Policewoman caught working in a fuzoku shop

[RIDER 00]

News about a young female officer caught working extra at a fuzoku shop, most likely a soapland or deriheru. Guess some guy noticed it was her and ratted her out. She was punished for working an extra job and she quit to save herself the shame. Her reason for working there was that she needed the money. Since she's under 20 and at such a traditional Japanese institution, I don't blame her.



Kinda brings this hit song to my mind.

 

[jhingy567]

So police officers in Japan aren't allowed to have a second job? Or was it because of the fuzoku part?

 

[Durg50]

News about a young female officer caught working extra at a fuzoku shop, most like a soapland or deriheru. Guess some guy noticed it was her and ratted her out. She was punished for working an extra job and she quit to save herself the shame. Her reason for working there was that she needed the money. Since she's under 20 and at such a traditional Japanese institution, I don't blame her.



Kinda brings this hit song to my mind.

I hope she goes onto make a shit load of money in porn, or whatever she wants to do.
seems unfair that she has to quit whereas Im pretty sure a significant number of her colleagues use fuzoku services with no negative consequences

 

[RIDER 00]

So police officers in Japan aren't allowed to have a second job? Or was it because of the fuzoku part?

The second job. Most companies ban their employees from it without official approval. That's why many people have second or third jobs in secret.

Of course, the fuzoku part was icing on the cake and she was most likely too ashamed to stay there after the jig was up.

 

[RIDER 00]

I hope she goes onto make a shit load of money in porn, or whatever she wants to do.
seems unfair that she has to quit whereas Im pretty sure a significant number of her colleagues use fuzoku services with no negative consequences

Well, many women have full time jobs and work as escorts/fuzoku girls. So long as they are not caught, no one really cares. Can even be a nice source of tax-free income if it's all cash based and you don't report it.

The issue is that companies don't want their employees tired or not concentrating on their jobs because they work extra. They want 100% dedication.

 

[jhingy567]

The second job. Most companies ban their employees from it without official approval. That's why many people have second or third jobs in secret.

Well then, it sounds like she broke the terms of employment and knew the risks. Bad luck I guess.

 

[BollBoll]

So police officers in Japan aren't allowed to have a second job? Or was it because of the fuzoku part?

In my country, many public service jobs have limitations on what you are allowed to do extra. Anything that could damage the trust in the public institution in question is off limits. I work in a public office ( government agency) and have to tell if asked what other engagements I have.

 

[jhingy567]

In my country, many public service jobs have limitations on what you are allowed to do extra. Anything that could damage the trust in the public institution in question is off limits. I work in a public office ( government agency) and have to tell if asked what other engagements I have.

Yeah standard in many countries. Any current/past sex work, (even if completely legal there) would preclude you from these jobs. But in this case, it sounds like she still would've been punished even if she was caught waitressing on the side.

 

[Sudsy]

So police officers in Japan aren't allowed to have a second job? Or was it because of the fuzoku part?

Police officers are allowed to have outside jobs, provided they apply for (and are granted) permission. A younger in-law is a junior police officer, he also does some side work as a security guard because the starter pay is shockingly low.

They are NOT allowed to engage in activity that undermines the integrity and authority of the badge.

What basically that means is no mizu-shobai work, no fuzoku work, no pachinko work, no working for businesses owned in whole or in part by "antisocial forces".

The woman in question will have violated policy in two ways - working outside jobs without permission, and working in fuzoku.

 

[Sudsy]

Most companies ban their employees from it without official approval.

FWIW, such bans are only legal and enforceable if the employer is paying a "reasonable living wage", the definition of which varies by region because of regional cost of living variance and also by personal circumstance.

A judge in metro Tokyo will typically consider that to be around 90% of the national average, while a judge in Iwate might consider it to be 75%. Using those examples, the national average is around 4.5 million yen annually, so a Tokyo worker being paid less than (roughly) 4 million a year can legally engage in outside employment even if his employer tries to forbid it. A worker in Iwate would need to be making less than 3.4 million a year to be able to freely engage in outside employment. Judges will also adjust that figure depending on whether the worker has dependants or significant debt.

 

[RIDER 00]

FWIW, such bans are only legal and enforceable if the employer is paying a "reasonable living wage", the definition of which varies by region because of regional cost of living variance and also by personal circumstance.

A judge in metro Tokyo will typically consider that to be around 90% of the national average, while a judge in Iwate might consider it to be 75%. Using those examples, the national average is around 4.5 million yen annually, so a Tokyo worker being paid less than (roughly) 4 million a year can legally engage in outside employment even if his employer tries to forbid it. A worker in Iwate would need to be making less than 3.4 million a year to be able to freely engage in outside employment. Judges will also adjust that figure depending on whether the worker has dependants or significant debt.

Then why does my company have that ban in the standard employee rule book? Temp staff and new hires out of college/high school earn less than that, so should I tell them to sue my company for infrinding on their constitutional rights? How much in lawyer fees would they have to pay to get a lawsuit created and this grave injustice rectified?

 

[RIDER 00]

Police officers are allowed to have outside jobs, provided they apply for (and are granted) permission.

Thank you for repeating what I said in a earlier post.

 

[Sudsy]

Then why does my company have that ban in the standard employee rule book? Temp staff and new hires out of college/high school earn less than that, so should I tell them to sue my company for infrinding on their constitutional rights? How much in lawyer fees would they have to pay to get a lawsuit created and this grave injustice rectified?

1) Plenty of companies have unlawful stipulations in their company rules and/or contracts. Nothing new there. I'd be willing to bet if you handed that handbook over to a lawyer, they'd find plenty more.

2) Temp staff are not directly employed by your employer, they are employed by a third party, and generally temp agencies have no such restriction. Many of our temps are working multiple jobs.

3) New hires are within their rights to pursue extra employment if they should so desire. It's not generally advisabe to rock the boat unless they are threatened with termination over it, in which case:

4) They can consult with the labour board and get it sorted out for free.

Thank you for repeating what I said in a earlier post.

I went into more detail than that one sentence that you decided to cherry pick.

No need to pick a fight, Rider.

 

[RIDER 00]

1) I went into more detail than that one sentence that you decided to cherry pick..

Yeah, sounded like you were stroking your ego there.
Anyway, sounds to me the costs vs. benefits don't add up for pissing off your main employer.
There are many ways to keep extra income secret, so it's much easier to just do it the way
many women are doing when they work at night.

 

[Sudsy]

Yeah, sounded like you were stroking your ego there.

I work in HR, remember? This isn't ego anything, this is my bread and butter business. If I felt like stroking anything, I'd really rather just head over to a sekukyaba.

Anyway, sounds to me the costs vs. benefits don't add up for pissing off your main employer.

You seem to be thinking that I'm suggesting people sue over this - possibly because I mentioned judges. I was referring to a labour tribunal, which is not a court case. They're typically much faster, and the plaintiff (employee) doesn't need a lawyer, and there are no costs for the plaintiff. They were introduced a while back precisely to remove the costs associated with standing up for one's rights under labour law, as the most abused employees are generally also the ones who can't afford legal representation.

Honestly, all I would suggest to a low -wage employee in need of extra income is that they ignore the stipulation and do what they need to do if the bills aren't getting paid. No point in picking an unnecessary fight. If their employer finds out they've been engaging in side employment and attempts to terminate them, then a trip to the labour board is in order.

It's also worth keeping in mind that any HR department worth a damn would advise managers to ignore it as long as the employee was performing adequately, since terminating that employee would be a clear-cut wrongful dismissal, and end up costing them a wrongful termination settlement and the cost of replacing the employee and training the replacement.

 

[User#8628]

Well, for all those guys who mentioned before how they want to bang the attractive, young police women, this must be a dream come true, right?

 

[Sudsy]

for all those guys who mentioned before how they want to bang the attractive, young police women

Ummm....

 

[User#8628]

In my country, many public service jobs have limitations on what you are allowed to do extra. Anything that could damage the trust in the public institution in question is off limits. I work in a public office ( government agency) and have to tell if asked what other engagements I have.

I really think this kind of gross discrimination should be outlawed.
Its dismissing people from having a second chance in life and treating them like criminals even while they haven’t broken any laws.

 

[RIDER 00]

I really think this kind of gross discrimination should be outlawed.
Its dismissing people from having a second chance in life and treating them like criminals even while they haven’t broken any laws.

Agreed. It's often the second jobs that are that person's dream job (what they actually want to do) or a good source of income that will give them a chance at a happy life.

 

[RIDER 00]

Well, for all those guys who mentioned before how they want to bang the attractive, young police women, this must be a dream come true, right?

It's too bad that one of her clients or a witness at the fuzoku shop decieded to tell on her. Have they nothing better to do than get all hyped up over a policewoman doing a public service in a "special" way? I bet tons of men would have gone to see her if they knew she had a day job as a cop.

 

[Durg50]

It's too bad that one of her clients or a witness at the fuzoku shop decieded to tell on her. Have they nothing better to do than get all hyped up over a policewoman doing a public service in a "special" way? I bet tons of men would have gone to see her if they knew she had a day job as a cop.

Yep, one of them is here right now!

 

[Lars Lust]

I hope she goes onto make a shit load of money in porn, or whatever she wants to do.
seems unfair that she has to quit whereas Im pretty sure a significant number of her colleagues use fuzoku services with no negative consequences

She was NOT fired, according to the original story. She got one month reduced salary. Seems fair enough to me. She decided to quit. The shame, I suppose. Wouldn’t you?

 

[Sudsy]

She decided to quit.

It's almost a guarantee that she was ordered to resign. Standard operating procedure, as firings are more difficult.

(And FWIW - if you're over ordered to submit a resignation: Don't. Make them negotiate you out.)

 

[Yuriko]

I wonder how much she earned as PO monthly wage? High school, short college grad. education salary can be about 160,000 a month, after tax?

Forget abt police officer job, she'd better come to Tokyo and work for Yoshiwara shop for FT and make enough money!Good that she quits rat race small earning job!

 

[User#8628]

She decided to quit. The shame, I suppose. Wouldn’t you?

I wouldn’t. I’d walk in the next day and dead stare right back at my coworkers.