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Rampage In Fukuoka: 7 Snls In 3 Days!

Well, I make a habit to SUGGEST they leave. It's not even just the fact that they know or suspect it's an option - I actively suggest that if they feel uncomfortable that they can leave - no pressure at all. If they don't even take a suggestion to leave.. I don't really think they can expect much. People aren't mind-readers.

Thank you for responding to my direct request that you address the issue and scenario I described. Actively suggesting that they leave if they seem uncomfortable or offer LMR is a good thing to do imo.

LMR happens occasionally in sugar dating situations t00, though it sounds significantly more common than in PUA/gaming-SNL situations (which is interesting). When it does I generally go further than just suggesting that they leave, depending on the details of the situation. In particular, I will usually break any physical contact and move away from her. I might get up and sit down somewhere else in the room away from her, perhaps with a coffee table or something other furniture between us. I also offer her taxi fare home and put it down somewhere convenient for her to pick up before moving away. If she seems seriously nervous, frightened or conflicted, I will leave the room (perhaps go into the bathroom) and tell her as I go that I will be out of the room for at least 10 minutes and that she should go ahead and leave if that's what she prefers (rarely happens). I also almost always say, LMR or not, that it is ok for us to spend the time in private together without having sex if that would be better for her. Etc.

No doubt you/most will think this is a bit extreme, but I prefer to err on the side of caution for the reasons I've mentioned. Moreover, I don't think it reduces the number of times I have sex much at all and the number of times I have good sex even less. In other words, if the LMR is indeed an insincere act, then the woman's reaction is usually going to be something that makes it clear that she is not actually not objecting. She'll do something like follow me as I move away, laugh and say, "Oh, you are such a gentleman...come back here, silly!" And if the LMR is actually indecisiveness or reluctance, I don't mind taking a pass anyway; I very much prefer an eager and enthusiastic partner to one who is conflicted and not wholly into it.

-Ww
 
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Please avoid mischaracterizing or insinuating about PUA or male interactions with females as if only or mainly sexually aggressive or pushy. This appears to border falling down the slippery slope of characterizing male and female interactions as "rape-y" or the feminist insanity of "all sex is rape".

I also view women as EQUALLY intelligent and as responsible, as men. I don't view adult women as children who are incapable of making decisions...

Thank you also for responding to my request to respond, but reading your post, I have to wonder if you even read it. It starts by saying that I am not talking about PUAs particularly and emphasizes that the situation in question is not relevant to women in general but to those rare cases where traumatic incidents in a woman's past make her less able to express herself in some situations than the large majority of people.

To the extent I understand you and to the extent that your post was intended to address my question, I guess that you are saying that you simply treat all women the same and don't concern yourself about the possibility that they are not all the same and that a few may have serious psychological problems with sexual situations. Well, it is an answer I guess... Or perhaps I misunderstand you.

-Ww
 
You realize that your constant badmouthing of feminism is not constructive to your cause, right?

Maybe... I'm not sure what @Solong 's "cause" or "message" is or at whom it is aimed. Feminism offends and angers many men, unfortunately; some express their feelings about it, and some mostly hide them. Depending on the listeners, his (I agree) very frequent complaints about feminism might or might not be counterproductive. However, they are revealing in any case imo.

-Ww
 
Was responding to Ww. And "all sex is rape" and anti PIV (Penis In Vagina) are famous phrases directly attributed to feminists. I also don't understand why badmouthing feminism should be a problem for me, unless you as a mod are a feminist and it makes you angry. The bulk of what I typed wasn't talking about feminism specifically.

Please listen to Meiji: check yourself before you wreck yourself.

This "all sex is rape", more specifically, heterosexual sex is inherently violent/rape, is the work of a SINGLE feminist from a SINGLE book. Andrea Dworkin was a famous radical feminist who was/is strongly disagreed with by many/most self-identified feminists. In other words, what you are doing is similar to claiming the Westboro Baptist Church's views represents the views of all Christians. This is simple ignorance and doesn't at all help any of your arguments.

Secondly, your overall views on feminism mostly refer to opinions that were key in second-wave feminism (1960-1980s): anti-porn (supported high degree of state censorship), mostly anti-prostitution (wanted to 'rescue' sex workers from ' male exploitation'), etc. By contrast, third-wave feminists (starting in the 1990s) are anti-censorship, pro-female-friendly porn (e.g. Annie Sprinkle), sex-positive, and pro-sex workers rights (pro-legalization).

If I had to guess, I would guess that someone close to you at some point was a second-wave feminist and left a very negative impression, either that or, probably less likely, you are a devout fan of Rush Limbaugh and/or American AM talk radio.
 
Aaaand we're off topic (my fault). We can discuss feminism elsewhere. Back to the thread.
 
I'm a feminist and also very sex positive, but I feel uncomfortable when you talk about last minute resistance.

I certainly don't think all sex is rape, and I know that women like sex too ... and can decide that they want to have sex.

But in my experience if I feel "last minute resistance" there is a reason for it - and I certainly don't want someone trying to coerce me to have sex when I'm not/no longer feeling it.
Maybe I have something else going on that makes me unsure with you, maybe you've said something I don't like, maybe I like you but I'm still uncertain if I want to sleep with you.

This smacks more of "getting women to have sex" rather than "being someone they want to have sex with".

In my younger days I could be convinced and I've had sex I wasn't 100% into - Which doesn't usually translate into very good sex for me - but now I realise life is too short to have bad sex simply to avoid being rude or hurting someone's feelings, or because I do kind of like him and I'm there and yeah I do like sex.

Also for me (and I'm sure many other women) - I find the mental lead up to be vital. I have nothing against one night stands or having sex on the first date - but I'm not going to do it anymore because I have much better sex if there is an erotic dance of seduction, anticipation and arousal - where the erotic tension is so high that all I can think of is how much I want that guy.

I've had dates that had no physical contact (well apart from ostensibly innocent touches) and the guy missed the chance to kiss me (even though he wanted to and I wanted him to) but the sexual tension and anticipation was so strong I was weak at the knees with desire .
When we met again after more flirting and messaging the sex was amazing.
 
LMR happens occasionally in sugar dating situations t00, though it sounds significantly more common than in PUA/gaming-SNL situations (which is interesting).

I'm guessing that "than" is misplaced/unintended..

I will usually break any physical contact and move away from her. I might get up and sit down somewhere else in the room away from her, perhaps with a coffee table or something other furniture between us. I also offer her taxi fare home and put it down somewhere convenient for her to pick up before moving away. If she seems seriously nervous, frightened or conflicted, I will leave the room (perhaps go into the bathroom) and tell her as I go that I will be out of the room for at least 10 minutes and that she should go ahead and leave if that's what she prefers (rarely happens). I also almost always say, LMR or not, that it is ok for us to spend the time in private together without having sex if that would be better for her. Etc.

No doubt you/most will think this is a bit extreme, but I prefer to err on the side of caution for the reasons I've mentioned. Moreover, I don't think it reduces the number of times I have sex much at all and the number of times I have good sex even less. In other words, if the LMR is indeed an insincere act, then the woman's reaction is usually going to be something that makes it clear that she is not actually not objecting. She'll do something like follow me as I move away, laugh and say, "Oh, you are such a gentleman...come back here, silly!" And if the LMR is actually indecisiveness or reluctance, I don't mind taking a pass anyway; I very much prefer an eager and enthusiastic partner to one who is conflicted and not wholly into it.

-Ww

I agree totally, and also do exactly those same things (well, I don't generally offer taxi fare unless I've directly inconvenienced her.. I live near a major train station). I move away on the couch or will sit on another piece of furniture, change the music or change the focus of the interaction away from sexytime and towards something more casual and easy - like a Youtube video or anything else. I'll often leave and go to the bathroom as well, but I don't really make a point to say I'll be gone X minutes.. seems a bit strange to me! In general, this doesn't get written up in "field reports" (this report itself was originally written and posted for a gamer audience on another site, which is why it is full of random usernames that are not TAGers and also has some terminology in it).

I agree that it doesn't reduce the number of times I have sex very much at all, which also leads to the reinforcement of the "LMR" idea. Sometimes they do take me up on my suggestion or presentation of the opportunity to leave - and then I know the resistance was very real.
 
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In my experience if I feel "last minute resistance" there is a reason for it - and I certainly don't want someone trying to coerce me to have sex when I'm not/no longer feeling it.

Yup - there is always a reason for it. But the reason is not always that she doesn't want to have sex. Since you seem to have no problem saying no or (importantly) yes, and you and other women on this board such as User#16452 seem to be very comfortable and unashamed with their sexuality and also very able and willing to say both yes and no, I have no doubt that were you and I in a room it would end up very clear - either yes or no and that is that, and nobody would feel coerced or uncomfortable. However, with many Japanese women (and I'd assume as well with other women who feel some shame/guilt around having sex - because society has told them they should) it often seems like there are two answers - "no" and "maybe". Many Japanese women (from their own testimony and from discussing such things with a ton of Japanese people... and if you watch media it's much the same there) feel that it is proper for them to be demure and modest, and that if they say "yes" easily that they will appear to be an easy woman or a slut and men won't like them. This is why I make this connection between slut shaming and LMR. I think in a very sexually liberated world, LMR wouldn't exist. But, the realities of the Japanese sexual world are not quite that liberated - far less so than it seem you are!

If there is a straight-up no (as you mention you would give, and Japanese women also are very capable of giving), that is very clear and only an idiot would try to keep making moves on a girl in this situation.

Also for me (and I'm sure many other women) - I find the mental lead up to be vital. I have nothing against one night stands or having sex on the first date - but I'm not going to do it anymore because I have much better sex if there is an erotic dance of seduction, anticipation and arousal - where the erotic tension is so high that all I can think of is how much I want that guy.

I've had dates that had no physical contact (well apart from ostensibly innocent touches) and the guy missed the chance to kiss me (even though he wanted to and I wanted him to) but the sexual tension and anticipation was so strong I was weak at the knees with desire .
When we met again after more flirting and messaging the sex was amazing.

I very much agree that the mental lead up IS vital. Much of game, at least the way I understand and try to convey it, is improving the speed at which you reach honest communication. In general, the reason it takes longer with non-gamers to get to the point of sex is that (mostly) men aren't naturally very good at putting themselves on the line honestly and communicating the real meat of who they are and learning the same about women. Rather, they try to communicate what they think women will like. They try to show off the best parts of themselves and avoid taking any controversial positions that might turn the girl off. Well, I'm quite the opposite. I try to be so radically honest that anyone who wouldn't like me knows this right away. This leads to many women telling me that I know them better than many of their best friends, all after only a couple-hour date or conversation.

A critical part of what we teach is the concept of cutting deeper, which essentially just means skipping the meaningless fluff conversation and getting to the heart of who you both are and what you are doing there - what forces created you and what drives you. You do this by eliciting values and going there first (these concepts could be broken down much more, but this post is already wordy.. so I'll save it). Many guys will guide a conversation through a series of milquetoast topics and end the date knowing relatively very little about the dynamic person who was sat across from them the whole night! Fundamentally, this comes from fear of losing the woman and scarcity. In other words, playing "not to lose" rather than playing to win. As a man, this stems from the fear of rejection. If men can conquer that fear and put their balls on the line, communicate honestly, and yes, face that rejection head on, they may be rejected by some women, but the women who like them will LOVE them.

Men first must accept the fact that their ego defense mechanisms and fear of rejection are what is messing them up and preventing them from expressing themselves honestly and finding a mate who is truly compatible with them rather than superficially compatible with them. Once they accept this, they are open to learning how to communicate more honestly and put themselves on the line.

Anyway my point here is that the "erotic dance of seduction" and the "mental lead up" - well this is very much what we do and excel at. If a guy is bumbling around the interaction and trying to avoid putting his balls on the line and really discovering who the girl is and showing who he TRULY is instead of who he wants her to think he is - it will take more time for the two people to actually know each other and thus, feel attracted to each other. Basically, by learning game men can learn how to speed up the process of "getting to know each other".

"Super powerful tips" and "tricks to get her into bed" are simultaneously clickbait for guys who want "magic pill" change and a MASSIVE lightning rod for everyone to (rightfully, in this case) hate on pickup. The reality is much less glamorous but much more understandable, if people took the time to realize it. In order to really understand why pickup is seen so negatively, we have to honestly look at why guys WANT "powerful tricks" to seduce women (because they don't believe they are attractive or could be attractive by themselves) and where that marketing urge comes from. Next, you have to look at what the pickup company / guru ACTUALLY says. Essentially, if they "bait and switch" using the lure of magic pill type marketing for actual deep identity-level change and hard work improving yourself and your game - that, I think is commendable. However, if (like the case of David Bond) they are actually trying to sell a bunch of "tricks" that's slimy and worse - ineffective. This is all getting pretty complicated and "meta", but I think it's a good line of thought to have more complex views than something simple like "pickup = bad" which doesn't really recognize that pickup, at its soul, is about connecting with humans better.
 
Yup - there is always a reason for it. But the reason is not always that she doesn't want to have sex. Since you seem to have no problem saying no or (importantly) yes, and you and other women on this board such as User#16452 seem to be very comfortable and unashamed with their sexuality and also very able and willing to say both yes and no, I have no doubt that were you and I in a room it would end up very clear - either yes or no and that is that, and nobody would feel coerced or uncomfortable. However, with many Japanese women (and I'd assume as well with other women who feel some shame/guilt around having sex - because society has told them they should) it often seems like there are two answers - "no" and "maybe". Many Japanese women (from their own testimony and from discussing such things with a ton of Japanese people... and if you watch media it's much the same there) feel that it is proper for them to be demure and modest, and that if they say "yes" easily that they will appear to be an easy woman or a slut and men won't like them. This is why I make this connection between slut shaming and LMR. I think in a very sexually liberated world, LMR wouldn't exist. But, the realities of the Japanese sexual world are not quite that liberated - far less so than it seem you are!

If there is a straight-up no (as you mention you would give, and Japanese women also are very capable of giving), that is very clear and only an idiot would try to keep making moves on a girl in this situation.



I very much agree that the mental lead up IS vital. Much of game, at least the way I understand and try to convey it, is improving the speed at which you reach honest communication. In general, the reason it takes longer with non-gamers to get to the point of sex is that (mostly) men aren't naturally very good at putting themselves on the line honestly and communicating the real meat of who they are and learning the same about women. Rather, they try to communicate what they think women will like. They try to show off the best parts of themselves and avoid taking any controversial positions that might turn the girl off. Well, I'm quite the opposite. I try to be so radically honest that anyone who wouldn't like me knows this right away. This leads to many women telling me that I know them better than many of their best friends, all after only a couple-hour date or conversation.

A critical part of what we teach is the concept of cutting deeper, which essentially just means skipping the meaningless fluff conversation and getting to the heart of who you both are and what you are doing there - what forces created you and what drives you. You do this by eliciting values and going there first (these concepts could be broken down much more, but this post is already wordy.. so I'll save it). Many guys will guide a conversation through a series of milquetoast topics and end the date knowing relatively very little about the dynamic person who was sat across from them the whole night! Fundamentally, this comes from fear of losing the woman and scarcity. In other words, playing "not to lose" rather than playing to win. As a man, this stems from the fear of rejection. If men can conquer that fear and put their balls on the line, communicate honestly, and yes, face that rejection head on, they may be rejected by some women, but the women who like them will LOVE them.

Men first must accept the fact that their ego defense mechanisms and fear of rejection are what is messing them up and preventing them from expressing themselves honestly and finding a mate who is truly compatible with them rather than superficially compatible with them. Once they accept this, they are open to learning how to communicate more honestly and put themselves on the line.

Anyway my point here is that the "erotic dance of seduction" and the "mental lead up" - well this is very much what we do and excel at. If a guy is bumbling around the interaction and trying to avoid putting his balls on the line and really discovering who the girl is and showing who he TRULY is instead of who he wants her to think he is - it will take more time for the two people to actually know each other and thus, feel attracted to each other. Basically, by learning game men can learn how to speed up the process of "getting to know each other".

"Super powerful tips" and "tricks to get her into bed" are simultaneously clickbait for guys who want "magic pill" change and a MASSIVE lightning rod for everyone to (rightfully, in this case) hate on pickup. The reality is much less glamorous but much more understandable, if people took the time to realize it. In order to really understand why pickup is seen so negatively, we have to honestly look at why guys WANT "powerful tricks" to seduce women (because they don't believe they are attractive or could be attractive by themselves) and where that marketing urge comes from. Next, you have to look at what the pickup company / guru ACTUALLY says. Essentially, if they "bait and switch" using the lure of magic pill type marketing for actual deep identity-level change and hard work improving yourself and your game - that, I think is commendable. However, if (like the case of David Bond) they are actually trying to sell a bunch of "tricks" that's slimy and worse - ineffective. This is all getting pretty complicated and "meta", but I think it's a good line of thought to have more complex views than something simple like "pickup = bad" which doesn't really recognize that pickup, at its soul, is about connecting with humans better.

Ah but my point is that sometimes my answer is "maybe" because I like a guy but for whatever reason I'm not feeling it fully yet, and sometimes I do change my mind.

It's not that I don't like sex or think I should pretend to be shy etc etc - it's because I'm not sure yet that I want to have sex with *that* guy ... Or I've changed my mind about sex with *that* guy.

And I don't like the idea trying to artifically speed things up. These things have a pace and there is nothing worse than someone trying to push to fast to a level of intimacy I'm not yet comfortable with.
 
Ah but my point is that sometimes my answer is "maybe" because I like a guy but for whatever reason I'm not feeling it fully yet, and sometimes I do change my mind.

It's not that I don't like sex or think I should pretend to be shy etc etc - it's because I'm not sure yet that I want to have sex with *that* guy ... Or I've changed my mind about sex with *that* guy.

And I don't like the idea trying to artifically speed things up. These things have a pace and there is nothing worse than someone trying to push to fast to a level of intimacy I'm not yet comfortable with.

Yes, I was talking about Japanese women.. and specifically mentioned that it wasn't you I was talking about in those cases.

As for artificially - well thats just it. It's not artificial. It's just not shooting yourself in the foot or having bad conversations.
 
I gotta try this with my bestie and fukuoka hosts but they seem a lot crazier than the kabuki cho ones so better not bring any jewels and purchase the ticket of the train back in advance for if they steal all the money out of my wallet :')
 
I gotta try this with my bestie and fukuoka hosts but they seem a lot crazier than the kabuki cho ones so better not bring any jewels and purchase the ticket of the train back in advance for if they steal all the money out of my wallet :')

Do you like hosts? In my experience its very rare for a Japanese woman to admit they like hosts - most will deny it and say they are too girly, charai, or shallow. If you don't mind, what about them attracts you? Fwiw I have some foreign female friends who love the look as well - especially those heavily into the fashion subcultures.
 
Do you like hosts? In my experience its very rare for a Japanese woman to admit they like hosts - most will deny it and say they are too girly, charai, or shallow. If you don't mind, what about them attracts you? Fwiw I have some foreign female friends who love the look as well - especially those heavily into the fashion subcultures.

Well there are definitely Japanese women who like them or it wouldn't be an industry, haha.
Indeed many women are also scared of them (for good reasons) and wanna stay away from them. I think as for looks many normal Japanese women don't like it because dyed or long hair for men and thing like piercings and tattoos are taboo in Japan and are associated with being criminal or "scum", the police will do "random bag searches" on people who look like that more often and usually office jobs dont hire people who look like that. So many women wouldn't like them.

Now for sex workers that badboy look seems to add some spice and similar to western culture "badboys" are popular as music artists. Visual kei of course but also j soul brothers for example who look like people who would get their bag searched by police as soon as they walk on the street. Even someone like Aiba who is a cutie idol but probably cant pass a strict job interview with his dyed hair.
So girls charmed by the famous people style might also fall for hosts.
And then there are the japanese cougar women who wanna pay for young boys, haha.

A lot of my foreigner friends are into hosts but we are all a little dellussional i think. Hosts are nice to play with (protected!) but they are difficult boyfriend material. They are understanding to sexworkers so i particulary like dating them but i also like saving my money and know what to watch out for so it usually doesn't get far. Most are more interested in money than in sex and very manipulative. Even the ones not earning well seem just interested in party and free alcohol, its a pretty weird world.
As for looks they are my type; delicate and like to put effort in their appearance with good clothes and jewels and parfume.
As for character i don't want a guy taking all my money and i've seen it happen to too many other girls, haha.
But character plus is that many of them are understanding of a sexworker's feelings.
 
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If the girls you pick up say they are not into host.. Yea its maybe because they like the manly type, given you're a foreigner so generally viewed as more "manly" and they like you.

I dont like very rough and manly. Delicate is the keyword in what i like in men, which can be either a host or an older gentlemen, both very elegant.

As for gyaru girls is really 50/50 imo. Some want a boy who puts as much time and money in hair, makeup and clothes as they do. But gyaru is a very "girly girl" style and some girly girls want very manly men.

As for kyaba, many of them see through hosts because the job is almost the same but especially girls in asa kyaba tend to like host. Some evening girls too.
Most girls who go to host club regulary seem to be sex workers with black hair and thick black eyeliner who work at DHs, soaps or sit the whole day in kirari.
 
I'm guessing that "than" is misplaced/unintended..

I agree totally, and also do exactly those same things (well, I don't generally offer taxi fare unless I've directly inconvenienced her.. I live near a major train station). I move away on the couch or will sit on another piece of furniture, change the music or change the focus of the interaction away from sexytime and towards something more casual and easy - like a Youtube video or anything else. I'll often leave and go to the bathroom as well, but I don't really make a point to say I'll be gone X minutes.. seems a bit strange to me! In general, this doesn't get written up in "field reports" (this report itself was originally written and posted for a gamer audience on another site, which is why it is full of random usernames that are not TAGers and also has some terminology in it).

I agree that it doesn't reduce the number of times I have sex very much at all, which also leads to the reinforcement of the "LMR" idea. Sometimes they do take me up on my suggestion or presentation of the opportunity to leave - and then I know the resistance was very real.

When you write it out like this, of course it sounds fine and quite considerate. However, if we take another look at your original post, things just don't add up.

He comes out shortly after, mentioning she was resisting a bit and he knew I was waiting. Selfless dude! I told him not to worry about my set next time, I can hold the chick and just talk with her until he's finished with his.

She was alternating between saying “Let's go home” and “Ooh that feels nice”. Her friend said “I'm not doing this in front of my friend!” Eventually we can't crack the resistance, and they decide to leave. We discuss how we probably could have divided them up and banged them separately if we had another room or pulled one into the bathroom.

She starts cooking and I'm taking her clothes off as she makes me breakfast. She resists playfully but lets her underwear come off. We eat, and I escalate further. I'm fingering her and shes half enjoying, half resisting. I take off my pants and she says do you have a condom? I check my pocket but somehow the mass of condoms I had bought earlier in the day are gone. I must have taken them out for the foursome. I ask her “Do you? You do right?” She starts rummaging randomly around her room for condoms. I'm just sitting, waiting, and after a while she deliberately goes over to one drawer and pulls out a small bag and hands me a condom. This whole time I'm sure she knew exactly where they were, but she was just pretending to “look for them”. I put on the condom but its a suffocatingly small Japanese condom and it takes me forever and I'm losing my erection. She goes back and hands me an L size one! Hehe, this girl is prepared. Thats good! I have sex with her for a bit, and then suddenly, after maybe ten minutes she says “Ouch stop!”. And pushes me off her. I tell her fine, just give me a blow job then. She complains about the taste of the condom, so I take it off. She sucks me off a bit, takes a swig of water, and rinses my dick with it by sucking it with the water still in my mouth. This is a new and exciting feeling but she stops shortly and says she's not going to do it anymore. I have blue balls a bit and I say “Okay, that's cool, but other guys might be quite angry if you stop halfway.”

Libido takes off to meet the kyaba girl he pulled back to the hotel room earlier in the trip. He ends up having dinner with her, taking her back to the hotel, working through the LMR and banging her.

You also mentioned previously that it is expected for Japanese women to have LMR but that it is clear when they actually want to have sex or not. Reflecting on my own experiences, I have had four instances in the past 6 months with Japanese men who wanted to sleep with me, but I did not want to sleep with them. In each case they tried to use force to make me kiss them or touch them and each time I pushed against them with all my strength, yet in all four cases they tried again and in each case it did not stop until I removed myself from the situation.

Now, you strongly claim that all Japanese woman are confident enough to get up and leave when they are in a situation that they don't wish to be in but I have trouble believing this is the case for 100% of the female Japanese population. If Japanese men can so commonly misread such strong resistance from me, I can't help but feel that you must on a few occasions have misread more subtle Japanese signs of resistance.

She hasn't mentioned any objections and has been following the whole way happily. I take her straight into my hotel and she comes in without complaint, we go upstairs, have a drink and I escalate to sex. Its around 7:30pm, and I message Libido and Scoot that I'll be back out soon.

We once again walk right up into the hotel, she follows me in without noticeable objection.

Nowadays they no longer teach "no means no" but instead "yes means yes", that is that you should always seek explicit consent as situations like the above can seem quite ambiguous. If you take the time to read through this infamous Reddit thread you will find that in many cases the fact that the woman or man did not directly say no or make a move to leave was taken as consent, when clearly it was not (especially ctrl+f "Interesting idea for a thread." for thoughts on this). Many of these tales with some rewording unfortunately would not look out of place on PUA forum. I find it disturbing that you later mention that your original post was written for such a forum and that this is why you do not go into detail as to what your actions are in a case of LMR (leaving the room etc). Of all websites, these surely are the ones that need it the most.
 
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I've been thinking a bit about the OP.

I realize now that Sinapse might get consent from the girls to some degree, but essentially he gets them to yield and surrender.
At some point they probably think something like "ok, seems I'm stuck with this guy, I'm kinda numbed by this Nampa dance, let's see how it goes".

This doesn't mean the girls can't enjoy the rest, but there must be a point where it's hard to know if standard decision-making (like getting out) is possible during the flow of advanced rethorics and space control.
Sinapse's satisfaction definitely seems to have its roots in power play, with a preference for borderline blitz-pickups.
I'm surprised he hasn't got into real trouble like the yakuzas one of the girl threatened him with.
 
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I pushed against them with all my strength

This is the point at which I most certainly would stop.

go into detail as to what your actions are in a case of LMR (leaving the room etc). Of all websites, these surely are the ones that need it the most.

I've done this before in separate posts on said site, which is why I don't do it here. Most gamers I know are pretty aware of when to stop and let the girl go (really quite easily, I might add) if she wants to
 
"ok, seems I'm stuck with this guy

Yeah I don't think they actually think that they are stuck with me, as I remind them of their freedom to leave as I mentioned

I'm surprised he hasn't got into real trouble like the yakuzas one of the girl threatened him with.

Well in that case she invited me over. In other cases they ended up in my house. I live around a bunch of bars so it's rare girls come in if they don't want some action.. I legitimately think that the Chinese girl wanted sex but changed her mind when she saw my dick and it was a bit too large for her and painful
 
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Mate good on you for sticking with this, looks like good insight from both sides
 
When you write it out like this, of course it sounds fine and quite considerate. However, if we take another look at your original post, things just don't add up. ...

You saved me writing this one. Thanks.

@Sinapse - As the lady says, some of your posts sounds quite reasonable and respectful of the women involved while others sound more like you are...well, on a rampage and pushing the envelope as far as you can. Not just in this thread nor just with respect to LMR but in several other respects. I can't figure it out.

-Ww
 
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I pushed against them with all my strength, ...

This is the point at which I most certainly would stop.

Again confusing or closer to contradictory. Earlier you posted that you break contact, move away from them, suggest that they leave if they wish etc if they offer LMR or seem reluctant to proceed. Now you are saying that you stop when they push you away with all of their strength.

Do you see that these sound quite different?

In any case, it is good that you stop when they push you away seriously...because I think you are right on the borderline of sexual assault at that point, though some here who are better informed on the law might want to correct me.

-Ww
 
some of your posts sounds quite reasonable and respectful of the women involved while others sound more like you are...well, on a rampage and pushing the envelope as far as you can

Perhaps to better understand this we have to understand the manner in which guys post "field reports" about their gaming escapades. At the beginning there are a TON of mundane details like where she looked when you walked up, what her initial body language was, what they talked about and if he thinks it was going well or not or whatever. As you progress and get better, you post less of these initial details, so much so that you see in this original report that there are little to no such details because rehashing similar things so often seems hardly necessary. Instead, more advanced gamers will skip over these details. Similarly, they won't write up a report that is just "went out and got three phone numbers" whereas for a newbie that would be a notable accomplishment.

This is much the same with LMR and the pulling back side of push/pull. I've written about it extensively before in other threads. Perhaps I should have anticipated this reaction from a new audience and gone back and tailored my report for a fresh audience, inserting lots more details so it seems less like magic or fast pushing really hard for sex.. Because actually if you recorded it it wouldn't seem like that at all. I think you'd be shocked at the normality of the whole interaction. And yes, you would see me being respectful and cautious and listening to her resistance or lack thereof extremely acutely. I think actually guys into pickup are even MORE attuned to this kind of stuff. Not to mention, we're getting laid so frequently that walking away from any one girl is not a big deal at all! Much more likely for a guy who never gets sex or even gets close to not be able to take no for an answer!

Earlier you posted that you break contact, move away from them, suggest that they leave if they wish etc if they offer LMR or seem reluctant to proceed. Now you are saying that you stop when they push you away with all of their strength.

Well, a hard push away is pretty clear. By stop I do still mean the same thing - moving away and suggesting they leave if they like. The difference is that if it's a very soft push, I would probably try again after a little bit. Again, this is because I've had girls leave after I stopped and be confused why I didn't try harder and they thought I didn't like them.

Incidentally, I thought of another common example of LMR:
A girl saying "no" or "yada" while actually helping to take her clothes off.. Pulling down her underwear, lifting her butt for easy access, etc. All while saying no. This is behavior which anyone who has slept with quite a few Japanese chicks has probably experienced..

These are the types of behavior which don't exactly come across over text on the internet, but in person seem more keen than written out
 
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I'm kinda numbed by this Nampa dance...
Amen to that.

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