Ueno 中町 - Interesting But Probably Not Worth It

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  1. Hamerare

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    Ueno Naka-machi is an old and infamous red light area accessible from Ueno or Okachimachi stations. The best map I could find was this one of the Hub - the Hub furthest left on the map, actually on 仲町 just after the entrance. The main road running parallel to the north is called Shinobazu, also the name of that Hub branch. Nakamachi has a big curved overhead sign with the kanji written on it so you cant miss it. Follow the groups of salarymen.
    http://www.pub-hub.com/index.php/shop/detail/18
    Easiest way to find it is follow signs to Ueno Keisei Line station and carry str8 on. Or get off at JR Okachimachi and proceed to Don Quixote duscount store on ur right, crossing the road n hanging a left down a narrow side street. That will take you near the far end of the main drag.
    The main drag is full of cheapish chow joints and hostess bars. What's interesting is that most of the hostess bars are Chinese and you will see the girls on the street trying to attract customers. It is possible but unlikely they will stop a westerner though. As you get further down the street you will find Thai hostess bars, there are about 4 now, as well as Philippina bars. The system is pretty much the same everywhere, 4000 yen plus 10% tax (4400 total) for one hour of conversation. That price includes shochu and whiskey but not beer. You can insist on just one free beer when you enter although not guaranteed you will get one.
    I have been in a few of these bars. Most of the foreign girls speak ok Japanese, not sure about English though apart from the Pinays. There is no barfine system and girls are not supposed to go with customers. Being Japan though, some of these joints have a system where you pay the bar quite a lot to take a girl to dinner b4 it opens (called "dohan" 同伴). How stupid is that you may ask, but you will see a lot of it around town. The hot chick with the jurassicko in a suit is probably his 同伴 date. I did it once, cost me about 10,000 and one hour in the bar with the girl after, thought I was on a free d8 but she had tricked me (or assumed that I already knew the system).
    Like hostess bars everywhere, the idea is to get you drunk on cheap spirits so that you waste your money buying drinks for the girl(s). Typicaly the cheapest lady drink is 1000 yen. You are not obliged to buy a drink and if they insist, you can tell them you will meet them after work at the Hub. That should shut them up. Not unusual to see Japanese guys buying bottles of champagne in the hope it will win their way to the girls' heart hehehe. In the hour you are there you will usually speak to 2 girls total 30 minutes each girl who are assigned based on who is next in line, unless you ask for a particular girl (known as "shimei" 指名) which will cost you an extra 2000 yen and you get her for the whole hour UNLESS another dude comes in and does a 指名 with the same girl which happens quite a lot. These girls like to get your mail address so they can send you (and all their other customers) messages to come along on the nites they are working there, they get commission on shimei and drinx. When the hour is up, a waiter will come along and ask you if you want to extend and at this point it is best to bail bcoz the extension hourly r8 is often 1000 yen or more higher than ur 1st hour.
    Hostess bars are much the same all over the world. Waste of money if you are looking for something more than a conversation. Having said that, given a choice between hanging with a buncha middle-aged miserable barstewards in a british theme pub or spending a pleasant couple of hours in a hostess bar talking to sexy young girls with their oppai bursting outta their lounge dresses, its a non-brainer for me. These girls like to make a guy feel special so that you spend loads of dosh on her. The bars love it when guys get infatu8d with a particular girl and keep going back. I feel sorry for some of the J-guyz I see in these joints who don't always look like they can afford it.
    Can you meet a girl when she finishes work or when she is not working, I can hear people asking. Depends on the girl I guess. That's y the J-guys keep going back. The non-Chinese foreign girls are all legal residents, either married or divorced to Japanese or with family visas bcoz of having a relative married to one. Most have daytime jobs as well as the evening gigs so are raking it in and dont need to do extramurals. The Chinese girls are often uni or Japanese language students. I think Taiwanese can come over on working holiday visas now, same for Koreans. If you happen to hit on a foreign girl who just got divorced from a J-guy, ur chances are considerable higher.
    Enuf then about the hostess bars. As you proceed down the main drag you will see lanes leading off to your left with pink salons or "image" salons in the distance. Pretty much all are gaijin friendly but after trying 3 of them, my advice is STAY AWAY!!! You may pay about 6000 or more and regret it. Scams abound (aggressive woman asking for more money once you are inside and threatening to run off with your shoes if you don't pay them) and/or 50 year old fugly hags wearing school girl uniforms. The stuff nitemares are made of. No point mentioning names of bars as if I could remember n e way, but these shite joints are always changing name and reopening with the same staff as something new. No way can any of them possibly get repeat customers.
    By the time you get towards the end of the main drag you should have been approached by Chinese male or female touts offering "sex" or the Japanese word "honban 本番” for 10,000 yen for a 30 minutes session.
    Until 2 years ago, you'd be taken to what looked like a normal hostess bar but was a knocking shop and all the girls would line up and you could choose one and they were all young, sexy and pretty Chinese or Taiwanese. Then the joint got busted and now the system and venue has changed. What will happen is that the tout will lead you into an empty room in a building and show you a foto album. Girls all early 20s and very attractive (in the fotos). So you choose a girl and pay the dude 10,000 in advance, who will suggest you pay more for a longer session which you will refuse.
    You will then be led nearby into an empty apartment block where a shutter will be pulled up and you will find yourself in a room with about 6 curtained off massage beds. A girl will appear who will be in her 30s and not look anything like the one in the foto. So you complain and will be shown another girl, who may not be any better. Dont bother asking for your money back. You could I guess try and take a foto of the foto of the girl b4 you go to the knocking shop but you will already have parted company with 10,000 by the time you get there.
    They make you take a shower first, but give you a plastic container to put your valuables in which you can bring into the shower. Service will be a domed BJ then the girl will climb on top of you. She won't let you kiss her but you should be able to suck on a tit. As soon as you have shot ur load u will take another shower and be out. This is what most of us would call shite service. To make matters worse, when you are about to get down to business on the one girl, another girl may appear uninvited and suggest a threesome. Get rid of her.
    Is it worth 10,000 yen? Up to you. I have done it 2ce but never again unless I can see the girl first in personal.
    If you are studying Japanese, Chinese, Thai or Tagalog, then Nakamachi is a good place to go. You will pay about the same as a 1:1 private lesson but have a lot more fun. Otherwise I cant think of a single reason to go there.
     
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    Well, thanks for the report..Confirms anything I had sort of figured out, so never went into one of those bars.
    If you happen to be in this area, and needs your nuts to be cracked, go to either NewYork New York, or Champs, , known as "the soaplands of the poor man"!
    Gaijin friendly places where, for 9600 Y all included, you get an hour of service, ususally including BBj and sumata. Beware, though, that some of the providers may be in their 50's, but if you nicely and politely asks for a young one, you may get one . In any case, you would not go here for meeting a beautiful hot young Japanese girl, but rather for excellent service by Japanese MILFs. In addition, you can get an hour of free Japanese conversation classs included...
     
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    "If you are studying Japanese, Chinese, Thai or Tagalog, then Nakamachi is a good place to go. You will pay about the same as a 1:1 private lesson but have a lot more fun. Otherwise I cant think of a single reason to go there."

    Brilliant.

    A long time ago I went to suburban Filipino hostess bars regularly and hooked up with several. Many of them are married with fake Japanese husbands, and/or supporting families back home but many are seriously looking for a "white pappa" to get them out of hostessing, Philipines, and Japan (Badoo is full of Filppas). It can be diffiult knowing how honest they are being with you, but if they tell you all the nasty tricks they play on their customers you'll know they're honest; but at the same time will be turned off by the scams.
     
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    Seems like a good moment 2 revive this thread since I was there on the prowl yesterday. As I said b4, an interesting area and very gaijin friendly, probably bcoz so many gaijin women work there (Chinese/Taiwanese/Thai/ Pinay) but I dont suggest u go there in the afternoon as I did. Apart from myself, had about 10 touts 4 company, and unlike the idiots in Kabukicho who work for themselves, these guys are well organised and work as a team - 30 bux and a nut says they are yakusa. Their "scam" is to take u to a fashion health which "normally costs 15,000" but u get offered a special price of 5000-7000. There are a few of these places down the sidestreets off the main drag, but pretty much all part of the same operation. On the wall are fotos of cute girls. When u try 2 ask 4 a particular one, u r told they are "already with a customer" or "not at work yet" so u take a chance and the woman who appears is a disgusting and aggressive fugly monster. If u go out front 2 ask 4 ur money back, there is no sign of the guy who took ur money. So u end up wiv a crap HJ while she tries 2 sell u additional services :mad: Be warned.

    The famous place in the area was reviewed here

    http://www.tokyoadultguide.com/threads/hayami-new-york-new-york.7180/#post-19240

    New York New York is known as the "poor mans soapland" although it is not a real soapland bcoz only BBBJ is offered for a price of 9800. All women are 熟女 which means over 40, not every 1's cup of tea.

    The number of Thai hostess bars has increased since I was last there, 4000/5000 for 1 hour of chat and nothing else. Most have been in Japan a while and speak Japanese.

    I will be back next month of an evening and try some of the pinkies which have been there a while. If a place does not have a website, u can assume it is part of the scam operation. These places both look interesting and reliable, but dont know yet if whities can get in

    www.ueno-idoling.jp
    www.ueno-cherrygirl.com

    A bro here asked about oppai bars in Ueno - there are 3 but again, havent tried to get in yet

    www.splash-m.com
    www.ueno-vuitton.com
    www.deepangel.jp

    Intend to get to the bottom of all this soon :cool::p:love:
     
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    Thanks for the intel. Feel free to post individual reviews for the girls you see.
     
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    @AKB I went to Splash Mountain years ago. It used to be Gaijin friendly but I speak Japanese really well. Shibuya pubs are really set with what you could do but this place some of the ladies did whatever they felt like if the techno wasn't looking. There are some pubs with women that really regret being there but this isn't one of them.
     
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    Last nite, had the pleasure of the company of the legendary John Chavers and MossBoss for the 2nd informal Mongers Nite Out :cool: Needless 2 say it was a cosmic gig :D

    Nothing in Ueno really gets going till after 8 PM so we had time 2 hook up and go 4 yakitori n exchange notes and decide upon a plan of action, preferably involving all 3 of us together at the same time in the same joint.

    Started off by trying to get in2 the oppai bar Splash Mountain as posted above, but it is no longer gaijin friendly. Same with the basement joint in the same building, so we returned 2 the Nakamachi bar street and went in2 an info office 無料案内所 . We were well received and it helped that John was dressed as if at the 2nikai for his own wedding. The info dude made a phone call for us to PANDORA an oppai bar in the same building, and we were given the green lite since we all speak Japanese ok. We chose the 50 minute 7000 yen option which got us 3 different girls. We had 2 wait 15 minutes 2 get in during which time we were served with the drinx of r choice. Its hit and miss as to which girl you are assigned but there were some seriosly hot chix. John drew the short straw and got the fugliest in the house 2 kick off with, MossBoss was the lucky man and got three 7+s. I got a mixed bag, the 2nd was the prima donna who refused to get her oppai out or snog unless paid the extra 2500 shimei designation charge so had 2 let her run. Girl #3 was a newbie and I was her 1st customer, she had soft but huge oppai and enjoyed the interaction as much as I did, at least thats what she said :cautious: We could easily a stayed all nite there but MossBoss had 2 bail :(

    So went 4 a stroll and after spotting a cute Chinese hostess on the street, negoti8d 4000 for an hour and she took us inside her bar called Club Fairy. There were about 8 girls and pretty much all model quality, solid 8/9s and John made up 4 his bad luck in the oppai bar. They even let us take fotos which is unusual 4 a hostess bar. Ladys drinx were 1900 each and the fact I bought 2 means the girls musta been seriosly hot (n)

    John had 2 bail after but I calcul8d I still had time 4 one more set somewhere and let a pinay girl take me to club Moondust for 3300 including the 10% tax that always gets added on. The pinay was quite sexy n divorced from a Japanese, these kinda single moms r always well disposed 2 whities (y)

    On the way back 2 Ueno station, was solicited by another hot Chinese xiaojie on the street - FS for 10,000, 30 minutes :sneaky::sneaky::sneaky: the choice was taking the option and missing the last train, or being sensible 4 a change. This FS joint is in a building full of bars and has showers and curtained off booths. About 8 girls age about 20-25 and attractive, whats more, they line up 4 u so none of this choosing from a foto bait-and-switch shite. House rules r no kissing n touching in sensitive places :dead:

    I got home with a new Line contact but dont got n e idea which girl it was :bucktooth::ROFLMAO:

    I'll b back :cool::cool::cool:
     
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  8. John Chavers

    John Chavers By Jove, you couldn't make this shit up

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    Lol, I felt completely overdressed until we got to Club Fairy. :smuggrin:

    Don't forget to mention that you negotiated quite well with the girl in Chinese. I left Ueno thinking you might be an ex intelligence asset. :blackalien:
     
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    hehehe I think we should continue this chat about what a gr8 tme we had and pat each other on the backs 2 really rile the other dudes who were invited but did not reply :D:D:D

    but fair enough, each 2 his own :shame:
     
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    <wasn't invited......and that's my hood.....
     
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    I personally think oppai pubs are better than strip clubs & the reason why there's no real need for strip clubs in Japan.
     
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    I will add my comments with regard to the aforementioned 'Monger's Night Out'. AKB69 and John Chavers are veteran mongers so they know how to navigate the scene and are aware of potential pitfalls so they serve as good guides. Ueno itself has a very vibrant night scene but there are a few dodgy people around so be careful if you venture down this way.

    The Pandora Oppai has a good vibe. It looks quite new and cleanish. The male staff are well-turned out in suits and are polite to customers. All the girls in the club look well presented with nice; hair, make-up and nails. And sexy dresses.

    All 3 of my gals were decent. The second one politely asked me to continue with her for another round but that would have resulted in a shimei nomination charge so I didn't take her up on her offer. There were perhaps a dozen girls in the bar so I wanted to try one of the others. I guess they have a certain pressure to get nominations and lady drinks. Perhaps that is why one of AKB69's girls wasn't so cooperative. Anyway my third gal resembled Hitomi Kitagawa in terms of; face, hair, body and breasts. I guess it would be extremely difficult for most foreigners to get full service from a gal like that so an Oppai Bar provides a reasonable booby prize - pardon the pun.

    In terms of action the gals aren't shy about whipping out their lovely breasts and they all jump up and straddle you when the lights dim near the end of your time together. After some subtle or not so subtle comments they will give you a panty shot or lightly touch your snake too.

    I saw a pic of the Chinese ladies and I can confirm that they look delicious.

     
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    Below is a pic of Hitomi Kitagawa.
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    This was obviously 天罰 for my ribbing Moss about his fat fetish. :D
     
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    John,
    Your lady with the fuller figure was tons better than the corn fed lady I was trying to pimp out. She had a decent rack of lamb from what I saw.
     
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    John Chavers By Jove, you couldn't make this shit up

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    Literally. She wouldn't get off me until I gave her my number. :blackeye:
     
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    John Chavers By Jove, you couldn't make this shit up

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    Just caught this. There's a definite correlation between TAG reviews followed by subsequent 外人ダメ results. Best to keep the good places to private conversations and off the public sections of the board.
     
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    The whole point is to share. By you giving places, you learn about places from other people.

    And if a place doesn't like foreigners, that often has more to do with the bias of the owners and staff, than it does with some foreigners coming there.
     
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    That's why I joined and posted reviews. I don't think anyone has posted more reviews than you. (y)

    Solong, you've been here long enough to know that just ain't so. Collective punishment, right or wrong, is used in all walks of life in Japan.

    I have a few favorites down my way that I'd never share with the Gaijin Smash! crowd. They need to learn how to play nicely on their own, or stick to (as Meiji puts it) "agencies that target foreigners and charge higher prices."
     
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    We're not all that worried. I don't think most of us are interested in the places you seek out
     
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    Thought about it- But where would you get your ghetto wisdom?

     
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    @ John Chavers

    My experiences is that many places that are bias or prejudice, make up FAKE stories about foreigners to justify their discrimination.

    I think far more stories are fake, than they are true in regards to foreigners going Viking and raping, robbing, and pillaging.

    And when the occasional knucklehead head does go overboard, often a lot more is made out of it for political purposes, than it's true affect on the community.

    Been to plenty of Japanese clubs and watched fights, drugs, and all kinds of issues occur among Japanese only.

    That a Japanese tourist in California has a fight in a bar, we don't ban ALL Japanese from entering.

    It's the individual, Japanese or foreigner, that should be punished for fucking up. If we are being any kind of fair, logical, and not prejudiced.
     
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    They're more like legends than completely fake, although I did have the wonderful experience of having a drunk asshat tell the mama at my favorite snack "why are you letting foreigners in here? don't do that" right in front of me. He got the boot, I stayed until closing. (y)

    TIJ.

    C'mon, you're reaching for what should be, not the ugly reality that we have here.
     
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    I'll be waiting for your blow by blow report when you claim your freebie. Actually I heard of a guy who gave an Oppai Bar lady the phone number of his wife instead his own number. Don't be that guy!:hungry:
     
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