and subcommunications that you're giving off.

this does not even begin to address the effectiveness of the methods employed (even now I have yet to convert any form of approach into an actual intimate relationship... any Japanese who mentions the phrase "yellow cab" to me can expect an earful!).

Your inability to get a date is not an indictment of the method any more that a random guy being unable to shoot baskets like LeBron is an indictment of LeBron James and basketball as a whole. It's an indictment of your own ability to reflect and implement the method successfully. Anyway, straight up exposure helps if you have AA. There are a million other ways to improve your approach, however. Neglecting those would be unwise. I would add more to help you but it's very hard to diagnose without a bit more detail of what you're doing or seeing it happen directly
 
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How about girls picking up boys?
Do men still see it as manly and unattractive when a girl talks to them first?

I'm a very shy person and also not actively trying to be in the dating scene at the moment (my escort work satisfies a lot of the needs) but just curious.

Not work related too because that could cause trouble with the police, haha.

But in general, how do you guys would feel if a girl approached you (not trying to drag you into a commission bar) and what would you want her to say?

Here, I have no expertise so I comment only as a typical lay (har) male. I would say you could go the direct method as other guys have mentioned, but actually I think this might not be the best way to seduce most guys. Rather, I think something more indirect might be best - making it seem like it's their idea. Simply insert yourself in their life or near them.. You can do this by wandering around "lost" right in front of them or even asking them for directions. You could say you don't have a lot of Japanese friends and would they like to just chat a bit with you. I think even shy men still like to think they are in control and making the move. Of course, if they prove too thick to take the lead, you can always throw that plan away halfway through and come onto them.

Ideally you would calibrate this to what type of guy you think responds best to each. Again - the idea is not to be dishonest but rather to allow him to live the fantasy he wants - through you. If he feels intimidated by a girl asking him on a date he might just not go. Some guys (like me) would certainlyappreciate a direct approach from a sexy lady! But there are other types and you could quickly calibrate before you talk to him depending on which type you think he is. Anyway, just something to think about, again, I have no idea about the validity of this theory since I have no experience with it

But in response to the question of should you do it, I'd say a resounding yes!
 
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I've had quite some succes with just making eye contact and moving close to a guy. I think indeed some guys would be scared off if a girl is too direct..

I think it completely depends. If you hit on a guy like @Sinapse who is on the hunt, you probably take away half of the fun for him. And yes, a super shy guy with little social skills may be overwhelmed by the situation, but I think most men receive that positively. You can still leave it to them to make the next moves like exchanging contacts etc., but with the very same mantra which @Sinapse or @Solong preach, an approach you don't try will almost certainly not lead to a positive outcome. I guess it really depends on how much interested you are in that guy or if you are just looking for some guy ;-)

Just don't be too aggressive, but making contact should be fine.
 
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Regarding females approaching - my ex-girlfriend approached me at an izakaya counter. Maybe she had her reasons for being so bold, but it is something I'll always regard well. She was just about the only the Japanese woman with whom things proceeded straightforwardly without us having met online. But most guys are going to miss 95% of any non-verbal signals and not be quick enough to react to the other 4%, so just striking up a conversation seems wisest.

It's important to not also that it's not just theory/frames, nor only right action which is important, but also the very important: reflection. Some guys are pretty bad at reflection and this leads them to continue to make the same bad approach. In this case, AA is NOT the problem - it's the whack approach and subcommunications that you're giving off.

I'm not seeing how much worthwhile reflection is even possible in most cases. I never hear a word of truth from all these girls procrastinating and ghosting, no matter how enthused they seemed in person. Their real reasons for a lack of or sudden loss of interest I'll never know, so there is all but nothing to work with in so far as improving my methods goes.

Your inability to get a date is not an indictment of the method any more that a random guy being unable to shoot baskets like LeBron is an indictment of LeBron James and basketball as a whole. It's an indictment of your own ability to reflect and implement the method successfully. Anyway, straight up exposure helps if you have AA. There are a million other ways to improve your approach, however. Neglecting those would be unwise. I would add more to help you but it's very hard to diagnose without a bit more detail of what you're doing or seeing it happen directly

The method's effectiveness is predicated on the practitioner being able to approach thousands of times. It's a waste of time to even dabble in this stuff unless that is a realistic option, is it not? Nobody would play basketball if they had a 1% chance just of getting the ball through the hoop I'm sure... though certainly my implementation of the method has been anything but successful.

As I mentioned, I have no idea what's happening myself as all I'm seeing are a bunch of girls who aren't interested or who lose all interest in my existence as soon as they are out of sight. I'm more concerned about the viability, both practical and psychological, of being able to approach the volume of girls required, since at present the whole experience is profoundly demoralising and unpleasant and I am nowhere near the numbers required or any chance of success, it would seem.
 
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How about girls picking up boys?
Do men still see it as manly and unattractive when a girl talks to them first?

I'm a very shy person and also not actively trying to be in the dating scene at the moment (my escort work satisfies a lot of the needs) but just curious.

Not work related too because that could cause trouble with the police, haha.

But in general, how do you guys would feel if a girl approached you (not trying to drag you into a commission bar) and what would you want her to say?
"Do you have a light?"
 
I'm not seeing how much worthwhile reflection is even possible in most cases. I never hear a word of truth from all these girls procrastinating and ghosting, no matter how enthused they seemed in person. Their real reasons for a lack of or sudden loss of interest I'll never know, so there is all but nothing to work with in so far as improving my methods goes.

Girls will very rarely TELL you what you did right or wrong, and even if you ask there is almost always bias involved so you can't really trust it - and in many cases they might not even know, it might just be a vague feeling like "It didn't feel right". I highly recommend for guys who are approaching a lot to write down every single interaction - in a personal journal or somewhere online. Specifically focus on minute details like where she was looking, her pace and how she was walking / sitting / etc, her facial expressions, your body language and her reaction to that, etc. Also note what the conversation matter was, but keep in mind that most men pay too much attention to the content of the conversation and too little attention to the manner in which the conversation is held. Once you're done with that information, write down a few things you did well (always pat yourself on the back for even making an approach), a few things you could improve, and a few things you could have done differently to experiment (for example - "I could have invited her to play a UFO catcher game with me" or "I could have look at her eyes her more/less"). If you do all of that and you still can't get anything to reflect about, I'd be shocked.

The method's effectiveness is predicated on the practitioner being able to approach thousands of times. It's a waste of time to even dabble in this stuff unless that is a realistic option, is it not?

Your question is, for example, if you live in the inaka, should you be spam approaching girls on the street? No, I don't think so. Can you still improve your game in other ways? Yes, definitely. Given that you live close enough to civilization to approach many women, I think its the best way to get over the initial hurdle of making socialization with women you like normal and relaxing rather than stress - inducing. Rather than focusing on some abstract number ("I have to approach 10,000 girls to get good at this") just take it one step at a time, reward yourself for making a single approach, try to learn everything you can from it, apply it and keep trying different things, and do it again. Ideally you should get some pleasure from tinkering with the approach and you can even view it like a virtual reality game where you can do anything (respectful). I often make silly challenges to spice things up when it gets too monotonous. Back in October I carried a pumpkin around and did weird approaches like giving the pumpkin to random girls, or placing it right in front of them on the street and walking away (then going back and getting it). I've approached in kigurumis, I've deliberately put my hair in a ridiculous top-knot tuft thing, I've galloped into sets, I've done entire sets with a strange voice. Making the whole process seem casual - silly, even - while still doing it and learning from it is a good way to take some of the "burden" off it. At the end of they day - it should be fun for you.