Tag Ffg: Create The Esute Of Your Dreams

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Have you ever said to yourself “If that massage place would just offer …… ?” Have you had fantasies of that absolutely mind-blowing MP? A place like nowhere else? This is your chance to turn your dreams into reality.

Yesterday, the proprietress of a Tokyo massage place (name withheld to keep it interesting) offered me tea and a chat where she would usually usher me out of the door. An adept apple polisher, she praised my marketing and branding skills (which used to be quite good a while ago.) She told me she’s opening a new place, and she wants it to be special. I have always been amazed how Japan excels at narrowly targeting the water trade offerings, and I encouraged her to find a unique format and experience for the new place. She asked me for advice on what us horny guys have been looking for, and what we cannot find.

Worried that my own dirty dreams may not be marketable, I suggested I would discuss the matter here. Let’s call it the TAG FFG (Fuzoku Focus Group.)

Please list what mind- (and other) blowing services you would love to receive in the esute of your dreams.

To keep it interesting, the proprietress offers a free 2hr double (two ladies) for the idea that has been chosen for her new shop. If the idea is really good, she will put a plaque with your TAG handle near the door, or in a spot of your choosing. If the idea is off the scale, you will also get a lifetime 10% discount.

Sometimes, an idea can gel in a discussion. However, only one participant can win. Therefore if necessary, the contestant that influenced the winning idea the most will be chosen as the winner. This will be determined by an independent jury consisting of a bear and other animals. The decision of the animals is final.

To increase your chances of winning, please be aware that what we all want (a double blowjob and a full service double for 5,000 JPY) is not marketable in Japan. If you want to win, the idea must be viable, and therefore legal.
 
No due date, but thanks, any decent contest should have one ....
 
In some other thread we talked about the lack of lesbian and couple (with happy ending) massages in Japan.
It would be great if (at least part of) the staff could service coulples and women with happy endings. Also if this wouldn't make legal trouble it would be good to give the couple a chance to have sex at the end of the massage play in the room, or help the therapist to stimulate and get each other off.

Another major complain from massage shop clients is that they cant touch the girls so if the staff would be ok maybe allowing some standard touching of boobs or legs or over a panty?
(Or a course where guys can finger her while she tugs him but maybe that too wild.)

Offering the girls to be topless or in small underwear during the whole massage (not necessarily with touching as well if that wouldn't work).

The double blowjob thing is super hot, wouldn't it be possible for more than 5000 yen, also with a whole tandem massage attached to it?

Just some ideas.
 
Seeing as how cosplay is a popular theme in Japan, I’ll put forth a suggestion that as far as I know is not available: the entire place is setup with a milsim cosplay theme. Customer gets to choose from a variety of costume themes for the provider to wear, either historical or contemporary. Rooms should also be themed: officers quarters, mess tent, jungle bivouac and so on.

I think this would be popular as military themed & colored clothing is trendy now, especially “tacticool” type stuff. There is a limited amount of soft and hard JAV in this sort of theme already. I strongly suspect this idea could be sustainable with Japanese customers.

The downside is that the setup expenses would certain be more than the usual cost of opening up an esute. OTOH with good planning costs can certainly be controlled. There are already Japanese women who are into to this kind of cosplay:

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Done right the theme of the shop could be more than just typical cosplay though.
 
I also don't know the nuance of what is legal (or allowed) at a shop, but I would think this would make them unique...

Offer a massage on a table where your member hangs free through a hole. Have two providers. One giving you a massage, the other playing with your cock underneath the table. Add in mirrors so you can see what's going on. Short skirts would be ideal too.
 
I also don't know the nuance of what is legal (or allowed) at a shop, but I would think this would make them unique...

Offer a massage on a table where your member hangs free through a hole. Have two providers. One giving you a massage, the other playing with your cock underneath the table. Add in mirrors so you can see what's going on. Short skirts would be ideal too.
I can't remember where but I did encounter exactly that once. Wasn't very good for two reasons:

  1. The hole in the table didn't seem to be in the right place in relation to keeping the rest of me on the table.
  2. It was distracting/confusing having one girl try to massage my back while the other played with my dick
Its an interesting idea in theory (which is why I shelled out the money at the time) but it didnt work so well in practice.
 
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Actually, I don't find it distracting/confusing at all, but rather highly erotic, when I hug one girl and whisper sweet nothings into her ear, while another one is working on Bear-san Jr. It's the differences in tastes and preferences that make this focus group so necessary, for market research, and otherwise.
 
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when I hug one girl and whisper sweet nothings into her ear, while another one is working on Bear-san Jr.

For sure in a cuddling situation what you say makes sense, however I was responding specifically to the "hole in the massage table" situation. Again, it seemed like a great idea until I tried it.
 
In some other thread we talked about the lack of lesbian and couple (with happy ending) massages in Japan.
It would be great if (at least part of) the staff could service coulples and women with happy endings. Also if this wouldn't make legal trouble it would be good to give the couple a chance to have sex at the end of the massage play in the room, or help the therapist to stimulate and get each other off.

EXCELLENT idea, and quite doable. @User#8628 is on the record as the owner of this idea. This would be quite doable. Actually, I have been discussing this service with the mamasan, and she answered in the affirmative. There will be a test run. A decade ago, I brought up couple service at one of the excellent Tantra studios in Europe, and by now, this service has mushroomed in to a standard and very successful Tantra offering all over the EU. With the encouragement of Mrs Bear, I am on an evangelist tour through Asia to give this service the attention it should receive. (Not to worry, @User#8628, the idea is yours, I am out of competition.)

Another major complain from massage shop clients is that they cant touch the girls so if the staff would be ok maybe allowing some standard touching of boobs or legs or over a panty?

Doable also, and quite standard when you are an established customer.

(Or a course where guys can finger her while she tugs him but maybe that too wild.)
Surcharge?

Offering the girls to be topless or in small underwear during the whole massage (not necessarily with touching as well if that wouldn't work).
Again standard for established customers. For Western clients who are not versed in the intentional ambiguity, this may have to be spelled out, and charged.


The double blowjob thing is super hot, wouldn't it be possible for more than 5000 yen, also with a whole tandem massage attached to it?
I was told that BJs of any kind are out of the question.

Just some ideas.

Love them!
 
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Bondage esute ... can we have a Saint Andrew's Cross (or something similar)?
- Normal position X frame on the ground for normal massages
- Stand position for extra services (prostate stimulation comes to mind, or extra therapist massaging you from the back)
x Lifted (man is safely tied down) cross is lifted 3-4 feet off the ground and inverted (man is facing ground) (but maybe too many possible safety issues) Not as epic as the zero gravity massage but I want to know the feeling the little one being "milked" while you're tied up upside down.
 
More ideas...

"Olympics" -- In honor of the 2020 event, you can have an esute that has a "training" camp. Pick 5 or so events. One can be who can cum the farthest. Get a nice massage, and at a certain point, have the person move to a line and use a vibrating device for the final moments. The room would have lines that mark distance. Each week, the person that "wins" gets something special. Other events could be gel or mud wrestling, something with stamina (imagination goes wild). Could be a lot of fun. Definatley worth exploration.

"Suspension" -- hung upside down or inverted. Could try a rope or a board.

"O2" -- Many esutes talk about health and the benefits of the massage. Add an option where you get pure oxygen during the event. I've heard this gives you a high. Mix in nitrous oxide for VIP customers...
 
You are a wicked man, @Colonel Angus


"Suspension" -- hung upside down or inverted. Could try a rope or a board.
Who's suspended? The customer or the caregiver? I have enjoyed "Red Rope" in Shanghai where the caregiver administers a rotating BJ while dangling from the ceiling. That?



"O2" -- Many esutes talk about health and the benefits of the massage. Add an option where you get pure oxygen during the event. I've heard this gives you a high. Mix in nitrous oxide for VIP customers...
I'd immediately sign up for that. The nitrous makes them come faster, or laugh their heads off?
 
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Re-inventing the Rub & Tug

Where to begin....excuse the stream of random brainstorming ( and the fact that I know relatively little about how the industry works, and the legal/regulatory/street issues of running a R&T)

1. I think the owners of these places need to think about the women that work there. Think about their work environment, living environment, job description, compensation. Making these girls happy, is the key to happy customers and a successful business. (A number of the comments below directly/indirectly flow back into this general point)

2. Invest some money in the premises. At a minimum, make sure it is spotlessly clean. Clean fresh towels/bedding.

3. Open when other places are closed. Forget about the 24 hr operation or the noon-5am operation - it just wears the girls down, makes them bored and jaded quickly. Put together a solid breakfast roster - let the girls have a good nights sleep and get them back in the office for 7am or 8 am as required. Fresh,rested and bubbly.

4. It seems that most of these places have fixed rosters -- maybe they need more flexible work arrangements.. Encourage local part-timers/casuals, or have some niche providers on-call or standby by appointment.

5. On recruitment, I wonder if they would attract higher quality local girls if they told the girls they wouldn't have to service a JPN customer. ( You don't have to risk bumping into your Dad, other relatives, boss, professor?).

6. Maybe it is time to separate the Rub from the Tug. Most of these places do not provide a good massage. Maybe hire some women who do "sports" massage( fix your back, muscles, aches and pains)and others who do "healing" massage ( sensual/erotic). Mr. Bear books Ai (Sports) for Sunday 1o -11 am and possibly Yoko( Healing) from 11-12.00. The obvious benefit is you could get a great legit massage, but it would also help focus the job description of the "healing girls" - to excite, delight, tantalize. No need for them to waste time going thru a lame massage routine with all the stops and starts - fetching and carrying cold towels, hot towels, dry towels - moving to/from shower room/wet room. They should hire some support staff to do all the mechanical work - cleaning, laundry, fetching, carrying.

7. It would be good if the massage took place in a private room that was self contained. A converted Love Hotel would be perfect. The Colonels massage table sounds interesting. I always thought it was strange that massage tables didn't have "storage" for male junk. I find it pretty uncomfortable lying on my stomach for extended periods - particularly when the Jolly Roger has been hoisted. However, I do enjoy the Chinese technique of reaching thru the legs and under the stomach to massage the cock.

8. In terms of menu, I think the girls and customers need to know what is off menu- FS,BJ, (other?) and what is guaranteed sensual massage and HJ -- leave the rest in the gray zone of what two horny adults get up to in the privacy of their massage suite.

9. To avoid boring, repetitive sessions the girls should focus on the goal of the session - to drive the customer nuts and get him to pop twice in an hour. Subject to the hard rules in 8 above - anything goes. I could see the girls working in some elements of other service providers -- like the kimono/yukata clad girls who offer up DATY, some soft S&M stuff from the JFF catalogue ( ...light face sitting for example), mat play from soaplands. I think the girls should use there pussy as a massage tool more - very rarely used skill.

10. I think The idea in item 9 should mean you spend less time lying on your stomach thinking about business, sport or dinner.....but in order to add some value to "stomach time"... the suite should be covered in mirrors. Floor mirrors would work particularly well with commando nurses/kimono girls. Other ideas would be for "random" entertainment to be introduced during stomach time - a second girl enters the room, opens her kimono and pours a flute of champagne over her breasts and pussy and asks you to lick her dry, or a girl puts down a yoga mat and does a naked yoga routine, or a naked ballerina warm up --- you get the idea.

11. I think the routine should allow the customer to participate in undressing the girl -- as opposed to lying on your stomach and hearing the bra clip getting snapped open.

12. Music. The girls should pick the music that gets them in the mood. Whatever works for them.

13. If you need to take a pee, the "piss bucket' girl will be summoned to the room and she holds your member while you pee into a champagne bucket that looks and smells like a mini spa bath - essential oils and rose petals.

14. People love getting something for free. Maybe treat regulars from time to time - free or discounted sessions, birthday treat, 4 hand massage. No point in having available girls sitting in the backroom eating cup noodles - get them into the entertainment package.

To be continued ( maybe).
 
They have places that cater to men who like big boobs. I would create a place that caters to men who like big asses.
 
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Can anyone comment on the general actual massage skill of these places? Do they actually know what they are doing?
Having been to quite a few myself, it really depends on the place/woman. Many of em give pretty crappy massages (and crappy hand jobs as well). OTOH sometimes you find a place with decent staff or a woman who actually knows how to give a massage. I'm very lucky in that the place I go most frequently and the woman I always request does me just right on both counts.
 
More thoughts (this is fun)…

“Game board themed” – For a 90 minutes session start off with a 2P or 3P game of Twister, semi naked, for 15 minutes to set the mood and laugh, then the massage. Or Operation where you lie down as the patient and they chose cards where the do something to you. Strip Battleship for 10 to 15 minutes (with a small drinking game involved)… the list can go on.

“Karaoke massage” – Have private rooms similar to karaoke places where you can sing on a small screen, but they have a larger one with porn. The provider tries to distract you with the massage and other ways. They can even sing with you. For group events, you could have a larger room with portioned off chairs where you can’t see each other, but you could all sing together while getting a massage… This is Tokyo, just sayin’.

“Star Wars / Star Trek themed” – You can pick one of two Princess Leias (white rob with buns, or Return of the Jedi bikini), or a sexy Imperial officer, or Uhara (now moving on to Star Trek). The rooms could be themed (Millennium Falcon, Jaba’s palace, Death Star interrogation room). Ewoks or Jawas would be funny if the person was short.

“Zombie / Vampire themed” – You strip down to boxer shorts and have two towels tucked in, just like touch football (American football, that is). You have to run through an obstacle course first filled with sexy zombies and/or vampires. If you make it to the other end without them grabbing the towels, you get an extra prize during your massage. If they “get you” before the end, you get a “penalty.”

“Jail themed” – You are locked in a cell with prisoner’s clothes that are made of paper (so they come off easily). The women are guards. You get the idea.
 
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You are a wicked man, @Colonel Angus



Who's suspended? The customer or the caregiver? I have enjoyed "Red Rope" in Shanghai where the caregiver administers a rotating BJ while dangling from the ceiling. That?

I'd immediately sign up for that. The nitrous makes them come faster, or laugh their heads off?

The suspension could go either way. Rotation makes it more fun.

I don't know what the nitrous oxide would do, but it's worth an experiment.
 
Combine マッサージ、同伴、持ち帰り。

Get a massage without the finish, take the lady out for dinner and then off to the hotel. (y)

The massage would need to be good.