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[TheScientist]

Why? Why is it not ridiculous to consider a trans woman obligated to answer the question even when no one asks because some people want to know the answer?

-Ww

If nothing else because most women born with what a man expects a woman to have in terms of physiology are highly likely to find that question more than a bit offensive.

 

[Wwanderer]

If nothing else because most women born with what a man expects a woman to have in terms of physiology are highly likely to find that question more than a bit offensive.

And that is more important than what you called the "human condition" points which you said you respected in a previous post and the privacy rights of trans women?

In any case, if the question were asked routinely, I think cis women would soon stop being offended, especially cis sex workers who are frequently asked and told all sorts of extremely insulting and offensive things by customers.

-Ww

 

[DireWolf98]

@Wwanderer – the person raving on the street corner was a case of me reducing to the absurd. At no time did I sense any insults or aspersions from your comments

Indeed, some TS women list themselves in both the TS section and the general listings (using different street names) in order to access both groups of potential clients.

It is an opinion of others and myself that those TS women should not list themselves in both sections under different names. It is dishonest.

I do not know if BP or escort listing websites ask or requite trans women to list themselves only in these specialized sections. Do you?

I don’t know.

I doubt if Backpage or other sites have such a requirement; they probably don’t have that capability. With all due respect, as I am not an escort, I am not familiar with their vetting processes.

But even more strongly I believe that it is completely unfair to put the WHOLE BURDEN on the privacy rights of the trans woman by considering it her obligated not only to reveal her medical history to her customers but in fact to broadcast it to the world by publicizing it in her ads and websites and such. If that is your solution, why do you feel that is fair for YOU TO GIVE NOTHING and HER TO GIVE ALL in the trade-off between her privacy rights and your sexual preferences/tastes?

First, I don’t think it’s unfair. I think it’s completely fair for someone in this business to reveal their status.

There might not be a resolution of these two polar opposite viewpoints.

IMO, if someone in this situation feels uncomfortable with that level of disclosure, then they might want to consider a different vocation.

If these situations of deception continue, they could trigger a number of negative reactions. Aside from angry reviews, some hobbyists could adopt stronger responses such as denial of service attacks, etc.

Second, related to the point above, it is the seller, the provider of services, who should simply be transparent in this one aspect of marketing.

I think you are exaggerating (perhaps reducing to the absurd), that the TS providers have to provide “all.” I am not asking for that person’s real name, address, alma mater, credit history, religious beliefs or political leanings. I simply want providers to reveal the fact that they are a TS, if that is the case.

 

[DireWolf98]

And that is more important than what you called the "human condition" points which you said you respected in a previous post and the privacy rights of trans women?

In any case, if the question were asked routinely, I think cis women would soon stop being offended, especially cis sex workers who are frequently asked and told all sorts of extremely insulting and offensive things by customers.

-Ww

First, asking that question might be like the tail wagging the dog - unnecessary screening of a large pool of people because a tiny minority is choosing to be secretive at best and dishonest at worst.

Second, in my case, I am a lover and not a fighter. I try to not ask questions that are insulting and offensive.

 

[John Chavers]

Actually there is massive evidence that elective sex-reassignment does radically improve the quality of life for a trans woman.

Elective being the key word here.

Let me try another analogy

Please, no more analogies: you're incredibly bad at it.

 

[DireWolf98]

My friends, as I said before, there might not be a resolution of these two polar opposite viewpoints. IMO,this goes beyond a Grateful Dead-versus-Allman Brothers debate. I am willing to step away before passions run too hot.

 

[Wwanderer]

If these situations of deception continue, they could trigger a number of negative reactions. Aside from angry reviews, some hobbyists could adopt stronger responses such as denial of service attacks, etc.

Tragically, the reality is far worse than the possibilities you mention. Trans sex workers are victims of violence, including murder, at truly shocking rates, much higher than those for other sex workers (in the US at least). It is widely believed and seems plausible that much of this violence is motivated by the rage some of their customers experience when they recognize that they have been intimate with a trans sex worker. A trans sex worker I know once said to me, "They kill us because they fear we will not keep their secrets."

This, fwiiw, is a strong *practical* (as opposed to theoretical ethical or "rights") argument for your point of view imo, that a trans sex worker should disclose her medical history to customers, i.e., not out of any obligation to the customer but rather for her own safety. Little of this discussion has been based in the "real world", but if a trans sex worker wanted my advice, I would urge her to disclose for this sad and unfortunate reason.

But as long as we are considering practical realities, mongers who abhor the idea of being with a trans woman should probably face the facts that the number of trans women is increasing and that it is becoming increasingly difficult to distinguish them from cis women, even when "close-up and personal", especially if they undergo HRT starting at the onset of puberty. Although I know neither child directly, I have present personal knowledge of two girls whose parents are allowing (in one case) or are going to allow (in the other) their children to have HRT starting from puberty. It is unlikely that you will be able to distinguish these girls from cis women when they have matured into adult ladies without a careful medical examination, as @Sudsy noted in another thread. My point here is that however unreasonable you may think it is to have to ask providers you see about this matter, like it or not, that may increasingly be your only practical option to avoid trans sex workers in the future (and it is not foolproof of course; people can lie).

I think you are exaggerating (perhaps reducing to the absurd), that the TS providers have to provide “all.” I am not asking for that person’s real name, address, alma mater, credit history, religious beliefs or political leanings. I simply want providers to reveal the fact that they are a TS, if that is the case.

Just a clarification here: I was insufficiently precise in what I wrote. I did not mean "all" in the sense that you read it, as in "all privacy rights", but rather just that on the trans vs cis issue alone your view is that the responsibility should all be hers, she should give up all of her privacy in this matter and broadcast her trans status to all potential customers, vs putting some of the responsibility on them (to ask or whatever). We still disagree of course, but that is what I had intended to say.

-Ww

 

[Wwanderer]

Please, no more analogies: you're incredibly bad at it.

However poor my analogies may be, they are more persuasive than entirely unsupported and unexplained statements of mere opinion! [Note the !]

But since you said "please"...

-Ww

 

[Wwanderer]

My friends, as I said before, there might not be a resolution of these two polar opposite viewpoints. IMO,this goes beyond a Grateful Dead-versus-Allman Brothers debate. I am willing to step away before passions run too hot.

Agreed, and I will stop here, closing with just one more suggestion that those interested in the topic also read the thread I've linked twice above.

-Ww

 

[Durg50]

She had nice fake tits and i enjoyed banging her.

There, we are now back on topic

 

[TAG Manager]

She had nice fake tits and i enjoyed banging her.

There, we are now back on topic

Hey, at least I didn't see a bathroom debate in there... thread closed.