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whocares said:
Think of it from a Japanese cultural perspective...the Japanese don't have a negotiation culture and also have a culture around face...so offering lots of money for extra services means it eliminates the inherent conflict of a negotiation and means you are likely to say yes which eliminates or reduces the chances of a rejection (which presumably would be shameful).
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That makes sense! That also explains why guys are hesistant to call many girls to find out who can offer the best deal for him, or why some guys wont call a girl even if they think she is pretty.
Guys also avoid calling girls who are together with their friends, probably because they are intimidated and think those girls didn't come there to go out. Some of the girls i know in cafe will be ok to chat with me, but some will tell me to not talk to them, and say that they will hang out with me some other time but that they are there to find guys and that they think they wont get called if we are talking.

A good number of the Japanese guys are definitely very nervous about calling a girl and it not working out.
 
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The Japanese are an interesting people...so much of what they do or don't do is downright impenetrable to a westerner...I mean...I booked a hotel in Kyoto that had the most stringent cancellation policy I've ever seen and then let me book without a credit card...all I can figure out is that a Japanese patron who cancelled last minute would likely show up to pay the cancellation fee in person...like, they can't even see the giant loophole in their system...or that they won't deal with foreigners abroad (I can only assume the shame of getting screwed on one sale far outweighs the benefits of selling twice as much stuff in their minds)...I mean, can you imagine how much money Aritsugu (high end knives) would sell if they would ship internationally or how many millions Ghibli would make with an online store?

Their relationship with women is, of course, very well documented...it did not surprise me at all to learn the giant web of P4P that exists and which might well be the most pervasive on earth...Sure Bangkok has bars and escorts and such...but Japan seems to have like 900 different categories...all of which speaks to a cultural aversion to dating and the realities of rejection...it's like they are stuck in junior high where rejection is literally the worst thing that can happen...why go on a date for 4K (or more) when you can get blown for the same amount and then have fun with your friends? Although it is 100% possible my expectations for a relationship are not what a Japanese person would find enjoyable. I would sooner kill myself than spend six hours drinking with work people after work, after all.
 
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whocares said:
The Japanese are an interesting people...so much of what they do or don't do is downright impenetrable to a westerner...
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Indeed so.

The very unfathomable alienness of Japanese culture (to me) is a, maybe even the, major thing that makes it my favorite country in the world. I dig mysteries and trying to see things from a novel perspective.

"Impenetrable" and "unfathomable" are somewhat exaggerations of course, but it can be truly hard for outsiders to understand Japanese behavior, and as many old Japan-hands will tell you, it is very easy to fool yourself into thinking that you definitely understand something and then later discover that you were *totally* mistaken...riddles inside riddles.

-Ww
 
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Oh absolutely...I say it with some affection...it is a fascinating place...but also one that is just bewildering a lot of the time...I doubt I, personally, could live there as my tolerance for things like "seniority over better ideas" and "rules for the sake of rules" is pretty low...but it's a wonderful place to visit and psychoanalyze.
 
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whocares said:
I would sooner kill myself than spend six hours drinking with work people after work, after all.
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I remember years ago when I first moved to Japan, colleagues were asking me why I don't go to nomikai with them and they were surprised when I honestly answered that I have to go back home to have sex with my wife and that if I get used to come back home after she sleeps she will inevitably have sex with someone else and see me as her room mate who helps with the kids.

although my comment was very basic common sense they seemed struck by it as if they have just realized what marriage was supposed to be and I couldn't help thinking back about their surprise and jealous face when they were saying "iiiiiiii naaaaaaa" for me bringing bento prepared by my wife everyday.
 
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e-smile said:
I remember years ago when I first moved to Japan, colleagues were asking me why I don't go to nomikai with them and they were surprised when I honestly answered that I have to go back home to have sex with my wife and that if I get used to come back home after she sleeps she will inevitably have sex with someone else and see me as her room mate who helps with the kids.

although my comment was very basic common sense they seemed struck by it as if they have just realized what marriage was supposed to be and I couldn't help thinking back about their surprise and jealous face when they were saying "iiiiiiii naaaaaaa" for me bringing bento prepared by my wife everyday.
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Well , probably she should worry more about you now than you about her back then ! ;)
 
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I remember years ago when I first moved to Japan, colleagues were asking me why I don't go to nomikai with them and they were surprised when I honestly answered that I have to go back home to have sex with my wife and that if I get used to come back home after she sleeps she will inevitably have sex with someone else and see me as her room mate who helps with the kids.
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LOVE your answer!!!!!
Wish Japanese could got that in their mind as priority ^^
 
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Doesn't everybody want to be a prostate?
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MikeH said:
One of my friends had a Ford Escort, didn't really like it. Too expensive to keep.
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I just came back from Japan and i didnt really dive into any of the pay for play activities. However if there was one thing that i WOULD be willing to try, it would be this.

Like... if a tinder date goes bad or the girl u pick up leaves afterwards... and ur bored... negotating a 2 hour karaoke date could be fun!!! Sucks u need to be fluent in japanese

This thread was a good read though!!
 
kikoM said:
Hi , i'm french girl studying here in tokyo and i'm currently looking for a sugar daddy.
I saw many of you talking about the subject but i can't find the good websites and ways to find them.
It doesn't matter if he is japanese or not. I just wanna go to payed dates and shopping.
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kikoM said:
Hi , i'm french girl studying here in tokyo and i'm currently looking for a sugar daddy.
I saw many of you talking about the subject but i can't find the good websites and ways to find them.
It doesn't matter if he is japanese or not. I just wanna go to payed dates and shopping.
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Hey! Are you still in Tokyo? My story is a bit long to write it down on here but I just want to say that I know a Japanese sugar daddy in Tokyo who would like an European or Russian. She must be slim and feminine. If you're still here and are interested please add me on LINE [redacted] so we can talk further or if you have any questions. I hope to hear from you
 
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kikoM said:
Hi , i'm french girl studying here in tokyo and i'm currently looking for a sugar daddy.
I saw many of you talking about the subject but i can't find the good websites and ways to find them.
It doesn't matter if he is japanese or not. I just wanna go to payed dates and shopping.
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I hope you found a good SD! Ha ha! It’s hard to find the perfect SB for most of us men.
 
impish said:
An alternative to Sugar Dating if you continue to have problems finding a SD you may want to try the encounter cafes like Cafe Kirari, where men will pay you to go on "dates".

Essentially it works like this, The Cafe is segregated into 2 rooms by gender. The men can see the women through one sided mirror. If a man is interested in you they fill out a form and the shop staff will come bring you to a private room where you negotiate the activity you will do together and a fee for your time during that activity Activities range from going out to dinner, karaoke, drinking to requests for playtime in a love hotel.

Start your negotiation prices a little higher than you want and let the man negotiate down. When I have gone looking for someone to go to karaoke with I typically end up paying ¥3000 for an hour.
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Please tell me i can do this as a guy looking for a SM haha
 
impish said:
An alternative to Sugar Dating if you continue to have problems finding a SD you may want to try the encounter cafes like Cafe Kirari, where men will pay you to go on "dates".

Essentially it works like this, The Cafe is segregated into 2 rooms by gender. The men can see the women through one sided mirror. If a man is interested in you they fill out a form and the shop staff will come bring you to a private room where you negotiate the activity you will do together and a fee for your time during that activity Activities range from going out to dinner, karaoke, drinking to requests for playtime in a love hotel.

Start your negotiation prices a little higher than you want and let the man negotiate down. When I have gone looking for someone to go to karaoke with I typically end up paying ¥3000 for an hour.
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do they accept foreigner as customer?
 
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