After much research, last Saturday I (34/m/white) went with my girlfriend (27/f/japanese) to Retreat, Bliss Out, and 9259. I thought I'd write a report, and maybe get your feedback. This will be long.
Short profile: I'm new to all of this. I'm not keen on the idea of an open relationship, nor do I (currently) want to share my girl with another man. My girlfriend has never been with a girl, but expresses interest in trying it. I'm uneasy, but open to the idea. I feel it might be fun to play with her while others are watching. She doesn't currently feel comfortable having people see her body and is more interested in watching others. She also doesn't want me playing with another girl.
I decided to check out happening bars to 1) see what all this is about and 2) to explore the 1% chance that my gf might find a girl she likes.
She was very nervous to go but was a champion and bit the bullet due to her interest in watching people fuck.
Retreat
Based on reports here, I read that Retreat has some amazing staff, and that its common for girls to go because they feel very safe, its professional, and there are no windows for watching. We had high expectations and went here first. We arrived at 9pm. The building it resides in is really clean and welcoming, not shady at all. But when we arrived we were forced to wait in line to enter, and it was the worst first impression we could have had. Let me recommend to anyone new to this scene to go in the daytime when there are less people to have to tolerate. To begin with, we were already nervous, but now we had to deal with the Japanese guys waiting in line with us literally devouring her with really lingering stares. She almost called it off but we stuck it out and went inside after about 10-15 minutes waiting. She's extremely attractive so I expected her to be popular, but I didn't expect to have to wait in line awkwardly like that. I was pretty irritated that we had to be put in a bad mood by such a bad first impression.
When we got in, the staff was overall pleasant as reported. When we walked in we were both very nervous as they showed us the locker rooms. Immediately we noticed multiple women. My girlfriend of course profiles them to see what kind of clientele will come to these places, and luckily most of the girls were attractive. Good first impression there. We went on bunny night, and she was very interested in seeing the girls in the bunny outfits, but apprehensive to wear them herself. After arriving she immediately said she absolutely refused to consider wearing it due to being repulsed by all the stares.
All the staff wore suits, which was another good first impression. After the locker room, we were guided to the main area. A large room with a large round sofa spanning the walls with low tables in the middle. Contrary to my expectations, unfortunately the sofa was really dirty and the leather torn. The place was packed, and had people sitting in the middle of the room on the floor as well as the sofas being fully used. There were about 35-40 people, with like 15 of them women. Majority of the women were about 20~30 years old, and the men spanned 20~35. We were guided to the sofa and the staff gave us a hand towel and explained the system.
After ordering the drinks, we found that literally everyone was staring at us. One of the staff came over and asked if I speak Japanese because someone was interested in talking to us. I said yes, but we weren't ready to talk to anyone yet. Shortly after the oldest Japanese guy in the room, like 50, came and started talking to us. He was drunk and annoying but polite. Overall a bad experience, as we would have liked to talk to someone our age, if anyone. He also kept touching her and getting in her face. I wanted to get rid of him, but she insisted on being polite. We were able to get rid of him after about 45 minutes.
We wanted to check out the playrooms, even though she was too disgusted to mess around. But they were being used and after about another 30 minutes of waiting decided to head to the next place. While waiting we noticed many new people coming in and noted all the creepy stares at every girl who walked in as we experienced ourselfs.
Bliss out
I wanted to go to bliss out so my girlfriend could see people fucking and they also had a rope event going on that I was extremely interested in. I want to learn to how to tie up a girl and was interested in having the sensei teach me to do it to my girlfriend. She was against being tied up in front of everyone, so I didn't expect it to happen but wanted to go anyway. We arrived at like 11. The building entrance is extremely shady but we expected this because of reports on TAG. After going inside, the signup process was easy and painless. But the staff was less professional. As we expected. I appreciated that the staff seated us next to another couple so that we might break the ice but we weren't in the mood for that based on how the night was going.
From reports, I also expected some action happening in the main bar area, like a few blow jobs or something, but when we arrived there was an overweight lady tied up on the floor and someone was holding a vibrator to her. She was crying loudly like in your average japanese porn. It was another extremely bad first impression, as this went on for far too long and disgusted my girlfriend again. She's a nice girl but this actually really started to piss her off. They really should have asked someone loud like that to move to the play area. The place was packed as well, like maybe about 40-50 people. About 15-20 women. A few couples. However, compared to Retreat everyone was much more unattractive and older. I expected this, so no big deal.
I was really hoping that we could see the playroom from the bar area and was disappointed to learn that you couldn't sit down in front of a window and enjoy watching people fuck while enjoying a drink. The play area was downstairs and drinks are not allowed down there. We both expected to watch people while drinking, get turned on from that, and potentially go join in the fun. It's really unfortunate that wasn't the case.
We went downstairs and watched 1 or 2 Japanese couples playing around. The Japanese ladies were doing the JAV porn voice again which wasn't attractive but it was acceptable since it was in the play room. Due to being put in a bad mood most of the night already, the GF didn't find it arousing at all, but I slightly started to enjoy it. We were both hoping this cute foreigner girl would play with someone, but it didn't happen. We started to lose interest and decided to head to 9259.
9259
I expected this place to be the best, based on reports here. I was disappointed to learn it was about 15 minutes walk from Kabukicho but oh well. We arrived at about 1am. The door staff was extremely rude compared to the other places, but the staff who showed us around were extremely friendly and we really liked them, putting us in a better mood. There were quite a bit of people here too. The music was nice, and it had a great atmosphere compared to before. The clientele were varied. About 35 people, with like 5-10 of them women. Maybe on the older side but not like Bliss out. Everyone was in a good mood and drunk. Absolutely nobody used the playrooms, so we couldn't watch, disappointing my girlfriend. However one of the cuter girls with a killer body was being whipped and tied up in the bar area, so that kept our attention for a while. It's unfortunate my gf couldn't get aroused by seeing that due to her mood.
After a while of boredom, the staff came over and asked us if we wanted to play around, offering some costumes or some kind of action, but we declined saying we only wanted to watch. Overall the place was pleasant for me, but still my girlfriend found it disgusting in general. Largely due to the fact that she found nearly no one attractive.
We left around 2am and waited for the first train.
Retrospect
The days following we continued to talk about the experience, and it seems her initial shock has worn off. We chalked it up to a really unlucky night. People on here say never to go on Saturday nights, and we probably should have heeded that advice. We seem to be leaning to trying again in the distant future and seeing if we get lucky with some more attractive clientele. Next time we go, if we go, might be Sleeping Beauty as its reported to have the youngest crowd. She expresses remorse that we didn't have a good night, so I see promise that she wants to give it another shot. I really don't expect to find a girl who is her type, but we are hoping to at least avoid any unwanted attention and see some more people fucking. I'm hoping I can get her comfortable enough to get naked and play with me.
Anyone have any input? Does the above sound like a typical experience for someone new to the scene? Did we get really unlucky, or were our expectations too high? Do you have any advice to ensure any future visits go smoothly? Perhaps it's just she's not that type of girl, but I'm hoping to avoid her feeling disgusted the next time we go. Her optimism that the next time might be better makes me hopeful she might enjoy it, but I think in order for her to be able to go a third or fourth time it really hinges on the attractiveness of the women participating the next time we go.
