Social Justice Warrior Might Kill Backpage

Well then... that's certainly turning a corner.
 
Craigslist saw the writing on the wall and dropped their escorts section years ago.
 
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Passing through airports in the US, especially in Texas, appears to be hazardous for encountering vice prosecutions. I believe that one or more of the kingpins in some of the online (and off shore) casinos got busted doing that a number of years back.

-Ww
 
Girls you are just freed from this horrible CEO who takes advantage of you!
I don't believe that any of the registered ladies on this board are victims of sex trafficking (or at least, I really hope not).. but I think shutting down Backpage wouldn't be such a bad idea. Of course, it won't stop sex trafficking.. but at least that's one method of promoting it out the door.

And when it comes to Tokyo, it's not gonna cause much damage to our businesses/hobby. Most of us providers attract little to no genuine clients on there.. hobbyists keep receiving the whole bait-and-switch process.. and paying for auto-renew ads isn't even worth it because they just get buried under a shitload of fraudulent ads.. :notworthy:

I think The Erotic Review could be next. According to an anti-TER Twitter account, there's so much sex trafficking going on, especially in the Las Vegas area.. a lot of guys write fake reviews (positive or negative) just for a VIP membership.. and some providers are facing legal problems because of how explicit the reviews are on TER.
 
I think labeling anyone who you disagree in regards to politics, especially women's rights and feminism, with a "Social Justice Warrior" label doesn't help your argument at all.

Ken Paxton, beyond being a titanic asshat, is about as far away from a 'Social Justice Warrior' as you can get, as he would much prefer women being tantamount to chattel slaves like they used to be in the 19th century. A true conservative.

There's plenty of 'social justice warriors' -- or to use a non-meaningless term, feminists -- who believe that legalized or decriminalized sex work empowers women, and that going after legitimate places to advertise (even crappy ones like Backpage) removes a lot of power from women because it makes it harder for women to be safe among other reasons.
 
If an online portal site is held responsible for the actions of its members, should these sites be held responsible for murder?
 
Increase in classified ads on TAG where you may have to add a TS section or tag.
 
To be clear, one of the "smoking guns" is that Backpages wasn't simply hosting but cross posting ads to other sites to actively increase traffic to their escort ads. The scary thing about this is, for example, Eros advertises sometimes on Twitter.. Does that count? So do all the various other global and local sites? Driving any activity underground is generally a bad thing for safety, regulation and the rule of law..
 
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Eh, just use QQchat, and click on the "near me" tab if you want Chinese girls. You can typically spot the escorts based on their profile, and QQchat has an auto-translate feature. Then of course there are plenty of other sites, cityvibe being the most awesome IMO.

IMO, they should hurry up and legalize prostitution, let it be regulated to cut human trafficking and require regular STD testing for the safety of both the girls and the clients AND get more tax revenue! This type of wack-a-mole rarely works.
 
Eh, just use QQchat, and click on the "near me" tab if you want Chinese girls.

There's a TON of scams on there and WeChat elsewhere. "Women" getting men to either send them money through the built-in money transfer feature, or send them iTunes card numbers and not actually meet for service. I set up WeChat a few months back and have had a non-stop parade of "women" using pictures of 20-something models from Taiwan, etc offering companionship for ludicrously cheap prices (US$200 for 3 hours with a woman that looks like this or this). Pretty easy to debunk them via Google Image Search at least. Most of the 'civilians' I've talked to aren't really interested in meeting in person.
 
There's a TON of scams on there and WeChat elsewhere. "Women" getting men to either send them money through the built-in money transfer feature, or send them iTunes card numbers and not actually meet for service. I set up WeChat a few months back and have had a non-stop parade of "women" using pictures of 20-something models from Taiwan, etc offering companionship for ludicrously cheap prices (US$200 for 3 hours with a woman that looks like this or this). Pretty easy to debunk them via Google Image Search at least. Most of the 'civilians' I've talked to aren't really interested in meeting in person.
Very true, but at the same time, there are scams and robberies that happen on craigslist / backpage where you show up at the hotel and s/he's got a gun.

If things start deviating from the normal pattern established on backpage/craigslist (standard 2 call system), I'll likely pass and move on to the next.
 
I don't believe that any of the registered ladies on this board are victims of sex trafficking (or at least, I really hope not).. but I think shutting down Backpage wouldn't be such a bad idea. Of course, it won't stop sex trafficking.. but at least that's one method of promoting it out the door.

And when it comes to Tokyo, it's not gonna cause much damage to our businesses/hobby. Most of us providers attract little to no genuine clients on there.. hobbyists keep receiving the whole bait-and-switch process.. and paying for auto-renew ads isn't even worth it because they just get buried under a shitload of fraudulent ads.. :notworthy:

I think The Erotic Review could be next. According to an anti-TER Twitter account, there's so much sex trafficking going on, especially in the Las Vegas area.. a lot of guys write fake reviews (positive or negative) just for a VIP membership.. and some providers are facing legal problems because of how explicit the reviews are on TER.
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I mean the whole fact of forbidding something because it can be use for something wrong has no limit. West is pushing it to the extreme, and it is the sole reason why I feel freer in Asia. (and safer, as you don't need to use the black market)
 
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I mean the whole fact of forbidding something because it can be use for something wrong has no limit. West is pushing it to the extreme, and it is the sole reason why I feel freer in Asia. (and safer, as you don't need to use the black market)
I stopped drinking water long time ago for all these reasons!!
 
I don't believe that any of the registered ladies on this board are victims of sex trafficking (or at least, I really hope not).. but I think shutting down Backpage wouldn't be such a bad idea. Of course, it won't stop sex trafficking.. but at least that's one method of promoting it out the door.

And when it comes to Tokyo, it's not gonna cause much damage to our businesses/hobby. Most of us providers attract little to no genuine clients on there.. hobbyists keep receiving the whole bait-and-switch process.. and paying for auto-renew ads isn't even worth it because they just get buried under a shitload of fraudulent ads.. :notworthy:

I think The Erotic Review could be next. According to an anti-TER Twitter account, there's so much sex trafficking going on, especially in the Las Vegas area.. a lot of guys write fake reviews (positive or negative) just for a VIP membership.. and some providers are facing legal problems because of how explicit the reviews are on TER.

Actually, I disagree with your point about "one method of promoting it out the door" --> The shutting down of Backpage will not help to dismantle trafficking. Trafficking has always been an underground system, but the emergence of such classifieds sites have just made this underground illegal activities more visible to the public. Because of Backpage, with advertisements out on full display, it would actually make it easier for law enforcement to track down who exactly is posting ads like this. If Backpage is shut down, then the traffickers will just go back to whatever methods they were doing before - and it will go undetected by law enforcement. Backpage actually supports web vigilance from its' users, often encouraging people to report suspicious ads that facilitate trafficking of any sort.

Going back to actual sex work, where people go into it willingly, Backpage is an avenue that allows independent workers to take control of their marketing, their advertising, and allows them to directly screen potential clients themselves, all of which is not that difficult with a moderate level of effort put in. Before people even started using Backpage, workers could only rely on agents, who would charge them a hefty commission fee. This unbalances the power balance between worker and agent. Not all agents are decent people, obviously, they can and will make use of this leverage they have over you to get whatever they want from you. This is why agents charge commission fees, set certain work conditions, and workers will just have to accept that commission fee or find someone else to be their agent. Not saying that agents should stop demanding that workers pay them for admin work, but Backpage helps to shift that power balance where the worker can very easily be autonomous and run their biz themselves, without being at the mercy of anyone else. They are completely free to set their own working terms, rates, etc.... Even if Backpage isn't a big thing in Japan, it may not be the case in other countries.. The shutting down of Backpage affects workers all over the world.

Additionally, the shutting down of Backpage is going to set a very dangerous (legal) precedent for other businesses that gain from sex work. So many other industries gain from sex work, F&B(restaurants, alcohol), hospitality(hotel/travel), transport(taxis), etc.... Does this mean they should be shut down as well?

Don't forget that this lawsuit against Backpage comes at a very uncanny time, where the person pressing for charges against Backpage, state Atty. Gen. Kamala Harris, just so happens to be running for the U.S. Senate.

Re bait and switch on Backpage, I think it's on the client to be more vigilant and responsible for their consumer decisions. I believe as long as escorts just keep doing their thing, the real discerning(should I use the phrase "possessing common sense" or is that too blunt?) clients will be able to tell who's genuinely put in effort into their marketing and overall biz appearance. I don't believe it's an issue for us girls who've clearly put in our heart and soul into our business (。•̀ᴗ-)✧

There is an ongoing debate on TER, but the general consensus amongst independents is that reviews are good for business, but not when reviews serve to boost the client's ego more than anything else. In the USA, where selling sex is completely illegal, graphic reviews where the punter talks about how amazing his cock is for the escort do nothing for business, and even endanger the worker involved.
 
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Actually, I disagree with your point about "one method of promoting it out the door" --> The shutting down of Backpage will not help to dismantle trafficking.

That's kind of why she said 'one method' -- Backpage is still used for trafficking, whether you can see it or not. Other methods exist even without Backpage and that's not going to change. Backpage just happens to be one of the most visible services and obviously has a target painted on its back because of the visibility. It's the same thing that craigslist had problems with and that's why they caved in and removed the escort section.

Re bait and switch on Backpage, I think it's on the client to be more vigilant and responsible for their consumer decisions. I believe as long as escorts just keep doing their thing, the real discerning(should I use the phrase "possessing common sense" or is that too blunt?) clients will be able to tell who's genuinely put in effort into their marketing and overall biz appearance. I don't believe it's an issue for us girls who've clearly put in our heart and soul into our business (。•̀ᴗ-)✧

If you're promoting an honest service and you're giving what you're advertising, then I wouldn't be so worried about this. But, I will argue that any posting can be made to look totally legit... but it's completely blown apart when they are posting images of girls that don't work for them or aren't even escorting. (i.e. popular models, etc.) -- Backpage isn't all bad, but a lot of it is... sadly. That also varies based on country... in Japan, it's a huge problem with Chinese posting ads claiming to be Japanese and for some people it's not a problem... because they get some sort of service usually, but more times that not, it's not who's advertised.

The whole reason TAG (and other similar sites) exist is to develop a control that allows people to share their reviews as well as services to advertise, at least those that we can verify. Many, many, many times... people try to post fake information and while some get through, a lot of them are caught before seen by most people.

Some of the advertisers from Backpage hate us, because we speak the truth and don't allow that nonsense to cross our borders.
 
That's kind of why she said 'one method' -- Backpage is still used for trafficking, whether you can see it or not. Other methods exist even without Backpage and that's not going to change. Backpage just happens to be one of the most visible services and obviously has a target painted on its back because of the visibility. It's the same thing that craigslist had problems with and that's why they caved in and removed the escort section.

Yeah, it's sad though... A lot of people, myself included, see Backpage as a very good advertising platform.

If you're promoting an honest service and you're giving what you're advertising, then I wouldn't be so worried about this. But, I will argue that any posting can be made to look totally legit... but it's completely blown apart when they are posting images of girls that don't work for them or aren't even escorting. (i.e. popular models, etc.) -- Backpage isn't all bad, but a lot of it is... sadly. That also varies based on country... in Japan, it's a huge problem with Chinese posting ads claiming to be Japanese and for some people it's not a problem... because they get some sort of service usually, but more times that not, it's not who's advertised.

The whole reason TAG (and other similar sites) exist is to develop a control that allows people to share their reviews as well as services to advertise, at least those that we can verify. Many, many, many times... people try to post fake information and while some get through, a lot of them are caught before seen by most people.

Some of the advertisers from Backpage hate us, because we speak the truth and don't allow that nonsense to cross our borders.

Definitely get what you're saying. Misrepresentation isn't something to be taken lightly, and that's what I like about TAG. Reward those who are truthful and hardworking.

Also, lots of Chinese girls advertising in Singapore using fake pictures as well! It is rather frustrating, but I guess it would help my Backpage ads to stand out more.
 
Best news that I've heard!!

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...st-backpage-com-ceo-cites-shield/3295330.html

"SAN FRANCISCO: A California judge on Wednesday said he was likely to dismiss criminal pimping charges against the chief executive and controlling shareholders of Backpage.com, ruling that a federal immunity shield for tech companies protected them from prosecution for content posted by third parties."

(o^▽^o)
 
Best news that I've heard!!

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...st-backpage-com-ceo-cites-shield/3295330.html

"SAN FRANCISCO: A California judge on Wednesday said he was likely to dismiss criminal pimping charges against the chief executive and controlling shareholders of Backpage.com, ruling that a federal immunity shield for tech companies protected them from prosecution for content posted by third parties."

(o^▽^o)

This does not surprise me at all. It's the only good thing about the D.M.C.A has in the entire law.