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Within the last two weeks, I've met two different women who have been sexless during 5 years.

5 YEARS !

They don't even feel the need to do it.

Personally, when a girl tells me that she has been sexless for so long, it's a total turn off.

How do you guys deal with that?
 
If you are already discussing the frequency of sex, you can aswell hint that you need it for every day and ask if she agrees... well rested as she is :D
 
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Within the last two weeks, I've met two different women who have been sexless during 5 years.

5 YEARS !

They don't even feel the need to do it.

Personally, when a girl tells me that she has been sexless for so long, it's a total turn off.

How do you guys deal with that?

When a healthy woman is truly sexless, not lying about it because she is pretending to be an "almost virgin" it is often because of major psychological issues. Usually, I try to talk with the woman, and get her history and opinions on the topic. It often comes down to how willing the woman is to make normal human sexual activity a regular part of her life. Some women can be saved, and some women are totally lost.

Some examples of the mental issues:

1) Extreme feminist or anti-male views

Such women can view normal heterosexual sex as male domination or submission to a man. They are not comfortable being in a natural female role. They can also view themselves from a fictional male or idealized hyper masculine perspective, where when women "give up" sex, she is the "loser" or "slut". Sex can be defined as "winning" or "losing", "dominating" or "submitting" versus mutual enjoyment. Most real men don't think like this, however they are fighting against an image such women have created in their mind about men. Such women can hold secret desires to be like a male (often stating as she wish to have been born a boy), and not necessarily change into a male but live life like an idealized male image in their mind, or have a bizarre dislike for their own femininity.

And with such a mindset and discomfort with traditional female roles or heterosexuality, sex becomes very "troublesome". Avoiding sex allows such women to avoid dealing with their own femininity, gender roles, confrontations about their behavior with men, or normal sexual expectations in a relationship.

2) Extremely embarrassed and self conscious about her body and/or vagina

This is where the woman has problems dealing with her natural femininity or has an unrealistic idealized image of what a female body should look like. I've met numerous Japanese women with this odd mindset, and have recently met another such woman. Because she isn't built like the "perfect" woman, she can feel like an failure or want to "hide" herself.

She lacks the confidence to be naked in front of a man and feels men will judge her body negatively. To Westerners, this can seem very bizarre, because the Japanese woman can have a normal body and NOT be overweight or even very curvy. However, such Japanese women think they should have an extremely skinny body and with no curves like a boy.

This can also be an unrealistic phobia, not based on the actual reactions of men, but her fears and imagination. Consequently, she seeks to avoid being naked or sex.

This strange negative view of herself can extend to her vagina too. Where she thinks her vagina smells, is too wet (yes, too wet...WTF), or looks too ugly. She may also feel that having to deal with menstruation, is disgusting and troublesome. This negativity about her body and vagina can destroy a woman's ability to enjoy sex. She becomes too nervous and self-conscious about it, and when this causes her to have a bad sexual experience, it reinforces in her mind the opinion to avoid sex.

3) Extreme negativity towards sex and childishness

This appears to be how various Japanese are raised. They have a very childish or excessive bad view of sex as something nasty or perverted. They may have never or almost never seen affection between their parents, think "cold" relationships between men and women are normal, and take on extreme views as if normal human sexual relations are abnormal.

Their negativity towards sex, often means such women rarely experimented with sex or rarely had any consistent sexual relationships. Of the few experiences she has, any negative sexual experiences, reinforces their already negative view about sex and she tries to avoid it even more. They then never learn to become good at sex or enjoy it. The years go by, and now you can have a 28 year old or even a 38 year old with the sexual maturity of a 18 year old. Almost a completely clueless and sexually ignorant Japanese woman.

Furthermore, the older such women get, the more she may want to try to hide her sexual inexperience or lack of skill. Such women may not know how to handle a penis, are bad at blow jobs, physically awkward and clumsy in bed, lack any imagination about sexual matters, etc... Basically, the woman has become so terrible and clueless at sex, that her relationships with men have greatly suffered. Boyfriends have left her, cheated on her, complained, etc... Instead of learning how to get better at sex, such women take the cowards way out, and avoid sex.

You can't become good at, what you rarely or don't do. So it's a vicious bad circle that such women can't break.
 
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Some actually have incurable diseases & don't want to give it to anyone. Not everyone but this is one explanation for some.
 
Or, you know, the other 87 reasons that don't require badmouthing women that aren't interested in sex for sport.

When a woman hasn't had sex in 5 years, that has nothing to do with sex as a sport. Her vagina is turning old and dusty. It's like saying a person that hasn't used their legs in 5 years, is simply uninterested in athletic endeavors. No, that person is likely a paraplegic in a wheel chair. Almost always, there is something very wrong with the person or some extremely unusual circumstance has occurred (soldier in a war, prison, nun...)

Furthermore, that woman hasn't had a boyfriend (or girlfriend because she can be a closet lesbian/bisexual) in the last 5 years or if she was in a relationship, the boyfriend/girlfriend never requested they have sex? That is odd and unusual, no matter how you try to slice it.
 
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Some actually have incurable diseases & don't want to give it to anyone. Not everyone but this is one explanation for some.

Good point. I would be very suspicious of such a woman, who did not have sex in 5 years, with having HIV/AIDS or herpes. It would be best to ask her outright.

Another point not mentioned, are also physical abnormalities or conditions of the vagina, that some women are so ignorant or ashamed that they never went to a doctor to get fixed. Examples:

1) Partial hymen

Some women have an unusually thick hymen that was not fully penetrated or removed. This partially intact hymen causes them severe pain during sex. It is very easy for a woman to have a surgical procedure to remove it, but they woman is so ignorant, that she hides the issue and doesn't bother to have a doctor check it.

A related odd story, is I met a Japanese woman who only liked us doing anal sex. Fine with me at first, but only anal sex with a woman takes away some of her natural advantages and fun. 3 holes are better than 2. Her clit was very sensitive and she could get orgasms that way, so I decided to thoroughly inspect her vagina. As we had sex several times, she had became comfortable with and trusted me. Discovered her hymen was still partially there. Simple medical procedure she never bothered to have done.

2) Vaginismus or Involuntarily tightening of the vagina muscles.

While some simple-minded types might think this is good, it's not. In fact, it can be the cause of what is classically called frigidness and is a form of female sexual dysfunction. For various psychological reasons or due to some type of brain abnormality, the woman appears to panic and involuntarily closes her vaginal muscles to such an extreme extent, that penetration is nearly impossible or extremely painful.

I've met a couple of Japanese women with this condition. The women were also very childish and immature for their age, like a 26 year old acting like a teenager. There might be a connection there, but it's not something regular or non-medical guys can figure out.

In severe cases, the women require psychological and medical counseling, and the problem can't be fixed by a boyfriend. It can also be very frustrating to the woman, because she is trying to overcome it and she gets sexually stimulated normally and wet. She can want to have sex, but she can't relax her vaginal muscles.

In the case of Japanese women, there are all kinds of additional social and cultural issues that might create this type of psychological problem. Because sex is extremely painful, the Japanese woman can seek to avoid it or be ashamed of her problem, versus go seek medical help to FIX it.

You then end up with 30 something year old abnormal Japanese women that could have learned to have a normal enjoyable sex life, but didn't. They have a correctable problem, but choose to hide it because of shame and laziness.

3) Ugly Vagina or Abnormal Vagina

This is interesting. Some women have a perfectly normal looking vagina in every way, but have issues with their femininity. They think their vagina is ugly, but it's not.

However, some women do have physically abnormal or unusual vaginas. Very large clitoris, unusually large labia, overall it being unusually large, etc.. With Japanese women, there appears a greater tendency to not accept themselves and HIDE. Such women don't understand that there are men who will accept them as they are, instead she rather not have sex and "hide" her supposed shame.
 
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Well, for the women that can't be fixed by a boyfriend, and/or are lazy or cowardly, can't we just send them somewhere else so we don't have to think about them? Or at least make them wear signs so that we don't have to bother with their old and dusty vaginas? Or should I attempt to have sex with her and mock her for her horrible lovemaking skills thereby assuring the world that she'll never attempt to have intimate contact ever again? Really, what is to be done here?
 
Well, for the women that can't be fixed by a boyfriend, and/or are lazy or cowardly, can't we just send them somewhere else so we don't have to think about them? Or at least make them wear signs so that we don't have to bother with their old and dusty vaginas? Or should I attempt to have sex with her and mock her for her horrible lovemaking skills thereby assuring the world that she'll never attempt to have intimate contact ever again? Really, what is to be done here?

Come on man, you are just injecting all kinds of fluff that was not stated and clowning.
 
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There are a few grains of salt in this thread but also a lot of negativity and downright misinformation.

Here is a cleaned up list of possible reasons (will add as thread progresses):

1 - Asexuality (no sexual desire or sexual desire satisfied by masturbation only)
2 - Body consciousness
3 - STI (not wanting to risk infecting others)
4 - Sexual pain (caused by intact hymen, STI or vaginismus*)
5 - Lack of potential partners
6 - Unsure about sexuality and hesitant to explore
7 - Previous bad experiences
8 - Medication side effect (contraceptive pill, depression medication, etc.)

* Note this can be a physical muscle problem as well as mental one linked to previous experiences. I have never heard of it being caused by a "brain abnormality". It is also surprisingly common.

Anyone curious for more information should visit a forum populated by women, particularly those with any of the issues listed above.

To answer OP's question, if the person in question wants to have sex and is able to, I don't see why this is an issue, nor do I understand why it would be a turn off.
 
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Maybe they just had bad experiences with deadbeats and losers... maybe previously they were the victims of sexual assault or rape....
 
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There are a few grains of salt in this thread but also a lot of negativity and downright misinformation.

Here is a cleaned up list of possible reasons:

1 - Asexuality (no sexual desire or sexual desire satisfied by masturbation only)
2 - Body consciousness
3 - STI (not wanting to risk infecting others)
4 - Sexual pain (caused by intact hymen, STI or vaginismus*)
5 - Lack of potential partners
6 - Unsure about sexuality and hesitant to explore
7 - Previous bad experiences

* Note this can be a physical muscle problem as well as mental one linked to previous experiences. I have never heard of it being caused by a "brain abnormality". It is also surprisingly common.

Anyone curious for more information should visit a forum actually populated by women, particularly those with any of the issues listed above.

To answer OP's question, if the person in question wants to have sex and is able to, I don't see why this is an issue, nor do I understand why it would be a turn off.

1) You restated what was already stated in many cases, then pretended like you are presenting more relevant information because it's coming from you. Like, "I'm giving it to you, so it's equal to Moses and the 10 commandments."

On what you did list that was new:

Asexuality- is not a normal human condition. The person, by definition and statistically, would be unusual.

Lack of potential partners- this would be highly suspect, especially over a 5 year period. Things like physical deformities, being extremely overweight, etc... would come into play. A person that claims they have never been on a date in 5 years, would also likely be an unusual or abnormal person, unless extenuating circumstances were involved (prison, war, priest, cancer...)

2) Heterosexual women are not dating and having sex with other women. Consequently, they don't usually have direct sexual experience with other women, outside of just themselves.

A heterosexual man can have met, dated, and had sex with; dozens, hundreds, to thousands of women. Where a heterosexual woman can have never done any such a thing, in regards to other women, besides look at herself in the mirror.

Lesbian women would often experience sex differently or view sex differently, so can be a bad or distorted source of information on heterosexual sex.

3) Women, in general, do NOT have superior knowledge on human anatomy or about sex. Going to a forum full of women, can give just as much "misinformation", if not more (denial, pretense, etc...)

The average woman, or man, is not thoroughly studying or usually thinking deeply about the subject of sex beyond more immediate types of sexual pleasure. Expertise, would come from studying the subject specifically and thoroughly, regardless if it was a man or woman.

4) In your response to the OP, you clearly have never met women who haven't had sex in years, and you are in a date/relationship situation with them.

I have met such women. The OP, has met such women. I'm relaying my experience with such women. It was trouble and difficult. Such a woman often has problematic reasons for why she hasn't had sex for so long or is lying about it, which if a lie, is another problem too.
 
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Maybe they just had bad experiences with deadbeats and losers... maybe previously they were the victims of sexual assault or rape....

Traumatized from sexual assault or rape is a very good point. But even in that case, 5 years is a very long time. Most adult rape victims, women or men (and rape can be even more traumatic on the male psyche in some cases), will normally return to having sexual relationships within 5 years. Not saying all, but the vast majority.

And sexual assault trauma is among the most extreme reasons we can get. If a rape victim can return to normal sexual activity, within 5 years, but the woman you are talking to hasn't had sex in that long then it's definitely a reason to be concerned. Again, in my personal experience and with people I have talked to, a woman not having sex that long would usually be abnormal and have some severe mental issues.
 
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1) You restated what was already stated in many cases, then pretend you are presenting new information

On what you did list that was new:

Asexuality- is not a normal human condition. The person, by definition and statistically, would be unusual.

Lack of potential partners- this would be highly suspect, especially over a 5 year period. Things like physical deformities, being extremely overweight, etc... would come into play. A person that claims they have never been on a date in 5 years, would also likely be an unusual or abnormal person, unless extenuating circumstances were involved (prison, war, priest, cancer...)

2) Heterosexual women are not dating and having sex with other women. Consequently, they don't usually have direct sexual experience with other women, outside of just themselves.

A heterosexual man can have met, dated, and had sex with; dozens, hundreds, to thousands of women. Where a heterosexual woman can have never done any such a thing, in regards to other women, besides look at herself in the mirror.

Lesbian women would often experience sex differently or view sex differently, so can be a bad or distorted source of information on heterosexual sex.

3) Women, in general, do NOT have superior knowledge on human anatomy or about sex. Going to a forum full of women, can give just as much "misinformation", if not more (denial, pretense, etc...)

The average woman, or man, is not thoroughly studying or usually thinking deeply about the subject of sex beyond more immediate types of sexual pleasure. Expertise, would come from studying the subject specifically and thoroughly, regardless if it was a man or woman.


1. I did not pretend this was new information. Any such pretence is doomed to failure considering my post comes later on in the thread. What I did say was that I had cleaned the list up. I had a longterm relationship with a gynacologist who specialised in sexual problems, as well as having gone through my own "dry spells" for various reasons. Consequently I am able to weed out a lot of the mistruths listed in this thread.

Approximately 1% of people describe themselves as asexual (homosexuality is 7%). Not so unusual.

2. Do you honestly believe that women don't discuss sexual matters with each other? Really?

3. When I recommended visiting a women's forum it was for reading actual accounts. While, yes, there is a chance of denial, I do not think I am wrong in believing that women who are not having sex are better at explaining their own reasons than someone who has not experienced this, no? Also their personal accounts of having visited doctors, etc. Certainly, I have never seen many of the mistruths listed in this thread on any of the women's forums I have read. Of course, actual medical articles should be the top priority.
 
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1. I did not pretend this was new information. Any such pretence is doomed to failure considering my post comes later on in the thread. What I did say was that I had cleaned the list up. I had a longterm relationship with a gynacologist who specialised in sexual problems, as well as having gone through my own "dry spells" for various reasons. Consequently I am able to weed out a lot of the mistruths listed in this thread.

Approximately 1% of people describe themselves as asexual (homosexuality is 7%). Not so unusual.

2. Do you honestly believe that women don't discuss sexual matters with each other? Really?

3. When I recommended visiting a women's forum it was for reading actual accounts. While, yes, this is a chance of denial, I do not think I am wrong in believing that women who are not having sex are better at explaining their own reasons than someone who has not experienced this, no? Also their personal accounts of having visited doctors, etc. Certainly, I have never seen many of the mistruths listed in this thread on any of the women's forums I have read. Of course, actual medical articles should be the top priority.

1) Since when is 1% of the population the norm or usual??? I hope you are better at math than that.

2) There is a difference between reading a book about being a race car driver, and actually being a real race car driver. You seem not to know the difference.

I have direct experience with dealing with such women. OP, is talking about dealing with such women directly. Where you want to bombard others with views on how you feel things are supposed to be, or how the women's view is supposedly and magically superior to those of men.
 
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1) Since when is 1% of the population the norm or usual??? I hope you are better at math than that.

2) There is a difference between reading a book about being a race car driver, and actually being a real race car driver. You seem not to know the difference.

I have direct experience with dealing with such women. OP, is talking about dealing with such women directly. Where you want to bombard others with views on how you feel things are supposed to be.

1. I never said it was usual or the norm. But 1 in 100 is certainly not unheard of and it is likely that most people will come into contact with someone who considers themselves asexual in their life. Medically, common is defined as: affects between 1 in 100 and 1 in 10 people – i.e. 1% to 10%.

2. So, what you are trying to say regarding race car drivers that there is a difference about reading about an account written by someone who is not a driver (or in this case hasn't had a dry spell) and someone who actually has had a dry spell?
Hmm, I wonder how that applies here.

As for "bombarding others with views", I had made exactly one post in thread (clarifying misinformation, suggesting where to find further information and answering OP's question) until you replied to me and was happy to stop there. If this constitutes as forcing my views on others, then I'm sorry but I don't think forums are for you. You on the other hand had made four (now seven out of sixteen in total) posts, mostly consisting of your views on why this occurs and with not much on how to specifically deal with the issue.
 
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1. I never said it was usual or the norm. But 1 in 100 is certainly not unheard of and it is likely that most people will come into contact with someone who considers themselves asexual in their life. Medically, common is defined as: affects between 1 in 100 and 1 in 10 people – i.e. 1% to 10%.

2. So, what you are trying to say regarding race car drivers that there is a difference about reading about an account written by someone who is not a driver (or in this case hasn't had a dry spell) and someone who actually has had a dry spell?
Hmm, I wonder how that applies here.

As for "bombarding others with views", I had made exactly one post in thread (clarifying misinformation, suggesting where to find further information and answering OP's question) until you replied to me and was happy to stop there. If this constitutes as forcing my views on others, then I'm sorry but I don't think forums are for you. You on the other hand had made four (now seven out of sixteen in total) posts, mostly consisting of your views on why this occurs and with not much on how to specifically deal with the issue.

The very first post and paragraph I made, dealt directly with the question. "Talk with the women, and get her history and opinion (about it...)" You may want to re-read it. I dug into a list of what might be possible causes, to help when talking with the women about it. Things he can bounce off the woman or have in the back of his mind, when talking to them.

Where your post was about going after me, and trying to reformat what I typed to make yourself feel better, and not addressing the OP. In fact, I strongly doubt you can address the question of the OP. Even a woman experiencing sexual dysfunction, can only speak about her situation, not for all other women.

True, a medical professional whose job it is to treat such women, is an expert opinion. But guess what? Is he/she actually trying to put his penis in and is having sex with the women? That's an entirely different perspective. If he/she had to be in a relationship with such women, they might feel a certain or different way about it.

Lastly, I will leave you with a fun egghead experience I had some years ago. A couple comes to the happening's bar (swinger's bar) that me and a good pal of mine were hanging out. Woman of the couple claims to be a medical doctor. We are drinking wine, then get into some sexual discussions. A polite argument breaks out, where over G-spots. The female doctor claims that's not possible and orgasms come from only the clitoris.

I responded to the woman that it may only be true for her, not other women. She claimed that as a man, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Worse yet, her husband (I assume), backed her up. The most interesting debate went back and forth. She shouting me down with all types of medical literature and authorities on the subject that I don't know.

The dates of my pal and I show up, and the ladies join us at the table. My swinger pal decided on an interesting challenge for 10,000 yen. The pot from all bets in the club went to 40,000 yen (more people involved, but too chicken to bet). I would attempt to give his lady friend, who I had not met yet until today, a G-spot orgasm. My girlfriend gave her approval, so off we all went.

With the doctor studying very intently and closely, I made my pal's girlfriend cum with my hand. Juice flying everywhere. And in fact, her vaginal juice dripping off the doc's face and hair. She begrudgingly, had to admit that I did it, and she had a very different attitude from that point. Not only that, but we gave lessons to her boyfriend.

Reading books about it, and actually experiencing it, are 2 different things. Greatly enjoyed the extra 30,000 yen (10,000 of the 40,000 pot was added by me), that I had won that night.
 
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The very first post and paragraph I made, dealt directly with the question. "Talk with the women, and get her history and opinion (about it...)" You may want to re-read it. I dug into a list of what might be possible causes, to help when talking with the women about it. Things he can bounce off the woman or have in the back of his mind, when talking to them.

Where your post was about going after me, and trying to reformat what I typed to make yourself feel better, and not addressing the OP. In fact, I strongly doubt you can address the question of the OP.

How is clarifying misinformation making myself feel better? I get taken on regular dates by charming gentlemen, I don't need to go editing someone's posts to improve myself esteem. If anything, the editing helps when bringing up issues as I removed the clearly insulting parts.

And I did answer OP's question with my own opinion as he did not specifically direct his question towards men.

Even a woman experiencing sexual dysfunction, can only speak about her situation, not for all other women.

Yes, the one does not speak for the many.

True, a medical professional whose job it is to treat such women, is an expert opinion. But guess what? Is he actually trying to put his penis in and is having sex with the women? That's an entirely different perspective.

Sooo... You know better than a specialist who has trained in this for about 10 years? I'm going to have to disagree with you there, unless you happen to be a specialist yourself. By the way, sex doctors have sexlives too!


Lastly, I will leave you with a fun egghead experience I had some years ago. A couple comes to the happening's bar (swinger's bar) that me and a good pal of mine were hanging out. Woman of the couple claims to be a medical doctor. We are drinking wine, then get into some sexual discussions. A polite argument breaks out, where over G-spots. The female doctor claims that's not possible and orgasms come from only the clitoris.

I responded to the woman that it may only be true for her, not other women. She claimed that as a man, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Worse yet, her husband (I assume), backed her up. The most interesting debate went back and forth. She shouting me down with all types of medical literature and authorities on the subject that I don't know.

The dates of my pal and I show up, and the ladies join us at the table. My swinger pal decided on an interesting challenge for 10,000 yen. The pot from all bets in the club went to 40,000 yen (more people involved, but too chicken to bet). I would attempt to give his lady friend, who I had not met yet until today, a G-spot orgasm. My girlfriend gave her approval, so off we all went.

With the doctor studying very intently and closely, I made my pal's girlfriend cum with my hand. Juice flying everywhere. And in fact, her vaginal juice dripping off the doc's face and hair. She begrudgingly, had to admit that I did it, and she had a very different attitude from that point. Not only that, but we gave lessons to her boyfriend.

Reading books about it, and actually experiencing it, are 2 different things. Greatly enjoyed the extra 30,000 yen (10,000 of the 40,000 pot was added by me), that I had won that night.

I'm not sure where you are trying to go with this, besides contradict yourself with regard to the idea that one person does not represent the many.

Now, we have clearly pulled poor OP's thread off course so I suggest we stop here. I honestly don't know what you want me to say, besides that I am "wrong" and you are "right". In the future, if you don't like a post of mine I suggest you ignore it as not to be "bombarded" with my views.
 
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How is clarifying misinformation making myself feel better? I get taken on regular dates by charming gentlemen, I don't need to go editing someone's posts to improve myself esteem. If anything, the editing helps when bringing up issues as I removed the clearly insulting parts.

And I did answer OP's question with my own opinion as he did not specifically direct his question towards men.



Yes, the one does not speak for the many.



Sooo... You know better than a specialist who has trained in this for about 10 years? I'm going to have to disagree with you there, unless you happen to be a specialist yourself. By the way, sex doctors have sexlives too!




I'm not sure where you are trying to go with this, besides contradict yourself with regard to the idea that one person does not represent the many.

Now, we have clearly pulled poor OP's thread off course so I suggest we stop here. I honestly don't know what you want me to say, besides that I am "wrong" and you are "right". In the future, if you don't like a post of mine I suggest you ignore it as not to be "bombarded" with my views.
OK, let's do this a different way. You meet a guy, and you are interested in him.

Over dinner, he tells you that he hasn't had sex in 5 years.

What percentage of women are going to think that is normal and not question him as to what is wrong?
 
OK, let's do this a different way. You meet a guy, and you are interested in him.

Over dinner, he tells you that he hasn't had sex in 5 years.

What percentage of women are going to think that is normal and not question him as to what is wrong?

Please just stop already. This has no relevance to OP's question and unless you have a study about this at hand, neither of us can answer this question. I hope you have made whatever point you wanted to me by now / enjoyed trolling / whatever your goal was. I am no longer going to reply to this thread as it's going nowhere.
 
Why is the word "Japan" in the title of this thread? Is there some reason to think that the sex lives of these women, or lack there of, has anything to do with being Japanese?

-Ww
 
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Does sexlessness have something to do with panic? Is there any evidence that Japanese women are particularly prone to panic? Fwiiw, it is not my experience.

-Ww
 
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