I am a bit curious though why there is the need to go there and criticize or hate at all? Granted I am not the longest TAG member, but in all the reviews I have read, and certainly the ones I have written, I have never seen Sinapse or another PUA type jump into the thread and say anyone was a loser for paying for time with a woman. In about a week of paying the PUA forum any attention, there have been more than a couple hostile THREADS. I know from reading elsewhere on the internet that there is a segment of PUA that view P4P as pretty sad, but they don't seem to intrude on the mongers. Why does the P4P side roll into the PUA forum?
It is a perfectly reasonable questions. I don't know if I can really answer it, but here are a few comments:
First of all, note that TAG is relatively unusual (at least ime) in having significant communities and discussions of both p4p and PUA. I suspect it is because the Tokyo English-speaking adult activities community is so small that it doesn't support/need separate forums for each as exist in most countries where English is the native language. I was only barely aware that the whole notions of PUA and nampa existed before I started reading TAG. On US p4p boards, pick-up is rarely mentioned, much less advocated by a group of users. This results in the two communities being much more aware of each other and in each other's faces than on other forums where I have any experience. It also often causes TAGers to talk/think/act as thought PUA and p4p are the only two ways of men dealing with women, which leads to absurd discussions of which is better (in one sense or another). In reality of course, the overwhelming majority of sex and couples in the world come about without any involvement of p4p or PUA activities.
Second, TAG PUAs actually do heap disdain and sharp criticism on p4p on a regular basis. A common assumption amount TAG PUAs seems to be that only men who can't get sex in any other way would ever be willing to pay for it...another absurdity (makes about as much sense as saying no one who has someone willing to prepare them meals at home would ever eat in a restaurant and pay for food preparation). A difference is that the PUA community mostly dumps on p4p in PUA related threads. It appears to me that this is basically because they are smaller in number and much newer to TAG than the monger community, so they are more on the defensive...and thus on "their own turf". It is also because they often drift toward the (non sequitur) defense of anything objectionable involved in PUA that it is not as bad as p4p...as though something is bad is made better by the existence of something worse.
Third, there are direct attacks on p4p by PUAs. See for example this thread:
https://tokyoadultguide.com/threads/is-p4p-immoral.9775/
And if you read enough discussions of p4p on TAG, you will certainly find plenty of little jabs and snide cuts by PUAs about how bad/sad/lame/whatever it is to pay for sex when it is available for free etc.
Fourth and finally, maybe most importantly, the p4p community is A LOT more self-critical than the PUA one to the extent I can judge. Lots of p4p's regard their commercial sex activities with a degree of disapproval, perhaps akin to the way many smokers regard their habit or many obese people regard their eating and exercising habits. For some (not too many), this reaches levels of self-loathing and self-disgust. These are folks, men and women, who have bought deeply into society's stigmatization of commercial sex but can't themselves resist it. We see some of this on TAG, but there is much more of it on many other p4p forums. By contrast, as far as I can judge, the PUA community is a rather strongly self-congratulatory and self-righteous crowd...who thus "need/deserve" external critics more than the p4p community does.
-Ww
