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So, having read all the inspirational advice on this forum, I now believe I can do this.

I have zero success picking up women, all my non-paid for sex has been with women who started as friends.

At 40 years of age I've never had a one night stand or approached a women and asked her for a date.

Maybe it's too late to start, but I've never tried before, due to the fear of failure.

Tomorrow starts my journey into a new world...

My first goal will be just to start a conversation with a random woman.

Next, to get some contact details,

Next, to get a date

And lastly to get a shag or two.

I'll let you know how I get on.

Thanks for all the information and advice.
 
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Picked one of the best times for it too. It's so much easier to get girls just before Christmas and valentines!
 
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I started my journey from numpty to king of the Nampas on Monday. I went out dressed in the finest gear Uniclo can provide and hung around in the organic vegetable section of my local supermarket. After a few hours lurking next to the carrots I decided this was a poor location and so went to loiter around the English book section of a local bookstore. Again, this proved unsuccessful as my presence seemed to act like a deterrent, no even passibly attractive women were spotted.
Onto location number three, a cafe, at least hear there was a potential target, but she had her nose in a laptop. I sat next to her at the counter and tried to catch her attention, I stretched, I yawned loudly, dropped things and rustled around in the carrier bag I had put my sandwiches in, but alas I couldnt get her to look away from the screen and I couldn't think of a way to start a conversation. In the end I left, down and defeated, rang jk style and had a great time with a fit bird with super tits...

I will try again today...and tomorrow...

My figures so far...

Number of women talked to: 0
Number of emails obtained: 0
Number of free shags: 0
 
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Lol. Not sure if the organic section is swamped with ladies looking to be picked up.

I think going out specifically to look for ladies to pick up is okay but your hit ratio will be low and you will get demotivated very quickly. To be successful, nampa needs to be your new way of life! You do it in addition to yiur daily routine - buying coffee, or picking up groceries or at the convenient store etc.

Good start tho!
 
I started my journey from numpty to king of the Nampas on Monday. I went out dressed in the finest gear Uniclo can provide and hung around in the organic vegetable section of my local supermarket. After a few hours lurking next to the carrots I decided this was a poor location and so went to loiter around the English book section of a local bookstore. Again, this proved unsuccessful as my presence seemed to act like a deterrent, no even passibly attractive women were spotted.
Onto location number three, a cafe, at least hear there was a potential target, but she had her nose in a laptop. I sat next to her at the counter and tried to catch her attention, I stretched, I yawned loudly, dropped things and rustled around in the carrier bag I had put my sandwiches in, but alas I couldnt get her to look away from the screen and I couldn't think of a way to start a conversation. In the end I left, down and defeated, rang jk style and had a great time with a fit bird with super tits...

I will try again today...and tomorrow...

My figures so far...

Number of women talked to: 0
Number of emails obtained: 0
Number of free shags: 0
My advice would be to directly and actively engage women by initiating a verbal conversation, and not stalking/lurking or haunting an area around them.

1. SMOOTHLY, slowly, and confidently walk right up NEXT to women and start a conversation.

a) You walk up next or to the side of women, as to NOT scare them. If you walk up to their face, the bigger you are, the more likely you are to scare them.

b) Talk about: anything she is wearing (shoes, fingernails, fashion), ask for help about language (works in foreign countries), or anything happening around you (new building construction, car accident...)

2. It's best to approach women who are loitering. That is standing still, sitting, or walking very slowly and appear not in a rush.

Don't chase or run down women (craziness done by some PUAs/Nampa people). Avoid women walking extremely fast and looking like they are late for work or in a rush.

3. If you want to get away with a passive strategy, SIT somewhere with open seats on both sides of you. Like on the train, or bar counter at a coffee shop, restaurant, or club.

This is actually more a way of sneakily TRAPPING women, then talking, as opposed to just being passive, staring, and not doing anything.

Wait for a type of woman that you like to sit next to you. Then you START a conversation with her after 30 seconds or a minute of her sitting down.

Keep in mind that you will have to wait around (time wasting), you are counting on random luck, and it's best to implement in a high traffic busy place. Like a coffee shop where people are coming and going often.

4. Target Sitting Next To Women

Variation of the above, but more active. Can be used on trains, coffee shops, park benches, etc...

Key is don't get fearful or overly self-conscious about doing it. You can also leave some space (or a seat if on a train) between you.

Start a conversation, after 30 seconds. Play with your mobile phone or pretend you are talking on it, to play it off. You delay a bit, so she gets used to your presence and it allows her to run off if she is panicking, so you don't waste your time.

If the conversation starts well, then pretend it's hard for you to hear her, and then ask or just move next to her. If bolder or feeling the vibe, then start by sitting right next to her.

Keep in mind with all more assertive or aggressive strategies, women may walk away or not talk to you. Learn to handle rejection and KEEP going. It's an effeminate trait not to be able to handle rejection or give up easily when something isn't going your way. Men/warriors, persevere through adversity.

Why The Passive Or Passive-Aggessive Strategy Is Often Bad For Men

This passive strategy of being near a person, but NOT talking or too afraid to talk is effeminate behavior that has crossed over into modern male thinking. Men being told or influenced to copy female behavior, due to political correctness or boys being influenced that female behavior is "correct" over traditional male behavior.

The "stalker" tactic isn't effective for men, because when you hang around and near women, and are just looking at them (no matter how slick you may think you are being), many women label the guy as CREEPY.

Many women will become afraid of you, as if you are a rapist or pervert. If you sit or stand near them, stare at them, but say nothing.

Will probably create a thread on this particular theme, but here is what's going on:

1. Women lack testosterone, so are less aggressive and willing to take chances.

That, plus combined with less social and religious acceptability of female sexual assertiveness, women tend NOT to approach men directly.

2. Women therefore tend to simply go near males they are interested in, and try to play it off or seem innocent about it. This is especially important in traditionally religious societies, but also women tend to be more fearful in general.

3. Women are often better at side glances and peripheral vision (documented scientific fact).

Males are usually bad at it, so tend to stare directly or AWKWARDLY, thus creating more suspicion or fear.

4. Women, when standing or near men, have the advantage that their BODY or being DRESSED in a SEXY way, will cause sexual attraction in testosterone laced men around them.

This doesn't work in the reverse. You as a man, don't induce as much sexual attraction, as you do FEAR among women because of your SIZE or her thinking you are a threat to her safety (like a rapist).
 
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Yeah, I've definitely been more of a Leary lurker so far...wouldn't be surprised to see my picture turn up outside the local police box "Wanted, for suggestively holding an organic carrot while grinning at passing women."
 
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Yeah, I've definitely been more of a Leary lurker so far...wouldn't be surprised to see my picture turn up outside the local police box "Wanted, for suggestively holding an organic carrot while grinning at passing women."
Don't be self-conscious about it, get used to having verbal conversations with women.

You don't have to be so getting laid orientated at first, but just genuinely interested to know about her. The first step is getting used to doing approachs.

And don't worry about failure or rejection. The key is having a thick skin and not being so egotistical that you insanely think you can lay EVERY woman you see or take rejection so personal that you are crushed like a little 5 year old girl. After a while and naturally, you will become better and keep improving.
 
Am still very much a numpty at this point. It's like I've read a book by David Beckam about how to take a perfect freekick, but I still can't even kick the ball yet.
 
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Am still very much a numpty at this point. It's like I've read a book by David Beckam about how to take a perfect freekick, but I still can't even kick the ball yet.

If you are still very nervous or shy, it's going to be very hard to self improve even with the best advice. If this is one of the issues you are facing, I would suggest doing it with a friend or drunk out in roppongi. It's not ideal but it will allow you to feel confident and practice a few times so that when you are sober in the day and not drunk, you will remember what you were doing. Its a skill to master but the first step is just quantity rather than quality.
 
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I dont need to be drunk, but something to grease the wheels will certainly help. My mission for tomorrow is simple.
 
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Still very much a numpty at the moment but I was out of Tokyo for two weeks over Christmas, so things got put on hold. Time for a re-boot.
 
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Google "Day Bang" by Roosh V and purchase it. It covers the basics of what you're trying to do here.

I'd recommend against using anything personal to the woman (dress, fingernails, etc.) as your opener. It is much better to open with something neutral and non-personal, such as comments on your setting/environment, on the book she's reading, on the quality of the food/drink, etc.

Asking for help reading a particular kanji or jukugo can be a great way to open initially, but because such an exchange only takes a few seconds, you have to have a very good idea of exactly where you are going as soon as that initial exchange is over.
 
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My figures so far...

Number of women talked to: 0
Number of emails obtained: 0
Number of free shags: -2 (I paid for two)

P4P was invented for people like me :)
 
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A man is definitely welcome to pay for each and every time he ever has sex. There isn't any conflict between P4P or PUA. You can do both, neither, or whichever. I believe men should definitely have the option of both.

The time I was in Germany (a few years ago), P4P was so cheap (on average- 35 euros/$40 dollars/4,500 yen) and they had entire apartment buildings of European women to choose from, that it was almost more convenient than going out dating. Well, then I met these 2 Spanish women... but that's another story, for another day... Anyway, we could blow 35 euro on club entrance charges and drinks. Doing 2 or 3 P4P women on the same night was no big deal. We would do a lady, go drinking some, do another lady, go drinking some more, and do another if any power left... And only out of 70 to 105 euros ($80 to $120 dollars). So it's relative to your income to. For some guys burning up $1,000 dollars (118,000 yen) in Japan P$P for only just sex means absolutely nothing, like throwing away $10 dollars to them, where others that's more than their rent for the month. And it depends how many times you want to have sex in a week. There are guys perfectly fine with sex only 1x a month. Had 2 women at the place this weekend (PUA) and had sex 6X, and relatively free, minus food. In the Japanese P4P scene, probably would have cost me $400 dollars (45,000 yen for unlimited orgasms, but short time) to $2,000 dollars (235,000 yen, due to total of around 20 hours together/overnight with the ladies). But that's me, more into that ROI calculation.

To make PUA work, requires putting in a bit of effort, which some may find too troublesome. If so, that's why P4P works out great for some. But, I would remind, a man can't ever hit a home run, if he never takes a swing. That's just how PUA works.

I would also add that there are intermediate areas between PUA and P4P. For instance Date/Deai Cafes- http://www.deai-cafe.net/tokyo/

Many of the skills that you need to do successful PUA, are needed in Date/Deai Cafes. Usually/most places, the outcome of the interaction is NOT guaranteed. A guy is required to think about which cafe to choose and the area around it, select which woman, talk to and negotiate with her, learn to deal with rejection, figure out places to take her (like choose which hotel). The jump from Date/Deai Cafes, to sarging in PUA, is relatively smaller.
 
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As so often I agree with Solong.

For me, having the Option of both is also a part of my freedom. Financially, as a human being and as a single.

I love it to take girls home after some "pua" if I really like her and the chemistry is right, even better. I enjoy it to have sex that pleasures both sides equally. But then sometimes I just enjoy it to be "the customer". Where it is basically all about your pleasure ( of course there is nothing against being a gentlemen in p4p and wanting to give the woman something). But when I really pay for sex and or some time with a girl, I want it to be about me and my pleasure, if I want the sensual feelings I dig my girls private up and take em home.

I can just confirm the germany thing as I am From there. You can get some great service for just 25 euros (20minutes) there is some scam and some will try to get you out after 5 minutes but let's not put Them all under one bucket.
And when you found a couple of woman, where you know the service is good, you're thinking twice if you want to spend the evening in a Restaurant and going to the movies for 25€ or just hit up the"puff".

A big thing for me also is the aftermath. Sure, there are some girls (pua) who come and leave after the sexing but maybe I am just to nice sometimes. With the annyoing ones it is defenitly easier. But that is the way to natural alpha I guess, eventough I still stay myself.

But in the end I would rather give the p4p up then the pua. It's just to much fun and can get you everything, from a sugarmama who pays everything for you, to your future wife, if it works out that way , over more than a few New social expirience And contacts with many different personalities, that might or might not give you an advance in life. Eventhough it' s just to know how to spot a crazy woman.

Oh about the date Café:
So these are kinda "escort woman" looking for costumers? Or maybe just girls who are willing to have sex for money.

If so, though we are in Japan, is there also a place where the opposite takes place?
 
As so often I agree with Solong.

For me, having the Option of both is also a part of my freedom. Financially, as a human being and as a single.

I love it to take girls home after some "pua" if I really like her and the chemistry is right, even better. I enjoy it to have sex that pleasures both sides equally. But then sometimes I just enjoy it to be "the customer". Where it is basically all about your pleasure ( of course there is nothing against being a gentlemen in p4p and wanting to give the woman something). But when I really pay for sex and or some time with a girl, I want it to be about me and my pleasure, if I want the sensual feelings I dig my girls private up and take em home.

I can just confirm the germany thing as I am From there. You can get some great service for just 25 euros (20minutes) there is some scam and some will try to get you out after 5 minutes but let's not put Them all under one bucket.
And when you found a couple of woman, where you know the service is good, you're thinking twice if you want to spend the evening in a Restaurant and going to the movies for 25€ or just hit up the"puff".

A big thing for me also is the aftermath. Sure, there are some girls (pua) who come and leave after the sexing but maybe I am just to nice sometimes. With the annyoing ones it is defenitly easier. But that is the way to natural alpha I guess, eventough I still stay myself.

But in the end I would rather give the p4p up then the pua. It's just to much fun and can get you everything, from a sugarmama who pays everything for you, to your future wife, if it works out that way , over more than a few New social expirience And contacts with many different personalities, that might or might not give you an advance in life. Eventhough it' s just to know how to spot a crazy woman.

We often could do 30 euro, but would sometimes ask for extras or wanted the hottest one in the building :) A lot of ladies would do anal for 50 euro. Still, good deals overall, relative to the income of most. Not just Germany, but many countries in Europe. Czech and Netherlands were in the 30 to 40 euro range (5,000 yen or less). It's a head scratcher where Japan gets it's P4P price range from. Korea is 50 dollars/5,000 yen range too.

Truth, some women (normal relationships), are very troublesome. Charlie Sheen- “I don't pay them for sex. I pay them to leave.” And this is why I partly fault no man for ever going down the P4P path. Some guys don't want to deal with relationship headaches. There are some women who seem very determined to create absolute havoc and drama, turning relationships into hell. With that typed, the PUA counter move is DUMP the crazy ones and find a better one. Women tend to torture those men with the least options. When a man has options, and shows a willingness to use them, women also tend to behave better. Fear of losing a good thing, and not being able to intimidate a mentally strong man.

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So these are kinda "escort woman" looking for costumers? Or maybe just girls who are willing to have sex for money.

If so, though we are in Japan, is there also a place where the opposite takes place?

1. Date/Deai Cafes have a mix. Lots of amateur women, with some pros. Amateur meaning college girls, housewives, office ladies, and such who go to the Cafes part-time and are out for the adventure or spare cash. Pro meaning those women where P4P is their only job, and often don't have any other job skills.

Consequently what you will see at any given time in a Deai Cafe can be random and unpredictable. What you negotiate with the women is a big "depends". You might negotiate with an amateur woman to spend all night with you, do dinner and a hotel, or evening accompany you to a happening bar. On the flip, a particular woman might not want anything to do with you, as you are not her type or she is holding out for another/better customer (which is a gamble on her part too). Pros at the Deai Cafe, on the other hand, tend to be in a much narrower range. 1 or 2 hours to the hotel for 10,000 yen to 30,000 yen (price depends on your ability to negotiate). The difference between amateurs and pros is usually based on flexibility and vibe. Pros often have a experienced look, "seen it all look", very cold, or business-like edge. Amateurs have a more "following your lead", "going with the flow", and more curious energy/look.

2. They do have the opposite, of women choosing the men. But...

It's not exactly as it sounds. The women don't pay you, they are picking you, then expect you to pay them for the date or hotel. It's for a male ego boost only or cheap thrill, not for gigolos or guys to sell themselves. It's called "gyaku". Talked about a bit on TAG.

http://tokyoadultguide.com/threads/出会いカフェ-キラリ-date-cafe-kirari-shibuya-ikebukuro.6985/page-2
 
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We often could do 30 euro, but would sometimes ask for extras or wanted the hottest one in the building :) A lot of ladies would do anal for 50 euro. Still, good deals overall, relative to the income of most. Not just Germany, but many countries in Europe. Czech and Netherlands were in the 30 to 40 euro range (5,000 yen or less). It's a head scratcher where Japan gets it's P4P price range from. Korea is 50 dollars/5,000 yen range too.

Truth, some women (normal relationships), are very troublesome. Charlie Sheen- “I don't pay them for sex. I pay them to leave.” And this is why I partly fault no man for ever going down the P4P path. Some guys don't want to deal with relationship headaches. There are some women who seem very determined to create absolute havoc and drama, turning relationships into hell. With that typed, the PUA counter move is DUMP the crazy ones and find a better one. Women tend to torture those men with the least options. When a man has options, and shows a willingness to use them, women also tend to behave better. Fear of losing a good thing, and not being able to intimidate a mentally strong man.



1. Date/Deai Cafes have a mix. Lots of amateur women, with some pros. Amateur meaning college girls, housewives, office ladies, and such who go to the Cafes part-time and are out for the adventure or spare cash. Pro meaning those women where P4P is their only job, and often don't have any other job skills.

Consequently what you will see at any given time in a Deai Cafe can be random and unpredictable. What you negotiate with the women is a big "depends". You might negotiate with an amateur woman to spend all night with you, do dinner and a hotel, or evening accompany you to a happening bar. On the flip, a particular woman might not want anything to do with you, as you are not her type or she is holding out for another/better customer (which is a gamble on her part too). Pros at the Deai Cafe, on the other hand, tend to be in a much narrower range. 1 or 2 hours to the hotel for 10,000 yen to 30,000 yen (price depends on your ability to negotiate). The difference between amateurs and pros is usually based on flexibility and vibe. Pros often have a experienced look, "seen it all look", very cold, or business-like edge. Amateurs have a more "following your lead", "going with the flow", and more curious energy/look.

2. They do have the opposite, of women choosing the men. But...

It's not exactly as it sounds. The women don't pay you, they are picking you, then expect you to pay them for the date or hotel. It's for a male ego boost only or cheap thrill, not for gigolos or guys to sell themselves. It's called "gyaku". Talked about a bit on TAG.

http://tokyoadultguide.com/threads/出会いカフェ-キラリ-date-cafe-kirari-shibuya-ikebukuro.6985/page-2
I am gonna do this one of these days just for the experience....there's one right down the street from me......even though my Japanese ability is next to zero.......I can communicate universally at times.....