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It's been all over the international news that around 50% of Japanese don't have sex. Insane!

http://www.thejournal.ie/japan-sex-problem-2194032-Jul2015/

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/24/asia/japan-middle-aged-virgins/

And there have been numerous reports over the years of Japanese sexless marriages, 30 year old and even 40 year old virgins, lowest sexual frequency among industrialized countries, etc... Even the Japanese government, who is spending millions of dollars to address the problem, is very perplexed. Nobody seems to know what the hell is going on.

So, after several discussions with Japanese and foreigners living in Japan, putting up some theories on why this happening. Feel free to add yours...

The biggest candidate we got for Japan's sexual disaster, overall, seems to be found as variations of Social Anxiety Disorders.

The classical definition is a person afraid that he or she will make mistakes, look bad, and/or be embarrassed. These fears can lead to panic attacks, reacting weirdly to normal situations, and abnormally trying to avoid any situations that will cause anxiety or stress. This includes sex, and romantically meeting with the opposite sex.

Many Japanese put an inordinate amount of pressure on themselves, and sometimes others, to be either perfect or avoid making a mistakes. This can come at a severe price in numerous ways, as some examples below.

Examples of sexual and relationship fears and insecurities that are excessive or arguably abnormal in Japan:

1) Japanese Female Insecurities About Their Vagina

This is excessive insecurities about it's smell, tightness, size, even being "too wet"... This puts a burden on sex as the woman is embarrassed about what is natural, when she shouldn't be.

These insecurities can lead to women avoiding sex, when that shouldn't be the case.

2) Sexual Performance Anxiety

This is related to the above, but often connected to men, where they have strong issues about penis size, endurance, ability to become erect, etc... Their fears and insecurities can become excessive, where they avoid sex altogether.

In the case of women, fear that they will do bad at sex and in combination with a poor body image of herself, can also lead to avoiding sex.

In addition, any past bad sexual experiences or almost sexual encounters, adds to reinforce their negative thinking. A normal person realizes they can improve, things can be different with different sexual partners, or that was just an isolated incident. But people with Social Anxiety Disorders and related paranoia, will often take the most extreme negative reactions.

3) Japanese Female Insecurities About Their Body

Too many Japanese females obsess with being (too) skinny, worried about being too tall/too big, or wanting to be built like a little girl.

Often the ideal body in Japan is what many in the West would consider a prepubescent girl. And Japan has had a long problem of high school and junior high school girls being sexually objectified or seen as ideal.

This ( http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kqk2x8LudM1qz84n6o1_500.jpg )

Instead of adult women ( https://a4-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/119/d2a46077b1fa451cb3e52793ba78efe1/300x300.jpg ), ( https://bigbrainuniversestudios.fil...11/model-of-the-day-sexy-black-girl.jpg?w=614 ), ( https://elevenly.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/20130526-110926.jpg )

This doesn't work for the majority of adult women, with hips and feminine curves. And this also serves a biological purpose, like the ability to get pregnant.

Idealizing such unfeminine or childish body types, can arguably be a reason for increased female infertility by itself, not to mention the psychological issues associated with females hating their own feminine curves or bodies in general.

Over the years, I've seen many Japanese women very conflicted and confused in this regard, beyond anything in Western countries. This affects, what should be simple, like being naked in front of a man.

4) Excessive Fear Of Meeting New People

In Japan, when talking about meeting a new person, too often the worse thing is imagined. They will be murdered, raped, cheated, etc... This fear isn't based on facts or past experience, but often weird paranoia and phobias.

But more subtle fears come into play, like fear of making a mistake or saying the wrong thing, as if a person must present and be a perfect image. It's how you can have a Japanese person study English for 10 years, yet still be at a low level, because they are afraid of talking to people.

5) Trying To Constantly Present A Fake Perfect Image

This is related to the above, but is where the person fears being themself or fears making any mistakes.

This often destroys the possibility of forming deep and strong relationships, and can result in excessive superficiality, materialistic displays, or acting way too fake. Honesty is destroyed.

Being fake and trying to act perfect often burns a lot of mental energy and makes it more difficult to be around people. You often have to limit your time exposure and interaction, to avoid mistakes, and not let people get too close or know about you.

It also can make it very hard for guys to approach women, where their ego can get too wrapped up in trying to be "cool", and to include fear of rejection. To avoid the anxiety and fear of being rejected or making a mistake, some men will almost never approach women at all.

6) Too Poor For Sex

Very related to above are issues with spending money on women. Often Japanese women expect men to pay for everything, and this can reach a point where women are percieved as parasitic or too arrogantly entitled. This may also include financially taking care of women when married. This can be a financial burden many men don't want to accept. They may not have a lot of money, feel they don't want to waste money on women, or feel the entire situation is unfair. Consequently, they avoid women as troublesome, to include the entire spectrum of paying, sex, approaching them, etc...

Paying for sex directly, via prostitutes, can add to the problem even more. Japanese men pay among the highest prices for sex in the world. High prices, can mean less sexual frequency or avoiding it all together (to save money).

7) Sexual Frequency

Sexual frequency has become unhealthily low in Japan, in such a sinister way, that many Japanese don't realize it. Many married couples have sex only 1x or 2x a month, thus are considered virtually sexless. More like roommates, than a sexually active couple.

Sex is arguably related to physical fitness, body image, and mental health. When sexual frequency is low, it's often a reflection of problems in those areas.

8) Living With Parents At 30 and 40

This appears to create a huge problem for Japanese women psychologically. Where they split between a kind of teenager Cinderella princess mind and that of a 50 year old prude woman, versus developing mentally and sexually as a young woman They simply don't grow up and blossom. Instead they arguably can become spoiled and rotten at home.

Mother and Father continually takes care of them like a child. And more, anything sexual is repressed by their old parents. Sex stays icky, like how a 15 year old would think, and she don't realize that when her mother was 25, she was likely a lot sexually different than she is now at 55.

Many things that an adult woman figures out about sex and how to take care of a man, they don't learn.

Multitude Of Sex Related Problems

Japan is hit with a multitude of problems that results in its sexual disaster. While many countries may have a few at low levels, Japan has many sexual related problems at high levels. The future looks bad for Japan, unless more of a social effort to change is made.
 
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Japan is hit with a multitude of problems that results in its sexual disaster. While many countries may have a few at low levels, Japan has many sexual related problems at high levels. The future looks bad for Japan, unless more of a social effort to change is made.

 
50% ? How was it made up ? Including all generation ? 1 year old kids included ? 60 year old ? How about 80?

More than 50% of Japanese don't have sex tonight ? Yeah and that's not a problem at all.

News are not as it really is. News are almost always created by someone who wants to manipulate others.

Watch out for Japanese media. I'm sure it's one of the worst in the world.
 
Try expressing your opinion through typing too.
Why do you care about the supposed Japanese demographic apocalypse? Assuming that your data are correct, it's too late unless the government returns to a Meiji-era policy of discarding the unwanted overseas.
 
Why do you care about the supposed Japanese demographic apocalypse? Assuming that your data are correct, it's too late unless the government returns to a Meiji-era policy of discarding the unwanted overseas.

Your statement is a bit illogical, as Meiji-era crazy policies or xenophobia are clearly not going to help with the lopsided demographics of an aging population or social anxiety disorders.

Why did NASA send a space probe to Pluto? Why do you care so much about Tokyoreporter articles and sex orgies you never been to, when you supposedly only pay women to have sex with you?

Those that live in Japan or are dating/married to a Japanese person, will have curiosity about what's going on around them. Besides this is reported by major news organizations. Ever hear of CNN? So clearly an international discussion, where many in the world community are wondering what's happening/going wrong in Japan.

Understanding Japan's sex crisis has practical purposes for those forming relationships with Japanese. Many, foreigners (man or woman) don't want to be the unlucky person dating or married to a Japanese person that suddenly stopped having/wanting sex. And it can be of great benefit to FILTER out those Japanese that are anti-sexual versus those that enjoy sex. That starts with understanding "why" and the mindset of many Japanese, which is closely aligned with cultural study as well.

I can tell you outright, that understanding this issue can mean finding better and more active girlfriends (or boyfriends for women) or help resolve certain sexual issues/inhibitions that she (he) may have.
 
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So, you could have reduced that tome of a post down to a pithy: "The Fappening: Japan's reproductive rate craters; stocks of soiled schoolgirl undies go unsold in vending machines across the nation"? :bookworm:
 
Your statement is a bit illogical, as Meiji-era crazy policies or xenophobia are clearly not going to help with the lopsided demographics of an aging population
Why not? They could ship all of the oldsters to the Philippines and cut down on pension costs.
 
So, you could have reduced that tome of a post down to a pithy: "The Fappening: Japan's reproductive rate craters; stocks of soiled schoolgirl undies go unsold in vending machines across the nation"? :bookworm:
Why not? They could ship all of the oldsters to the Philippines and cut down on pension costs.

You are just exposing yourself as trolling at this point. Maybe it's time for you to buy another young Japanese lady. I suppose when you pay cold hard cash, who cares about what she thinks or social issues.

Plus, shipping out old people wouldn't address the social anxiety disorders that young Japanese suffer from.
 
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Plus, shipping out old people wouldn't address the social anxiety disorders that young Japanese suffer from.

Why not? Half of your listed problems with the young would be gone with the over-60 set shipped to the Philippines:
  • They'd have to look after themselves
  • There would be more room for promotion in the workplace, therefore more money
  • Working girls would have to lower their rates to compete because a large number of their customers would now be in the Philippines, making P4P cheaper (in your analysis)
You wonder why the Showa set embodied that worn-out cliche of nikushokukei? An entire generation of soul-sucking future buchos died during the war, leaving the very young a clear path upwards on the company treadmill. Success breeds confidence.
 
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I can give you 2 other examples of things things in present Japanese culture, that are highly destructive to meeting new people or creating relationships, that can lead to sex.

1) Trying To Give Perfect Answers To Questions

You can ask many Japanese very simple things like what kinds of foods do you like, what's your favorite colors, what's your blood type, etc... And they can get paranoid, suspicious, or even lie.

They want to give what is thought to be the "correct answer", when there is none and just an opinion. They can get lost, when there is no script or protocol to follow.

This fear of saying something "wrong", often creates a barrier to genuine relationships or any new relationship. Thus reinforcing a bubble world, surrounded by fear and insecurity.

2) Women Who Can't Think or Decide For Themselves, And Have Girlfriends Think For Them

This is often Beta Japanese girls or women being led around by Alpha girls or women in the group. They defer decisions or judgment on guys to the group leader, instead of using her own brain. Often leading to disasters. Because what the Alpha woman of the group or what the group decides, can be bad for her or not fit who she really is.

Social media makes this problem worse than ever. Because many women are engaged in popularity contests with other women or group approval, not being themselves or thinking for themselves. So, Mr. Right/Perfect is more this mythical group female dream, versus her true reality.
 
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The low birthrate in Japan (and resulting demographic problems/apocalypse) is not believed to be due to the low rate of sexual activity by professional demographers. In fact, birthrates are hardly correlated with sexual activity levels in First World countries overall. This (very mildly) surprising situation is due to the fact that only a very small fraction of births are due to unintended pregnancies in modern societies. Birth control technology and abortions are the explanations. In other words, Japanese couples are having just about as many children as they consciously choose/wish to have, regardless of whether they have little or much sex.

Moreover, the birthrate in Japan is not out of line with that of other countries at similar prosperity levels. Have a look at this chart and accompanying data table:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TFR_vs_PPP_2009.svg

Although the point for Japan is not labeled unfortunately, you can find its approximate position by looking up the numbers in the table below the chart. They are a birthrate of 1.21 and a GDP per capita of $34,000. Japan is on the low side of the global birthrate with wealth anti-correlation but not by very much.

For example, Italy and Spain have similar birthrates and GDPs per capita but definitely do NOT have low levels of sexual activity, far from it as anyone who has spent much time in those countries can tell you.

There is also a well established anti-correlation of birthrate with population density. If you include this factor, Japan's low birthrate is very well "explained".

All that said, I agree that the incredibly and increasingly low sexual activity rates in Japan are a serious concern...but for other reasons. Imo at least, too little sex makes a person unhappy and emotionally/psychologically unbalanced. When it is on the scale of a whole culture, it can lead to very serious social dysfunctions.

-Ww
 
the birthrate in Japan is not out of line with that of other countries at similar prosperity levels.

You said it better than I could have. All things being equal, there's an inverse relationship between prosperity and birth rates. The main reason there's a big gap between Japan's population growth (or lack thereof) and the US's or Europe's is that there's a ton of immigration in the US and Europe.
 
My feeling is that Japanese women wait until their mid-late 30's to start looking for a husband, but from where I'm from (US) girls sometimes just out of high school (the Bible belt.....don't get me started) get married and start having kids fast. There are two different types of thinking. Start early and then begin enjoying life after around 45 when the kids are gone or visa-versa. The problem I've always felt with starting late is that you look like a grandfather pushing the little rug rats around in a stroller.
 
The low birthrate in Japan (and resulting demographic problems/apocalypse) is not believed to be due to the low rate of sexual activity by professional demographers. In fact, birthrates are hardly correlated with sexual activity levels in First World countries overall. This (very mildly) surprising situation is due to the fact that only a very small fraction of births are due to unintended pregnancies in modern societies. Birth control technology and abortions are the explanations. In other words, Japanese couples are having just about as many children as they consciously choose/wish to have, regardless of whether they have little or much sex.

Moreover, the birthrate in Japan is not out of line with that of other countries at similar prosperity levels. Have a look at this chart and accompanying data table:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TFR_vs_PPP_2009.svg

Although the point for Japan is not labeled unfortunately, you can find its approximate position by looking up the numbers in the table below the chart. They are a birthrate of 1.21 and a GDP per capita of $34,000. Japan is on the low side of the global birthrate with wealth anti-correlation but not by very much.

For example, Italy and Spain have similar birthrates and GDPs per capita but definitely do NOT have low levels of sexual activity, far from it as anyone who has spent much time in those countries can tell you.

There is also a well established anti-correlation of birthrate with population density. If you include this factor, Japan's low birthrate is very well "explained".

All that said, I agree that the incredibly and increasingly low sexual activity rates in Japan are a serious concern...but for other reasons. Imo at least, too little sex makes a person unhappy and emotionally/psychologically unbalanced. When it is on the scale of a whole culture, it can lead to very serious social dysfunctions.

-Ww

My argument here wasn't less sex = lower birthrate. It looks like you are debating a point that I wasn't specifically making.

My argument is more along the lines that social and relationship issues have caused less sex in Japan, and as reported in the Japanese press, along with the international press.

I've heard your argument parroted before, however it often doesn't take into account the multiple other contributing factors. Japan doesn't have 1 problem, like only decreased sex, but multiple sex and relationship related problems. Japan is not Cuba. Plus other things like birth control, views on abortion, and religion are factors.

Also the argument you are presenting is often nationalistic in nature, where people are trying to defend Japan. This misplaced defense gets in the way of truly being able to see what's going on. There is no need to defend Japan, but rather let's seek to understand what's happening in Japan.

And there are many studies that show a link between sexual activity and pregnancy. It's not like none exist. This link is very logical and intuitive. Less sex = less likely to get pregnant. The math and statistical probability is very solid. Unless we are talking about birth control or practices to block pregnancy.

Nobody debates with the CDC on the link between less sex among teenagers equal less pregnancies (and yes birth control is a factor too).

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/da...-declines-in-teen-sexual-activity-pregnancies
 
You said it better than I could have. All things being equal, there's an inverse relationship between prosperity and birth rates. The main reason there's a big gap between Japan's population growth (or lack thereof) and the US's or Europe's is that there's a ton of immigration in the US and Europe.
Low birthrate doesn't necessarily mean less sexual activity, true. This is usually because of wide spread use of birth control. However, Japan has less sexual activity too. Japan's situation isn't the same as most other countries. Prosperity doesn't usually mean less sex, and this is where Japan is statistically odd.
 
Lads we must mount up and explore the vast range of wild mares that need breaking.
 
Posts containing trolling and personal attacks have been deleted. I've also deleted a few others for consistency sake. Those engaging in the above have also been removed from the conversation for a short time.

Comment on the topic at hand, not in other users.
 
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Low birthrate doesn't necessarily mean less sexual activity, true. This is usually because of wide spread use of birth control. However, Japan has less sexual activity too. Japan's situation isn't the same as most other countries. Prosperity doesn't usually mean less sex, and this is where Japan is statistically odd.

I agree entirely...since it is pretty much exactly what my post said! :)

I also agree with the OP that the apparently/reportedly very low level of sexual activity in Japan is BAD, both for Japanese society in general and for many individual Japanese. Calling it "insane", as in the OP, is about right imo as well. But, again, it is not a major cause of the low birthrate in Japan as far as I can see and according to credentialed experts. In other words, even if the situation changed and sexual activity levels in Japan increased to levels comparable to, say, typical Western European countries, it is unlikely that the birthrate would change much. Japanese couples would continue to choose the number of children they have and use birth control techniques to manage pregnancies.

Fwiiw, nothing in my posts was intended to either defend or criticize Japan or its culture. No normative element was intended.

-Ww
 
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Wwanderer that is true. Unless space is increased in Tokyo and prices decline, zero to 1 child will be the standard here.
 
I don't read all this thread so the point may of been made already

For many Japanese men and women, sexual relations are a pain in the ass. So are human relations in general. You could even put it down to laziness

Mendokusai would be the Japanese word for it

Easier to buy a chihuahua
 
For many Japanese men and women, sexual relations are a pain in the ass. So are human relations in general.

OK, but the interesting question (to me at least) is why. Why are Japanese men and women so different from those elsewhere and from the Japanese of the past (who did not have low levels of sexual activity)? What is happening here that is not happening elsewhere? What has changed in Japan? Etc.

-Ww
 
They are afraid of germs! Sex is germy. Too much moisture, too much sweat, too much stickin the dick in the ass and then to the mouth. Too much! Way tooo much germs! The germ is not cool in the nihon!
 
They are afraid of germs! Sex is germy. Too much moisture, too much sweat, too much stickin the dick in the ass and then to the mouth. Too much! Way tooo much germs! The germ is not cool in the nihon!

That's a very childish and immature view of sex, but sadly there are people that think this way. Humans were not made to exist in a sterile bubble, separated from the rest of the world.

And in fact, your digestive system and immune system needs germs. Germs (bacteria) are used by the body to break down food, and your immune system needs the practice of fighting against germs to keep at it's optimal functioning level. This is why people that try to avoid germs the most, can be those who get the sickest and die the soonest. The more we try to "hide" from/"avoid" germs or overuse disinfectants, the weaker our immune systems can become.
 
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