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  1. User#3673

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    Those of you who have experienced or are members of Universe Club, does it have Japanese women as well as foreign women? Or just Japanese women?

    I love Japanese women, but also enjoy a variety of women if possible. I read again with interest the reviews and comments of this club and have often wondered about joining. That thread is now closed, so I have opened this new one.
     
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    Mainly Japanese, with a few non-Japanese. And 'mainly' would be 99 out of 100.
     
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    Thanks Serenity Now! I just got a reply from Universe Club and they say they have about 1000 women members and 5-10% are foreign women and many of the Japanese women are English speakers.
    I speak Japanese but it is nice to know there are English speakers there too.
     
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    Not a review - Moved to Q&A. Carry on.
     
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    Sorry to bump a (slightly) old thread, but I have a few related questions.
    I'm a 22 year old university student from the US who will be in Tokyo for 13 months beginning in late August. I've looked into joining UC as I've got a little bit of experience with this sort of thing, but I was wondering how me being a foreigner would affect my appeal. My Japanese is decent but not amazing (I plan on taking the N2 this December and can hold a solid conversation), so I'm a little worried this will put off potential dates with less than stellar English. I've also heard that Japanese men are less likely to go after foreign women, but I've heard this in the context of serious relationships/marriage. Does it hold true for this sort of thing as well, though?

    Finally, for those who are members or who have been members of UC in the past: is part of the appeal for you the chance of being with a Japanese woman?
     
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    My Japanese is not good, well below N2, and it was no issue for UC dates.

    I dated a couple of girls who spoke very little English and they went OK. I think with N2 you should have no problems.

    For me the appeal of UC was based entirely on dating cute Japanese girls. While some non-Japanese girls were available I never set up a date with any. But from what I knew the non-Japanese girls were popular with the Japanese UC members.

    SN...
     
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    I'm not a member, but from what I've read UC for the most part is for guys who are married that want a regular sugar baby sort of thing. This is generally favorable for guys who are already married/long term relationship, and don't want to do straight P4P and don't have the time/interest/game for going to bars to pick up women.

    As a 22 year old, you have a FAR better chance of finding women, even Japanese women, your own age to play with, and I'm assuming as a university student you might not have the extra yen to spend on a sugar baby. Between the UC fee, dinner, love hotel, and what you give the girl, the initial payout can be 5 or 6 man.

    It really sort of depends on what exactly you are looking for, what your situation is, and what you can afford. I think in any case as a foreigner finding really gorgeous young Japanese women for P4P or sugar baby action is going to be more difficult as a foreigner, but not impossible.
     
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    meiji: kokoro is a 22 year old foreign woman who is thinking of signing up as a sugar baby.
     
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    I agree with many parts, but there are things new guys should be aware of:

    1) A lot of Japanese women are into prostitution.

    Enjo Kousai (compensated dating) has EXPLODED via the Internet. It's taken a different form than many people know, but a huge percentage of Japanese women between 16 to 30 (or are unmarried) are doing part time to full time prostitution.

    2) Because so many Japanese guys are buying women, having plain conversations with women or pickup is unusual for many Japanese women.

    And the few instances of pickup (Nampa) is given a bad reputation due to host club guys trying to hustle women into their bars for money or porn recruiters. So to many Japanese women, talking to a guy outside their college or work is shocking, unusual, and fearful. Many Japanese women are often living in a bubble world.

    3) If a guy is going to do direct pickup of women in Japan, he will need to be unusually good looking, very fashionable, or highly skilled and fearless at approaching women.

    This is because talking to Japanese women, contrary to all the false hype and propaganda, is more difficult than other places.

    Many Japanese women will straight out lie and be fake. You can have a great talk, get her contact info, then she will never reply or talk to you again. Worse, then these Japanese women will insult the guy on Facebook or other Japanese media among her girlfriends.

    And these types of tricks and games are encouraged by xenophobic and anti-male groups. Because, if she wants money and sex, such women can often be secretly prostituting themselves. And a husband is just another level of prostituting herself, so she can stay home and just get benefits and play princess.

    You can pickup, just be prepared for it to be tough and ruthless in many cases.

    4) Young guys should be careful about wasting their money on Japanese female prostitutes. Those women are usually no good anyway.

    Consider using that money for investing in a business. ;-) But with that typed, to each his own. So have fun how you see fit.
     
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    Based on what I know, I think that kokoro will have plenty of date offers from the Japanese members of UC.

    With respect to the non-Japanese members I can only speak for myself, and the attraction was definitely the chance to date Japanese girls.

    SN...
     
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    Ahh, okay. I guess I should pay closer attention. :)

    I'm wondering about the legality of the UC stuff, especially vis-a-vis a foreigner being registered with that agency. I know those sorts of kousai dates are not illegal under Japanese law, but foreigners aren't allowed to work in/for adult oriented establishments (even regular bars) unless they have permanent residency. I'd just be careful about it.
     
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    @meiji

    Sometimes foreign women come to the Date Cafes like Kirari. They do well.

    I think UC and Date Cafes sidestep such rules because the women are not working directly for the company.

    The women are considered members and whatever they negotiate with other members, is considered to have nothing to do with the company.

    It's too much of a moving target and parsing of language to be bothered with since:

    1) Each woman is independent.

    They would likely have to prove otherwise, by viewing contracts.

    2) Interactions are random

    Can't predict what will or will not happen.

    3) Nothing sexual is promised

    4) Nothing happens at the business or establishment itself.
     
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    I apologize if my post wasn't clear.
    I am planning on signing up as a sugar baby and am not looking to get one myself. W/r/t legality, much like Solong stated, since UC seems to operate more like a dating service than an escort agency (and a rather detached dating service at that), I didn't think it would be problem. If it is, I assume they wouldn't allow me to join.
    Thanks for the responses so far, everyone.
     
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    That protects UC and the date cafes, but probably not the girls that work there. I'm just pointing out a potential hiccup that you may want to look into if you care about keeping your visa status legitimate.
     
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    Howdy

    I joined UC as a member a few months ago and felt like I should give people more insight about this club.

    The staff (one guy) has been willing to share the in's & out's about the club/women and is a very honest guy.
    Any other members think that as well or is he usually discreet?

    Anyway, what Solong was going on about:
    It is nearly impossible to get a innocent girl off the streets even if you are handsome or rich.
    Most Japanese girls need money but security always comes first and escort services are becoming normal now-a-days.
    All you got to do is ask about a certain girl, ask for more details than whats written and the staff should be happy to tell you everything.

    If you got a question about UC let me know and maybe I can introduce you so we both can get a free date. ;-P
     
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    @Terry @Serenity

    Good points. I'm mostly from the directly talking to women and the pickup school of thought, and Japanese women seem way too much in a bubble world or set robot-like programming.

    Doing anything different or interacting with anybody outside their usual circle often freaks them out and scares them. Definitely, many Japanese women are timid and fearful, so need unusually high security, reassurances, and garanntees.

    When you stranger approach many Japanese women, you can get extremely weird and unusual reactions. From shaking in fear (though trying to hide it), hysteria, unusually extreme arrogance (we Japanese are better than your nationality), to very fake friendly (and never talking again after the 1st meeting). In studying it, Japanese women seem to think the most negative about a situation or person, UNLESS told to think otherwise (group think).

    Example- unless you are introduced by a 3rd party as being a business executive or have the verbal skills to convince her of this very quickly, a Japanese woman will can possibly think the stranger/foreigner a con-artist, criminal, rapist, bum, or whatever crazy negative and fearful media image comes to her mind.

    For foreign men, talking to many Japanese women directly, requires to be absolutely fearless about rejection and willingness to talk to lots of women and go through bad experiences to find good ones.

    For guys that don't want to deal with the hassle, combined with the excessive timidness and weirdness that many Japanese women do, UC and Date Cafes can be an answer. You still get a date experience type vibe, but are more clear about where the interaction is going.

    However, at the end of the day, UC and Date Cafes are a simulation of the real thing. It's a date-like experience and girlfriend-like experience, but not the real thing. There often isn't a true romantic connection, because it's often all about your money for her. As with so many things in life, it's plus and minus.
     
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    This thread confuses me a bit. When directly is said what does this mean? Nanpa ? Cause if so there are many schools of thought on that. Being from that school my self. Some of these posts make it seem like meeting a woman off the street is as are as a unicorn with gold for blood.

    I hope this is not being taken as critical, it's just something I noticed. I think words like 'a majority' or most should be used instead of all. Heck, if people could quote some stats that would be great.
     
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    Do I need to be rich to use UC service?

    How much money do the women expect?
     
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    Depends on the level. An average japanese woman maybe 40.000.
    UC will usually give some kind of hint about what the lady expects.
     
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    Thank you very much.

    I mean not only for one time. If want to meet regularly. Is there a monthly payment?

    Is there any chance to find Friends with Benefits? A person who is not looking only for money.

    Because if it is about money, I don't need to pay for registration to UC. I just need to go to Shibuya. There are some women in the street. I am not looking for this type (prostitution).
     
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    Example: (Standard Plan)
    Joining Fee: 30,000 Yen
    Annual (Yearly) Fee: 20,000 Yen
    Setting Fee: 20,000 Yen

    (Member info source: http://universe-club.jp/en/men/member.html)

    So, you would pay at least 30,000 yen to access the "Standard" ladies group (optional levels are Gold, Platinum and Black) and your setting rate is 20,000 per meeting.

    You select a girl > pay 20,000 for setting > go on date > everything else is up to you and the girl you meet. (She may ask for more; it's up to her...)

    There are people here at TAG that have used this club that add comments to this as actual members.
     
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    Been a long time since I was a member.

    The girls compensation would range from Y10,000 to Y70,000 depending on her membership level and expectations. If I had to define 'typical' for a date with dinner and hotel, in the Y40,000 range, plus dinner and LH.

    As far as I know the compensation system is not so clearly defined these days.

    The advantage was repeat dates with someone you clicked with. Otherwise the setting fees make it expensive, especially with Gold or Platinum level girls.
     
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    It's sugar dating. All girls will expect something different (the same pay every time, monthly allowance, fancy dates and shopping trips).
    But the women expect to meet rich men. It's not for free friends with benefits..

    I remember how i felt, my first week in Japan, when i was scouted for Universe Club. I went to the office and they told me "rich men are wanting to meet you" or something cheesy. Of course they ask a lot of girls and some girls never even get a date, but i was young and naive and it felt so glamourous and cool!
     
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    With exceptions no doubt, it is not much like either FWB or classical prostitution/escort experiences but somewhere in a complex middle ground in between. As @User#8628 mentions, it is basically sugar dating, and there is a whole TAG forum dedicated to that if the concept/"system" isn't familiar to you. It would be very rare to find what UC offers on the streets of Shibuya (or on the street anywhere), but you can definitely find such situations via the SeekingArrangement (SA) website at considerably lower cost in money and considerably higher cost in terms of your time and effort. Sugar dating in general can lead to a really wide range of types of relationships, including conventional romantic ones occasionally.

    -Ww
     
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    I'm closing this thread - people keep bumping it back with irrelevant questions.
     
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